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Old 11-16-2002, 06:55 PM
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Compatible tires sizes for 97 SE w/ 2001 17" SE rims

I have a 97 SE and have 2001 SE 17" rims i want to put on my car.

I have to buy new tires and right now, the tire size on the rims are 225/50R/17" Bridgestone Potenza's.

I checked some stores and none have them in stock (special order) plus they cost a lot of money. I just need to know the different tire sizes that will work with this combination i have. I don't want it to be low profile type unless it has to be, so anything as thick as 225 or thicker, doesn't matter.

I talked to a few friends and they say that 245/XX/XX will work, so will 235/XX/XX. BJ (wholesale store) has a special on tires this week i believe and this is the right time for me to get some but i want to get some that won't kill my driving, throw off my speedometer or anything (if possible).

for all of you 97 drivers out there with aftermarket rims, or 2k1 SE rims, what tire sizes do you have or know will work fine with your maxima?
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Is anybody gonna help this guy? Or are you guys just trying to keep from flaming him? Dude, I hate when people do that to me so I'll tell you what I know.

I think you really can get anything on your wheels as long as they have the right inside diameter. I don't think there is a thickness at which all tire manufacturers say you should stop, but as you indicate, there are performance issues. For one thing, the thinner the wall the shorter time it takes for driver input to be transmitted to the ground. So I would tend to avoid thick wall tires if you care a whole lot about performance. If you went to 245 mm thick tires you would probably need to get an aspect ratio of 45 to keep the same wall thickness with the wider tire. The safe thing to do is to at least stay close to the OEM size on your 2k1 wheels.

This site has a little thing where you can put different sizes to check your speedometer error with tire/wheel combos with slightly larger or smaller overall diameters.

Hope this helps!
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Originally posted by Minimalmaxima
Is anybody gonna help this guy? Or are you guys just trying to keep from flaming him? Dude, I hate when people do that to me so I'll tell you what I know.

I think you really can get anything on your wheels as long as they have the right inside diameter. I don't think there is a thickness at which all tire manufacturers say you should stop, but as you indicate, there are performance issues. For one thing, the thinner the wall the shorter time it takes for driver input to be transmitted to the ground. So I would tend to avoid thick wall tires if you care a whole lot about performance. If you went to 245 mm thick tires you would probably need to get an aspect ratio of 45 to keep the same wall thickness with the wider tire. The safe thing to do is to at least stay close to the OEM size on your 2k1 wheels.

This site has a little thing where you can put different sizes to check your speedometer error with tire/wheel combos with slightly larger or smaller overall diameters.

Hope this helps!
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You need either one of these 2:
-235/45/17
-225/45/17

In order to keep the overall turning diameter as close to stock as possible, you need a 45 profile tire which is the height of the sidewall. If you compare 45s to 50s you have now, they look more "thin". They'll feel more sporty but this is the profile that 4th gens require with 17" wheels. The 235 is the width of the tire, or the part that touches the surface. 2k1 wheels are 7" wide. For this size, 225 is reccomended, 235s will fit but they will buldge a little bit, plus there was some kind of controversy of whether or not you should put tires of this width on stock 17s.. I don't know anything about that though, but I am sure that 225s are more than enough for you in terms of grip or performance..

Basically,
get some 225/45/17s and do not get those stock Potenzas, they are expensive as hell and for that price you can get rediculously great all season high performance tires in the correct size which is 225/45/17.. So forget those Potenzas. Go to tirerack.com
They have some of the best prices anywhere, trust me, i've researched this, even considering shipping and all..
Go with some High performance all season tires.

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Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa
You need either one of these 2:
-235/45/17
-225/45/17

In order to keep the overall turning diameter as close to stock as possible, you need a 45 profile tire which is the height of the sidewall. If you compare 45s to 50s you have now, they look more "thin". They'll feel more sporty but this is the profile that 4th gens require with 17" wheels. The 235 is the width of the tire, or the part that touches the surface. 2k1 wheels are 7" wide. For this size, 225 is reccomended, 235s will fit but they will buldge a little bit, plus there was some kind of controversy of whether or not you should put tires of this width on stock 17s.. I don't know anything about that though, but I am sure that 225s are more than enough for you in terms of grip or performance..

Basically,
get some 225/45/17s and do not get those stock Potenzas, they are expensive as hell and for that price you can get rediculously great all season high performance tires in the correct size which is 225/45/17.. So forget those Potenzas. Go to tirerack.com
They have some of the best prices anywhere, trust me, i've researched this, even considering shipping and all..
Go with some High performance all season tires.

good luck
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YOU ARE THE MAN! thanks bro, i hate that nasty bulge sticking out. I had that on my old GLE rims when i replaced tires...anyhow, i'm going to see how easy it is to get 225/45/17. If its too hard, my next step is 235/45/17. Also i was going to get my tires from costco or BJ, whole sale stores which can do install and everything at a great price. i also compared a tire they ahd to a tire tiretrack had and costco came out 6 dollars cheaper INSTALLED.

What brands do u recommend besides potenza?
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215/50-17. Toyo or Dunlop.
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Originally posted by voltman
215/50-17. Toyo or Dunlop.
215? sounds small

how about 225/55/17??? BJ's has that size in michelin and i wouldn't have to preorder it. Just thicker on the wall right?
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215/50/17 is the correct tire size for a 17x7 wheel like the 2001 SE 17" wheels.

225/45/17 would be a little too small, but the 225mm wide tire will fit a 7" wide wheel.

235/45/17 is the correct rolling diameter, but a 235mm wide tire is not advised for a 7" wide wheel. It causes some weird tire handling dynamics (no, I can't describe them). No major tire maker than I know of will recommend a 235/45 tire (or wider!) on a 17x7" wheel. Period. It's a safety thing.

225/50/17 is a little too big, and it's an impossible to find size anyway.

225/55/17 is MUCH too big, and isn't that much easier of a size to find.

www.miata.net "garage" has a tire size calculator.
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Originally posted by brianw
215/50/17 is the correct tire size for a 17x7 wheel like the 2001 SE 17" wheels.

225/45/17 would be a little too small, but the 225mm wide tire will fit a 7" wide wheel.

235/45/17 is the correct rolling diameter, but a 235mm wide tire is not advised for a 7" wide wheel. It causes some weird tire handling dynamics (no, I can't describe them). No major tire maker than I know of will recommend a 235/45 tire (or wider!) on a 17x7" wheel. Period. It's a safety thing.

225/50/17 is a little too big, and it's an impossible to find size anyway.

225/55/17 is MUCH too big, and isn't that much easier of a size to find.

www.miata.net "garage" has a tire size calculator.
you, powerseller, and voltman have all recommended 215/50/17....this is the route i'm going to go then. thanks guys, now all i need is some tire recommendations.

besides michellin, what other brands are good for all season?
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Originally posted by meccanoble


you, powerseller, and voltman have all recommended 215/50/17....this is the route i'm going to go then. thanks guys, now all i need is some tire recommendations.

besides michellin, what other brands are good for all season?
For all seasons, you can try the Dunlop SP Sport 5000. They're V-rated, so they should last longer than Z-rated summer tires.
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Oh, and if you don't need all-seasons, try the Dunlop 9000 or the Toyo Proxes T1S.
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Originally posted by meccanoble


you, powerseller, and voltman have all recommended 215/50/17....this is the route i'm going to go then. thanks guys, now all i need is some tire recommendations.

besides michellin, what other brands are good for all season?
seriously
i don't know why they'd reccomend that
because it's wrong...

for 4th gens.... to keep the overall turning diameter the same....
you need a 45 profile tire... 215 is pretty thin... The stock width on those Potenzas is eve 225... the 50 is the profile, which is obviously different for 5th gens......

Look around and see what size tires people with 4th gens run on 17" wheels.. and I'm not talking the stock 17" 2k-2k2s because if they are running 225/50/17s it's becuase they bought their rims with those tires..... check 17 X 7" wheels.. most people will tell you they have 225/45/17 or 235/45/17.... A 17 X 7" stock wheel is the same as any other 17 x 7" wheel...

215/50/17" or 225/50/17 will give you some sh!tty selections at bad prices... 225/45/17s and 235/45/17 are much more widespread and popular...

50 profile is good for 5th gens. Not 4th gens. doesn't matter if it's a 17 x 7" OEM wheel or 17 x 7" aftermarket one.
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Mine are 215\45\zr17.. They have been working fine. Get this size due to not many choices for the standard size..
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I think some people don't understand exactly what those numbers mean. The
howstuffworks.com website has a good write up. Search for "aspect ratio" (what most guys here are calling the "profile") and you should come across the tire stuff and it will explain it. The first number is in millimeters and is the width of the tire from wall to wall. The second number is a ratio of the wall thickness to the tire width. So a tire width of 235 mm, or 9.25 inches, with an aspect ratio of 50, will have a side wall thickness of 117.5 mm, or 4.63 inches. When you get different sized rims and care to keep your speedometer relatively accurate, the object is to get those numbers to add up so that the overall diamters of the new tire/wheel combo is the same or nearly the same as the previous. It can be hard to get them exact, but you can get close enough to have your speed stay within a couple of percent of the original, faster or slower.

Anyway, I agree with meccanoble; don't put 215's on those 17 inchers. Instead of the bulge you would get with the 235's you might get a bit of that bowed look with the 215's. I don't know for sure cause I've never seen that. I think handling might actually be better with the 215's than the 235's, but neither would be as good as the 225's that the manufacturer put on them. Oh yeah, the 215's and 235's would also probably wear out faster.
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Sorry for the mistake.. 225\45\zr17.. Thats what I have.
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Originally posted by 98maxse
Sorry for the mistake.. 225\45\zr17.. Thats what I have.
Yeah I think those tires and wheels will get you as close to the stock 16 inch wheels' overall diameter as you're gonna get.
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Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa


seriously
i don't know why they'd reccomend that
because it's wrong...

for 4th gens.... to keep the overall turning diameter the same....
you need a 45 profile tire... 215 is pretty thin... The stock width on those Potenzas is eve 225... the 50 is the profile, which is obviously different for 5th gens......

Look around and see what size tires people with 4th gens run on 17" wheels.. and I'm not talking the stock 17" 2k-2k2s because if they are running 225/50/17s it's becuase they bought their rims with those tires..... check 17 X 7" wheels.. most people will tell you they have 225/45/17 or 235/45/17.... A 17 X 7" stock wheel is the same as any other 17 x 7" wheel...

215/50/17" or 225/50/17 will give you some sh!tty selections at bad prices... 225/45/17s and 235/45/17 are much more widespread and popular...

50 profile is good for 5th gens. Not 4th gens. doesn't matter if it's a 17 x 7" OEM wheel or 17 x 7" aftermarket one.
And 235/45/17 is not recommended for 7" wheels. You probably could put them on, but it's not recommended by manufacturers. Most of the people with 235/45/17 have at least 7.5" wide wheels, if not 8". The 215/50/17 is virtually an exact match for the rolling diameter of the stock 15". They're also recommended by Volk, Nismo, Impul, etc for the A32 chassis if paired with 7" wheels. Either way, it's his choice. We're just putting the info out there.
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And 235/45/17 is not recommended for 7" wheels. You probably could put them on, but it's not recommended by manufacturers. Most of the people with 235/45/17 have at least 7.5" wide wheels, if not 8". The 215/50/17 is virtually an exact match for the rolling diameter of the stock 15". They're also recommended by Volk, Nismo, Impul, etc for the A32 chassis if paired with 7" wheels. Either way, it's his choice. We're just putting the info out there.
Its NOT my choice because unlike picking a color or picking a style, MY OPINION MEANS DOOKIE since i don't know what's best. I'm now debating between 215/50/17 and 225/45/17. I think the 225 one might be the way to go but i don't know how easy it is to find. I thank you all for you feedback and request more...THIS IS WHY i still have my sh*tty hubcaps on...

OK, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TIRES FOR BOTH SIZES! I'm going to hit up costco after classes and see if they carry any of these sizes and the brands you recommend...so far, i hear dunlop is nice...
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And 235/45/17 is not recommended for 7" wheels. You probably could put them on, but it's not recommended by manufacturers. Most of the people with 235/45/17 have at least 7.5" wide wheels, if not 8". The 215/50/17 is virtually an exact match for the rolling diameter of the stock 15". They're also recommended by Volk, Nismo, Impul, etc for the A32 chassis if paired with 7" wheels. Either way, it's his choice. We're just putting the info out there.
235/45/17 on AE wheels is this bad??
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Originally posted by voltman


And 235/45/17 is not recommended for 7" wheels. You probably could put them on, but it's not recommended by manufacturers. Most of the people with 235/45/17 have at least 7.5" wide wheels, if not 8". The 215/50/17 is virtually an exact match for the rolling diameter of the stock 15". They're also recommended by Volk, Nismo, Impul, etc for the A32 chassis if paired with 7" wheels. Either way, it's his choice. We're just putting the info out there.
that may be right..

but using tires skinnier than factory on that 7" wide wheel?


215/50/17 will also look "higher" in profile.. making those 17s look smaller.. they are too bulky for 4th gens.. 225s are the same width as factory..

I rather have a wider tire (whos width is also reccomended by the manufacturer..) and a smaller sidewall.. for more performance, better looks and better turning diameter so your speedometer doesn't give you false readings..

225/45/17 is perfect in my mind

true, 235s are ran by 7.5" and 8" wide wheels mostly.. yet people have put them on 7" and been fine with it

Mecca.. 225/45/17 would give you a bigger and better selection than 215/50/17 or 225/50/17...

I have 17 x 7.5" and I'm going to go with 235/45/17.. for every half an inch in rim width, you could go up 10 points in tire width...


Look at what Nissan uses from FACTORY:
factory 16 x 6.5"- 215 wide tires
factory 17 x 7"- 225 wide tires
factory i30t 17 x 7.5" - 235 wide tires

this plays 2 ways though.. you can go a size higher in the 6.5" and 7" without much problems.. i would suppose.. because people have done it......
plenty of people ran 225s on stock 16s.. same goes for 17s..
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Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa


that may be right..

but using tires skinnier than factory on that 7" wide wheel?


215/50/17 will also look "higher" in profile.. making those 17s look smaller.. they are too bulky for 4th gens.. 225s are the same width as factory..

I rather have a wider tire (whos width is also reccomended by the manufacturer..) and a smaller sidewall.. for more performance, better looks and better turning diameter so your speedometer doesn't give you false readings..

225/45/17 is perfect in my mind

true, 235s are ran by 7.5" and 8" wide wheels mostly.. yet people have put them on 7" and been fine with it

Mecca.. 225/45/17 would give you a bigger and better selection than 215/50/17 or 225/50/17...

I have 17 x 7.5" and I'm going to go with 235/45/17.. for every half an inch in rim width, you could go up 10 points in tire width...


Look at what Nissan uses from FACTORY:
factory 16 x 6.5"- 215 wide tires
factory 17 x 7"- 225 wide tires
factory i30t 17 x 7.5" - 235 wide tires

this plays 2 ways though.. you can go a size higher in the 6.5" and 7" without much problems.. i would suppose.. because people have done it......
plenty of people ran 225s on stock 16s.. same goes for 17s..
i c...in that case i'll ask for that size first...hopefully its easy to find and not crazy expensive but oh well...if costco doesn't have it,i'll have no choice but to see if they have 215/50/17....

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If you're going to Costco, they'll have Michelin (Pilot Sports, I belive), Bridgestone (Potenza RE730 and S03), and BF Goodrich (KDW). Any of those would be a good choice.

As for the tire size, the reason the Nissan factory 17" came with 225/50 on the 5th gen is because the car itself was bigger and the speedo calibrated differently (although the 225/50 would still be usable on 4th gens.) 225/45 would technically be a little small, but people have gotten away with it. It'll make your wheelgap a little more noticeable though. And while people have done 235/45 on 7", it's still not necessarily correct (if you care about tire specs).
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Originally posted by voltman
If you're going to Costco, they'll have Michelin (Pilot Sports, I belive), Bridgestone (Potenza RE730 and S03), and BF Goodrich (KDW). Any of those would be a good choice.

As for the tire size, the reason the Nissan factory 17" came with 225/50 on the 5th gen is because the car itself was bigger and the speedo calibrated differently (although the 225/50 would still be usable on 4th gens.) 225/45 would technically be a little small, but people have gotten away with it. It'll make your wheelgap a little more noticeable though. And while people have done 235/45 on 7", it's still not necessarily correct (if you care about tire specs).
i'm not too worried about the gap, after all i have a 2" drop (sprints) plus it shouldn't look any worst than my 16" hub caps now...

i just don't want to have these tires pop on me cause they too small due to a hub cap hit and i don't want them to die on my fast...
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Originally posted by meccanoble


i'm not too worried about the gap, after all i have a 2" drop (sprints) plus it shouldn't look any worst than my 16" hub caps now...

i just don't want to have these tires pop on me cause they too small due to a hub cap hit and i don't want them to die on my fast...
Just make sure then that you get tires with at least a 91 load rating. I think all the Costco ones do. And tire wear is all dependant on compound (speed rating) and tire wear rating, not size.
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how does tire load work anyway? thats one thing i need explained

what tire would you recommend at 225/45/17 for around ~105-110 a piece?
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Originally posted by sil SE
how does tire load work anyway? thats one thing i need explained

what tire would you recommend at 225/45/17 for around ~105-110 a piece?
wow, that's an evil drop, there's like no gap between car and tires...what springs do u have? is there any rubbing?
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hah i knew someone would ask. actually i on the comp and thats what came out: bigger wheels and no gap.
my drop is 1.7" with progress and looks nothing like that pic. but you can check out my page to see what it really looks like.

so are we any closer to choosing a tire? tyre..whichever.
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i would stick with 225/?/17

most likely stay with what they came with 225/50/17

i dont know if its true , but i heard that /45/ are more closer associated with low profile tires and you will feel the bumps alot more than with /50/

someone please correct me if I'm wrong about feeling more bumps with the /45/

i prefer nice smooth ride so i stuck with 225/50/17 for my stock se rims
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The tires you are currently running are already making your speedo wrong. They are taller than the factory tires.

215/55 R17 (26.3" tall) will fit and are about the same size as what you have. You probably don't want a narrower tire though. A 215/50 R17 will be closer to stock. 225/45 R17 are about .3" shorter than the stock tire. The stock tires are about 25.2 to 25.3" tall.

TireRack.com has 225/50 R17 Potenzas.
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mecca,
what kind of tire are you looking for?


an all season tire?
a summer performance tire?

an all season performance tire?


If so,
I'd strongly reccomend you look into Sumitomo HTR+ tires, they are 102$ a piece at tire rack.. I'm getting these things.



Look at the ratings and feedback on tirerack on all tires they offer in the size you need (225/45/17) and in the category you need (high performance all season? touring? summer performance? ultra high performance? ) and look at the charts at the bottom.. they give you a nice idea of what is good and what isn't and how they compare to each other in each kind of driving condition, and wear.. also read the feedback of other people with similar tires....
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how much bumpier will a 225/45 be over a 225/50? because right now i have the stock potenzas on the 17" rim on my 4th gen on AGX (set at 3) and i feel EVERY bump already. i cant imagine the 45's being much worse.

by the way, agx can be turned clockwise or counterclockwise?
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The lower the profile the more air pressure. Usually with lower profile the worse the ride. My 17" Turanzas are rougher riding than my old 65 series 15" tires. 44 PSI vs 35 PSI
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i'm looking for all season

and i plan to do a good amount of street racin, nothing major just beating a honda or acura to the next light type thing...recommendations?
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i'm looking for all season

and i plan to do a good amount of street racin, nothing major just beating a honda or acura to the next light type thing...recommendations?
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For stock 17" rims, I would definitely go 225/45/17's.

Do a search on tirerack.com to see what tire choices suit your needs.
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Originally posted by Mishmosh
For stock 17" rims, I would definitely go 225/45/17's.

Do a search on tirerack.com to see what tire choices suit your needs.
Is there anything in that size made my BF Goodrich or Bridgetstone that you guys would recommend?

I got a good recommendation on Suminoto's (sp?), and dunlop...found one michellin that was actually garbage in that size...give me some brands to go for
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The other thing about 235/45's for all season is that they will handle like crap in the winter where narrower tires are better. 225's (and even 215) are a better compromise. Of course, if you get any snow, getting a winter set would be your best option... nothing beats good sets of dry/wet tires and winter tires.
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