You know I was reading a post one time and how the VQ moter is better than the 300 motor. How Nissans family car is faster than the Naturally Aspirated sports car. But if you think about it like the VQ motor really can't take to much horsepower without getting work done. And the 300 motor can get like 500 horses at the wheels without getting lots of work done to the engine. Like the 300 motor is more bulletproof. Just something to think about. Or maybe I am wrong, just wondering....

 

What is the 300 motor?

 

300 Zx motor, not the twin turbo one, I am just talking about the NA one.

 

spoken like a true riceboy.

 

where did you read this? motortrend in 1995 did a review of a 95 5spd and said it could pace a n/a 300ZX (i remember mzmtg had it in his sig awhile back).

300ZX's can be tuned to put down a ton of power, if its a turbo. i've seen 300ZX's with maybe a $1000 in mods running crazy times.

 

You sound lost.

Not all motors are built from the factory to handle obscene amounts of power. Not all "good" motors are built to handle obscene amounts of power.

Make sense? Just because the SR20DE is good to ~400fwhp (or ~500fwhp if you're careful), is it better than the VQ30DE or VG30DE...? I don't think you can make that kind of generalization based solely on how much boost a stock motor can handle.

 

Also, you are comparing apples to oranges. Our engine is not a VG30DE, it is a VQ30DE. We have things over the VG30DE and the VG30DE has other things over the VQ30DE. Our engine is not a Sports car engine, but it acts like one and can me modded to be like one. The VG30DE was "made" for a sports car.....

And what are you saying about the VQ's not being able to handle power? There are turbocharged Maximas out there (Turbo95Max, Harold, Turbo97SE (Nigel), Sprint, etc.) that are putting near 350+ HP with a BOLT-ON kit, no work done on the internals. Granted that upgraded internals would be a good investment, they are proving you wrong.

Also, you are talking about how "How Nissans family car is faster than the Naturally Aspirated sports car". Well, have you happened to look at the power to weight ratios? You will see that the 300ZX is indeed a heavier car, with a little more HP, but RWD. They also loose some power throughout the rear driveshaft.

I am not flaming you, I am just letting you know the facts before generalizations can be made about two different cars/engines....

 

the engine in the N/A 300z (vq30de), shares the same engine with the 3rd gen max and a few other things (J30)...and how do you know the N/A 3zx motor can handle much HP on stock internals?? i've never seen 3rd gen maxs or N/A 3zx's with close to 400 hp...granted i havent looked around.....im pretty sure the VG30DETT is MUCH stronger built then the VG30DE, but again, i could be very wrong

 

I think Nigel spent a year bulletprofing his engine, I think I read a post on that. So you think Nissan builds one egine better than the other? You think theres a difference, well a big deifference in internals on a 2002 Maxima and 2002 350Z, nope not realll except maybe 10 horses. Well you know people are going to mod a 350Z more than a Maxima. Whats the difference? Don't some I30's have the 300 engine why can't they twin turbo their cars and get the same result. I mean thats a luxury car. so can you spend a $1000 dollars on that like romeo said and make that make some crazy times. I know the company thinks about what people are going to do to their cars and whats a sports car and whats a family sedan. They should make it so it can take large horsepower. Ramius 83 said were putting 350 hp at the wheels probally like 500 at the crank but they are almost makeing 150-200 more horsepower on pretty much the same modfications. Don't say becuase its twin turboed becuase people run faster with one biggwer turbo. I am tired fo writing.. I like arguing, even though I don't know what I am talking about.

 

Discussed extensively in another thread, can't remember where, but it made me come to grips with the fact that FWD gets more out of the engine than RWD, which is why my 95 max (190hp) is much snappier than my 93 300ZX NA (220hp), weight differences notwithstanding.

Also the 300ZX NA torque comes at much higher RPM than the max. I can pass from 60 much quicker with my max than my Z (both auto). Plus the auto tranny in the Z doesn't "kick down" as intuitively as my max. I have to tromp harder to get the Z to downshift when passing.

However, the Z handles like a dream, esp with FSTB. I am aching to put a RSB on the max and wider tires so I can approach the handling of my 300ZX. The "swinging ***" feeling on the max is really startin' to bug me...

 

what I30's have a 300zx engine???? Not mine, or anyone elses I know.

 

He means the J30. It has the same features as the 300ZX, including rear wheel drive.

Hey, that new M class Infiniti looks killer.

-A

 

To my knowledge, not ONE person has blown a VQ due to excessive power. There have been motors blown by detonatoon, but not by power. No one knows how much power this motor can take. We're talking about BOLT ON turbo kits putting more than 370+ to the wheels. Nigel does not have a built motor, he is on stock internals. He is building a motor as we speak, but he put 370+ (it was either 371 or 377, can't remember which) to the wheels on stock internals. MardigrasMax is putting approximately the same, with SC and N20. I'm sure there's some tuning shop out there, probably in japan or some such place, that has blown a VQ due to excessive power, but no one on this board's done it. Its an expensive proposition. I think I heard nigel was going to blow his stocker when he got his built motor ready to go in, and see how much this little aluminum block can take before it pops.

 

This thread is lame.

We're all done here.