From Viper to Maxima
10-28-2002, 06:43 PM
#41
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tisk Tisk Tisk
Originally posted by SkylineGTR
I hope u realize a stock GTR, would get swallowed whole by a Viper.
I hope u realize a stock GTR, would get swallowed whole by a Viper.
10-28-2002, 07:25 PM
#43
Re: Tisk Tisk Tisk
Originally posted by CaLSoNiC
Maxima lovers with a Viper as their dream car? Not saying its a bad car, Id take one. IMO if its going to be a DREAM car, and a Nissan lover, why not dream, jizz, wet, ect yourslef over a lovely Bay Side Blue R34? HUH? Yeah, Skyline > Viper.
Maxima lovers with a Viper as their dream car? Not saying its a bad car, Id take one. IMO if its going to be a DREAM car, and a Nissan lover, why not dream, jizz, wet, ect yourslef over a lovely Bay Side Blue R34? HUH? Yeah, Skyline > Viper.
10-28-2002, 07:49 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tisk Tisk Tisk
Originally posted by venompwr2
Or if you really want to play fair...slap a turbo or supercharger on the viper or give it AWD and then see's who'll be swallowed
Or if you really want to play fair...slap a turbo or supercharger on the viper or give it AWD and then see's who'll be swallowed
10-28-2002, 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by 96BLUMAX
What version of the viper do you have?
What version of the viper do you have?
10-29-2002, 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by 96BLUMAX
Since the skyline and viper cost arount the same, i think i would probably go with the skyline because its nissan, rare and probably more suseptable to modification.
Since the skyline and viper cost arount the same, i think i would probably go with the skyline because its nissan, rare and probably more suseptable to modification.
10-29-2002, 08:42 AM
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I'm not sure I even want to get involved in a Viper vs. Skyline discussion. This is a Nissan forum afterall Skylines are nice cars, but no matter how you slice it, I am much more likely to get my butt spanked by a modded Maxima than a Skyline. Those who are getting into the 350FWHP range are strong enough to give a Gen 1 Viper a bad time and throw a scare into a Gen 2 like I have, at least in a typical street race. Gen 2's typically put down about 400-415RWHP stock. The new Gen 3 puts down about 450RWHP and is rated at 500HP at the motor and 525TQ
96BLUMAX, it's a '01 GTS. For anyone interested in the specs on this car, I have some on my website at http://www.reefcorner.com/Viper/viper_specs.htm
The main problem with the Viper is that they are very expensive to modify since there is no volume to drive the aftermarket. Most performance parts are limited to a few specialists who charge a premium. For the rich folk (which unfortunately does not include me), the sky is pretty much the limit on power. Currently it is easy to put down about 700RWHP to the ground on pump gas in a daily driver which drives like stock. Some are running in the 800-900RWHP range which is around 1000HP at the motor, usually with a race fuel cell to supply some extra octane. One or two superchargers and NO2 are the preferred power adders though a few are doing dual turbos. A new dual turbo setup put down a little over 1000RWHP to the ground a few weeks ago. Those kind of numbers are mostly for bragging rights since it is almost impossible to put that kind of power to the ground in these cars. The upper limit without a power adder is around 700RWHP.
Just last month, the 1st DIY supercharger kit finally became available at a somewhat reasonable price, so a lot more Vipers are going to be running around under pressure. I'm gonna have to start saving my pennies
--- Ken
Skylines are nice cars, but no matter how you slice it, I am much more likely to get my butt spanked by a modded Maxima than a Skyline. Those who are getting into the 350FWHP range are strong enough to give a Gen 1 Viper a bad time and throw a scare into a Gen 2 like I have, at least in a typical street race. Gen 2's typically put down about 400-415RWHP stock. The new Gen 3 puts down about 450RWHP and is rated at 500HP at the motor and 525TQ96BLUMAX, it's a '01 GTS. For anyone interested in the specs on this car, I have some on my website at http://www.reefcorner.com/Viper/viper_specs.htm
The main problem with the Viper is that they are very expensive to modify since there is no volume to drive the aftermarket. Most performance parts are limited to a few specialists who charge a premium. For the rich folk (which unfortunately does not include me), the sky is pretty much the limit on power. Currently it is easy to put down about 700RWHP to the ground on pump gas in a daily driver which drives like stock. Some are running in the 800-900RWHP range which is around 1000HP at the motor, usually with a race fuel cell to supply some extra octane. One or two superchargers and NO2 are the preferred power adders though a few are doing dual turbos. A new dual turbo setup put down a little over 1000RWHP to the ground a few weeks ago. Those kind of numbers are mostly for bragging rights since it is almost impossible to put that kind of power to the ground in these cars. The upper limit without a power adder is around 700RWHP.
Just last month, the 1st DIY supercharger kit finally became available at a somewhat reasonable price, so a lot more Vipers are going to be running around under pressure. I'm gonna have to start saving my pennies
--- Ken
10-29-2002, 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by KenH
I'm not sure I even want to get involved in a Viper vs. Skyline discussion. This is a Nissan forum afterall Skylines are nice cars, but no matter how you slice it, I am much more likely to get my butt spanked by a modded Maxima than a Skyline. Those who are getting into the 350FWHP range are strong enough to give a Gen 1 Viper a bad time and throw a scare into a Gen 2 like I have, at least in a typical street race.
I'm not sure I even want to get involved in a Viper vs. Skyline discussion. This is a Nissan forum afterall
Skylines are nice cars, but no matter how you slice it, I am much more likely to get my butt spanked by a modded Maxima than a Skyline. Those who are getting into the 350FWHP range are strong enough to give a Gen 1 Viper a bad time and throw a scare into a Gen 2 like I have, at least in a typical street race.
10-29-2002, 12:27 PM
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SkylineGTR,
I don't think anyone has done a single turbo. It would have to be huge to feed 8L and the boost lag would be incredible I'm sure. There are both single and dual supercharger setups. The single SC setups are generally used on the lower HP setups while the high HP setups I have seen typically use two SC's.
SuDZ,
A Viper is very hard to launch well because of all the torque. You can look like a god or an idiot just trying to get off the line in one. That's were I miss my VR4 TT with AWD and sticky 245 tires all the way around. Launching just required that you dumped the clutch at somewhere around 3000-5000RPM and hang on. In the Viper, there is a fine line between bogging it off the line and going up in tire smoke.
If you decide to go up against one, try to do it from a dead stop. Good chance you'll get em off the line for at least a short distance because there is about a 50% chance he'll blow the launch and even higher if I'm drivingd. Once he hooks up though, the writing will be on the wall, so shut down quick and claim your victory! The Viper is really built for road racing, so it is the high speed and cornering stuff that it really excels at.
If anyone is around the Portland OR area, we should hook for a ride.
--- Ken
I don't think anyone has done a single turbo. It would have to be huge to feed 8L and the boost lag would be incredible I'm sure. There are both single and dual supercharger setups. The single SC setups are generally used on the lower HP setups while the high HP setups I have seen typically use two SC's.
SuDZ,
A Viper is very hard to launch well because of all the torque. You can look like a god or an idiot just trying to get off the line in one. That's were I miss my VR4 TT with AWD and sticky 245 tires all the way around. Launching just required that you dumped the clutch at somewhere around 3000-5000RPM and hang on. In the Viper, there is a fine line between bogging it off the line and going up in tire smoke.
If you decide to go up against one, try to do it from a dead stop. Good chance you'll get em off the line for at least a short distance because there is about a 50% chance he'll blow the launch and even higher if I'm drivingd. Once he hooks up though, the writing will be on the wall, so shut down quick and claim your victory! The Viper is really built for road racing, so it is the high speed and cornering stuff that it really excels at.
If anyone is around the Portland OR area, we should hook for a ride.
--- Ken
10-29-2002, 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSpeedSE
I think CustomMaxima is too Pricy, South West has awsome prices
I think CustomMaxima is too Pricy, South West has awsome prices
10-29-2002, 04:52 PM
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SkylineGTR,
I don't think anyone has done a single turbo. It would have to be huge to feed 8L and the boost lag would be incredible I'm sure. There are both single and dual supercharger setups. The single SC setups are generally used on the lower HP setups while the high HP setups I have seen typically use two SC's.
How does a dual SC work? Is there two sets of pulleys on the viper engine therefore two SC's can be applied? I am just trying to mentally picture it in my head but having trouble.
SuDZ,
A Viper is very hard to launch well because of all the torque. You can look like a god or an idiot just trying to get off the line in one. That's were I miss my VR4 TT with AWD and sticky 245 tires all the way around. Launching just required that you dumped the clutch at somewhere around 3000-5000RPM and hang on. In the Viper, there is a fine line between bogging it off the line and going up in tire smoke.
If you decide to go up against one, try to do it from a dead stop. Good chance you'll get em off the line for at least a short distance because there is about a 50% chance he'll blow the launch and even higher if I'm drivingd. Once he hooks up though, the writing will be on the wall, so shut down quick and claim your victory! The Viper is really built for road racing, so it is the high speed and cornering stuff that it really excels at.
Now that you put it that way it does make sence. Jump the gun or get too excited and dropping the clutch on that thing must be crazy. I know on a few high powered cars I have tried (but not nearly in the 400 - 500 HP range) that just slipping the clutch a bit wrong and too much gas you just sit there for a second wondering why your not moving when all of a sudden the smoke built up around us
If anyone is around the Portland OR area, we should hook for a ride.
If ya wanna drive out to Massachusetts for the day I would love to go for a ride
SuDZ
I don't think anyone has done a single turbo. It would have to be huge to feed 8L and the boost lag would be incredible I'm sure. There are both single and dual supercharger setups. The single SC setups are generally used on the lower HP setups while the high HP setups I have seen typically use two SC's.
How does a dual SC work? Is there two sets of pulleys on the viper engine therefore two SC's can be applied? I am just trying to mentally picture it in my head but having trouble.
SuDZ,
A Viper is very hard to launch well because of all the torque. You can look like a god or an idiot just trying to get off the line in one. That's were I miss my VR4 TT with AWD and sticky 245 tires all the way around. Launching just required that you dumped the clutch at somewhere around 3000-5000RPM and hang on. In the Viper, there is a fine line between bogging it off the line and going up in tire smoke.
If you decide to go up against one, try to do it from a dead stop. Good chance you'll get em off the line for at least a short distance because there is about a 50% chance he'll blow the launch and even higher if I'm drivingd. Once he hooks up though, the writing will be on the wall, so shut down quick and claim your victory! The Viper is really built for road racing, so it is the high speed and cornering stuff that it really excels at.
Now that you put it that way it does make sence. Jump the gun or get too excited and dropping the clutch on that thing must be crazy. I know on a few high powered cars I have tried (but not nearly in the 400 - 500 HP range) that just slipping the clutch a bit wrong and too much gas you just sit there for a second wondering why your not moving when all of a sudden the smoke built up around us
If anyone is around the Portland OR area, we should hook for a ride.
If ya wanna drive out to Massachusetts for the day I would love to go for a ride
SuDZ
11-01-2002, 01:34 PM
#57
Cd....
SuDZ,
The Viper Ken has....the Cd is about .50 (yeah, I quoted this from either C/D or R/T or Motortrend). It's like a brick slicing through the air...
Maxima 4th gen is .30, while the 5th gen is .28.
The funny thing is, Toyota Corolla 2 version before the current one has about .27.
The Viper Ken has....the Cd is about .50 (yeah, I quoted this from either C/D or R/T or Motortrend). It's like a brick slicing through the air...
Maxima 4th gen is .30, while the 5th gen is .28.
The funny thing is, Toyota Corolla 2 version before the current one has about .27.
Originally posted by SuDZ
i think the Maxima at the power levels would start to really lag behind one just based on the setup of the car. I mean the viper is very low and very aerodynamical by design while the Maxima is setup as a typical sedan. It would still be fun though just being able to hang close enough to a viper to even make the guy think for a second ... he may have me here.
i think the Maxima at the power levels would start to really lag behind one just based on the setup of the car. I mean the viper is very low and very aerodynamical by design while the Maxima is setup as a typical sedan. It would still be fun though just being able to hang close enough to a viper to even make the guy think for a second ... he may have me here.
11-01-2002, 02:58 PM
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Re: Cd....
Originally posted by ardika
SuDZ,
The Viper Ken has....the Cd is about .50 (yeah, I quoted this from either C/D or R/T or Motortrend). It's like a brick slicing through the air...
Maxima 4th gen is .30, while the 5th gen is .28.
The funny thing is, Toyota Corolla 2 version before the current one has about .27.
SuDZ,
The Viper Ken has....the Cd is about .50 (yeah, I quoted this from either C/D or R/T or Motortrend). It's like a brick slicing through the air...
Maxima 4th gen is .30, while the 5th gen is .28.
The funny thing is, Toyota Corolla 2 version before the current one has about .27.
11-01-2002, 05:20 PM
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Hmmm.... I can see it is time to stick up for my poor car. To set the record straight, the Viper RT/10, which is the roadster version, has a drag coefficient of .50 when the top is off, which is pretty poor. The GTS is better at .35, but that is only fair at best. The new SRT10 '03 viper is around .30. I think a Vette is .28 by comparison. The large front grill area and large front tires tend to adversely affect the number. This is mainly only an issue for top speed and the Viper still manages to get up to about 185-192 stock and over 200 after a few mods.
Back to SuDZ's question about the supercharger setup. Here is a link to a pic that shows a typical twin-SC setup. Since there are two halves to the intake system, they usually plumb one SC into each intake and put a balance tube between them to keep things equal. I'm not exactly sure how the belt drive is setup, but the Viper has the normal car setup on pulleys. Perhaps both are run off the same belt, but I don't know for sure.
http://www.hyperdrivesystems.com/ima...d_top_view.jpg
--- Ken
Back to SuDZ's question about the supercharger setup. Here is a link to a pic that shows a typical twin-SC setup. Since there are two halves to the intake system, they usually plumb one SC into each intake and put a balance tube between them to keep things equal. I'm not exactly sure how the belt drive is setup, but the Viper has the normal car setup on pulleys. Perhaps both are run off the same belt, but I don't know for sure.
http://www.hyperdrivesystems.com/ima...d_top_view.jpg
--- Ken
11-02-2002, 12:01 AM
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Re: Re: Cd....
SuDZ,
The higher the numbers, the more drag caused by that shaped. So, lower is better in terms of cd.
Ken has done his homework.......you are right on about the GTS cd with top up and down.
Having said that, if a Maxima would have the same power as Vette, would it be safe to assume it will achieve higher top speeds?
Perhaps the answer would be a "yes", but do you really want to take your Max to 200+ hp with dual supercharger setup,....and please remember that a Maxima is designed to be a "sedan" instead of a "pure bred sports car" like Vette/GTRs/Viper/Countach/F50?
I will need a big wing to stabilize my car at that speed......BIG adjustable aluminum wing
The higher the numbers, the more drag caused by that shaped. So, lower is better in terms of cd.
Ken has done his homework....
...you are right on about the GTS cd with top up and down.Having said that, if a Maxima would have the same power as Vette, would it be safe to assume it will achieve higher top speeds?
Perhaps the answer would be a "yes", but do you really want to take your Max to 200+ hp with dual supercharger setup,....and please remember that a Maxima is designed to be a "sedan" instead of a "pure bred sports car" like Vette/GTRs/Viper/Countach/F50?
I will need a big wing to stabilize my car at that speed....
..BIG adjustable aluminum wing
Originally posted by SuDZ
Intresting.... So the Max is supposed to be more aerodynamic when compared to the Viper? Or do I have it backwards. I always forget in which cases the numbers are better when they are higher or better when they are lower.
Intresting.... So the Max is supposed to be more aerodynamic when compared to the Viper? Or do I have it backwards. I always forget in which cases the numbers are better when they are higher or better when they are lower.
11-02-2002, 10:07 AM
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Mods that are basic
-CAI (true CAI cuts into the fender)
-Y-pipe (I have Warpspeed aluminum, very light and straighter than the stillen)
-Variable Intake - makes power across the RPM range, courtesy I read is suppose to be selling them for around 400, hope it's true
-Under Drive Pulley - just frees up some power thats their
-If it's an auto, tranny work like a valve body modification or whole transmission package.
Cosmetics
-Shave the rear emblems (get dental floss and work it back and fourth behind the emblems, there will be no wholes, you just need to get some wax and buff off the glue.)
-Nice looking muffler (I have a tesudo that is a low back pressure muffler, but more importantly it looks much better than the stock muffler, and it sounds very clean like a 3000GT)
Clear corners all around - take out the amber parts of your turn signals on the front and rear.
Bigger wheels - Discount tire direct has incredible deals for wheels and tires. I got 4 17 inch Konig Reigns wrapped in Nitto 450 (225/50), mounted and balanced, delivered to my door for 1,000.
This is a very basic list of some things
-CAI (true CAI cuts into the fender)
-Y-pipe (I have Warpspeed aluminum, very light and straighter than the stillen)
-Variable Intake - makes power across the RPM range, courtesy I read is suppose to be selling them for around 400, hope it's true
-Under Drive Pulley - just frees up some power thats their
-If it's an auto, tranny work like a valve body modification or whole transmission package.
Cosmetics
-Shave the rear emblems (get dental floss and work it back and fourth behind the emblems, there will be no wholes, you just need to get some wax and buff off the glue.)
-Nice looking muffler (I have a tesudo that is a low back pressure muffler, but more importantly it looks much better than the stock muffler, and it sounds very clean like a 3000GT)
Clear corners all around - take out the amber parts of your turn signals on the front and rear.
Bigger wheels - Discount tire direct has incredible deals for wheels and tires. I got 4 17 inch Konig Reigns wrapped in Nitto 450 (225/50), mounted and balanced, delivered to my door for 1,000.
This is a very basic list of some things
11-24-2002, 09:52 PM
#63
also check out max-world.org. I love vipers and i think its sweet that you picked up a maxima.
I also thought it was funny how you changed your mind on modding within 3 paragraphs (read the last line of the intro then read the 4th paragraph)
have fun!
MrGone
I also thought it was funny how you changed your mind on modding within 3 paragraphs
(read the last line of the intro then read the 4th paragraph)have fun!
MrGone
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