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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 12:55 AM
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What is the formula for a NA 13 sec ?

I know that there a few 13 sec NA max out there and
I'm really curious what you guys' list of mods are. I know a lot of it has do with the driver and the conditions of the track but what I like to know is that what mods are getting you there? I don't wanna get flamed but I did search but there isn't a specific list out there available for other people (like me and I bet many others) to shoot for, to achieve hi/mid 13sec 1/4 mile.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:06 AM
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hmm...

5spd, hybrid intake, mevi, y-pipe, straight pipe, b-pipe, no muffler, ud pulley, cut ac compressor from pulley, reprogrammed ecu, maybe a piggyback computer of some sort like apexi s-afc.

and obvious things like, being as light as possible, good plugs and coils, good fuel filter and pump, proper oils all over, premium gasoline, just overall perfect working order... oh yeah, and a good driver.

if the conditions are right and all the above are met, i dont see why a max couldnt go pretty well into the 13s. id be curious to see the 0-60 times and dyno slips of that max too. the vq is a special engine .
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:11 AM
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I really don't understand how a apexi s-afc work? does it work like a ecu upgrade? I know it has to do with air/fuel ratios but isn't that what a ecu upgrade does also (and extending redline) I've seen one on a NA Impreza 2.5RS a while ago when my friend (who I convinced to get a max) test drove a pretty modded out one, it was a pretty nice setup.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:16 AM
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the s-afc just helps you tweak out your air/fuel ratio. a well programmed ecu would not need one, also, the ecu will adapt to the s-afc over time so the s-afc is only good to enable every now and then.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:59 AM
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Re: What is the formula for a NA 13 sec ?

You will need around 180-190whp and a curb weight that is less than 2950lbs. Figure intake (your choice), MEVI, Y pipe, UDP, exhaust cutout or catback, slicks, weight reduction. You also need a track that is very close to sea level, otherwise you are wasting your time.

Originally posted by jcy98maxse
I know that there a few 13 sec NA max out there and
I'm really curious what you guys' list of mods are. I know a lot of it has do with the driver and the conditions of the track but what I like to know is that what mods are getting you there? I don't wanna get flamed but I did search but there isn't a specific list out there available for other people (like me and I bet many others) to shoot for, to achieve hi/mid 13sec 1/4 mile.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 05:20 AM
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The only NA 4th gen in the 13s is Nealoc187.

His mods are:
Intake
MEVI
Y-pipe
JWT ecu

There's your formula. Get those mods and learn how to drive.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by mzmtg
The only NA 4th gen in the 13s is Nealoc187.

His mods are:
Intake
MEVI
Y-pipe
JWT ecu

There's your formula. Get those mods and learn how to drive.
IIRC slicks too?
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 05:32 AM
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mwahahahaha...i know have the formula!


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Originally posted by mzmtg
The only NA 4th gen in the 13s is Nealoc187.

His mods are:
Intake
MEVI
Y-pipe
JWT ecu

There's your formula. Get those mods and learn how to drive.
I don't think neal has an ECU, and he also has a test pipe instead of cat, as well as slicks.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 07:23 AM
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step one: stop trying to make the maxima a fast car.
step two: if you think you can, be prepared to spend well over 5000.00.
step three: spend all that money just to have this car fall apart on you.
step four: slap yourself for trying to make a maxima fast.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by thebigsadler
step one: stop trying to make the maxima a fast car.
step two: if you think you can, be prepared to spend well over 5000.00.
step three: spend all that money just to have this car fall apart on you.
step four: slap yourself for trying to make a maxima fast.

The maxima is already fast.
The fun is modding the car to be faster, no matter how much it is.
Any car can fall apart, just make sure everything gets built well.
No need to slap yourself, because when you're done the other guy behind you will slap himself for trying to race you.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by mzmtg
The only NA 4th gen in the 13s is Nealoc187.

His mods are:
Intake
MEVI
Y-pipe
JWT ecu

There's your formula. Get those mods and learn how to drive.
I believe neal had:

stillen cone intake
Y-pipe
MEVI
slicks
weight reducton
driving skills
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by thebigsadler
step one: stop trying to make the maxima a fast car.
step two: if you think you can, be prepared to spend well over 5000.00.
step three: spend all that money just to have this car fall apart on you.
step four: slap yourself for trying to make a maxima fast.
Why spend 5k on go fast parts when you can put 18's on your max, DVD & playstation in your car. Shoulda bought a Benz.

Dude what it comes down to is work with what you got.

So please slap yo self home brew.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by I30tMikeD


I believe neal had:

stillen cone intake
Y-pipe
MEVI
slicks
weight reducton
driving skills

Actually it's a JWT popcharger

and he also has a test pipe which IMHO doesn't do anything for an N/A car...

my car is just as quick and fast as neal's and I have more weight...I also have full exhaust and a UDP.
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Originally posted by hacim105



The maxima is already fast.

Um, no it isn't.

14.6 1/4 mile times are not fast. Quick for a midlevel sedan, yes....fast, no.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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its fast for a reliable car that doesn't cost much. It could definetly beat alot of those "sport" compact cars out there stock so unless your willing to pay over 25grand for a car or more it is pretty fast for the money. it can beat stock:
1)2002 GTI
2)2002 si
3)2002 se-r spec v
4)2002 eclipse
etc. , etc. so don't call the max slow
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by 96max5sp
its fast for a reliable car that doesn't cost much. It could definetly beat alot of those "sport" compact cars out there stock so unless your willing to pay over 25grand for a car or more it is pretty fast for the money. it can beat stock:
1)2002 GTI
2)2002 si
3)2002 se-r spec v
4)2002 eclipse
etc. , etc. so don't call the max slow


So, it can beat all those other slow cars...
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 10:07 AM
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No ECU for me yet. With that and cams I hope I can get a 13.6, 100mph traps, and into the 13s on street tires too, it should really open the car up with the MEVI on there. I still need to do some other basic mods like exhaust and UDP as well, those will help a tiny bit.

My car is very light, and I'm a pretty skinny guy. I haven't done crazy weight reduction like removing mechanical parts from the car though. The contributing factors are lightweight wheels, CF hood, removed spare, jack, and passenger seat.
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Neal, how many accesory belts do 4-gens have? Can you remove one belt w/o losing ALT or PS power. 3-gen guys remove the belt powering the AC compressor to gain a little also.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 10:14 AM
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Neal, how many accesory belts do 4-gens have? Can you remove one belt w/o losing ALT or PS power. 3-gen guys remove the belt powering the AC compressor to gain a little also.
We have one big belt off the UDP powering the alternator and the AC compressor. And one belt running the powersteering. I heard of some people getting a small belt to run from the UDP only to the alternator (bypassing the AC compressor). Though, I do not know the size of it.
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
Neal, how many accesory belts do 4-gens have? Can you remove one belt w/o losing ALT or PS power. 3-gen guys remove the belt powering the AC compressor to gain a little also.
PS belt
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 10:34 AM
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want faster car? u need:
1-. Lots of stickers
2-. Super loud muffler
3-. Neon lights all over your car
4-. Any Color oversize bumpers
with these mods you will be very fast. Make sure you buy some Nissan or Nismo seat belt pads. you don't wanna hurt your self.


















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I don't know the secret I am still all stock doing low 15's.
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by optimus310
want faster car? u need:
1-. Lots of stickers
2-. Super loud muffler
3-. Neon lights all over your car
4-. Any Color oversize bumpers
with these mods you will be very fast. Make sure you buy some Nissan or Nismo seat belt pads. you don't wanna hurt your self.

















JK
I don't know the secret I am still all stock doing low 15's.
Gotta being rollin on some 19's or 20's, GTR emblem/ Type R emblems, carbon fiber wing and altezzas. 50 whp per mod, guarantee low 13s .
Hey what do I know, I'm rollin on 18's...
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Originally posted by mzmtg



Um, no it isn't.

14.6 1/4 mile times are not fast. Quick for a midlevel sedan, yes....fast, no.
So tell me what's fast. Doing 13 second 1/4 miles. Name as many stock cars that can do a 13 second 1/4 mile that costs less than $35,000. Most cars can't.
Your idea of fast is a $100,000 sports car.
Most sports cars only do a 1/4 mile in the 13's. You know why?
Because after that is when they will really pull they aren't designed for 1/4 miles.
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So tell me what's fast. Doing 13 second 1/4 miles. Name as many stock cars that can do a 13 second 1/4 mile that costs less than $35,000. Most cars can't.
Your idea of fast is a $100,000 sports car.
Most sports cars only do a 1/4 mile in the 13's. You know why?
Because after that is when they will really pull they aren't designed for 1/4 miles.


Fast has nothing to to with price. If a car can lay don the numbers, that's all that matters.

If someone spends a total of $25,000 on a used Camaro that runs 12.5, that's just as "fast" as the guy who spends $250,000 on a Frerrai 575M that runs 12.5
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Fast has nothing to to with price. If a car can lay don the numbers, that's all that matters.

If someone spends a total of $25,000 on a used Camaro that runs 12.5, that's just as "fast" as the guy who spends $250,000 on a Frerrai 575M that runs 12.5

That is true but if someone wanted to they could get their maxima to run a 12.5. The only difference is that it would be slightly easier to make an american muscle car really fast because parts don't cost as much and it has a V-8. Does anything else matter.
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Originally posted by thebigsadler
step one: stop trying to make the maxima a fast car.
step two: if you think you can, be prepared to spend well over 5000.00.
step three: spend all that money just to have this car fall apart on you.
step four: slap yourself for trying to make a maxima fast.

Stop trying to make your family sedan a show car
Same d*mn idea
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 03:49 PM
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fast and quick ish 2 different things yo...
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 04:41 PM
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OK com'on what do you want? 12sec 1/4 stock? for less than $40,000

The max is awesome for 8,000 i got a sexy, reliable, fast, roomy, comfortable etc., car and for $1,000 i can run 13.xx to low 14's 1/4 mile times (y-pipe,intake, b-pipe, chip, UDP).what more do you want? It's the best bang for the back out there.
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Originally posted by 96max5sp
car and for $1,000 i can run 13.xx to low 14's 1/4 mile times (y-pipe,intake, b-pipe, chip, UDP
not hating, but i believe those parts are going to run more than $1000 before installation (if you choose to have a mechanic install them). nealoc ran a 13.xx because he is a very and i emphasize VERY good driver. he also has an MEVI and i believe slicks.
a low 14 is a better guess.
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I got the answer to all your problems, instead of spending money on all that, just get TURBO 5.0psi should be good.
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Originally posted by thebigsadler
step one: stop trying to make the maxima a fast car.
step two: if you think you can, be prepared to spend well over 5000.00.
step three: spend all that money just to have this car fall apart on you.
step four: slap yourself for trying to make a maxima fast.
Put nasty chrome 20's on, a pointless air-bag suspension and act like you're the ****.
Slap yourself for ruining a maxima...
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by MaxEffect414
I got the answer to all your problems, instead of spending money on all that, just get TURBO 5.0psi should be good.
The point of the thread trying to get a max into 13sec naturally aspeerated. There are many reasons why some of us would rather have NA 13 sec max than a 13 sec turbo or supercharged max but that beside the point.
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I hope to one day be running high 13's N/A in my Maxima.
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Ok I have driven all sorts of cars, I have run straight line drags and autoX and trust me the Maxima is a decent performer. I drive a low 11 second gsx so I know what fast is. My current max could be turned into an 11 second all motor car if I had 8k to put into it but I don't, however the potential is still there. If I had the money though, I could make the max an 11 second beast and all I would have invested is 10k (2k for the car and 8k in mods).
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Originally posted by Liquid_pjear
Ok I have driven all sorts of cars, I have run straight line drags and autoX and trust me the Maxima is a decent performer. I drive a low 11 second gsx so I know what fast is. My current max could be turned into an 11 second all motor car if I had 8k to put into it but I don't, however the potential is still there. If I had the money though, I could make the max an 11 second beast and all I would have invested is 10k (2k for the car and 8k in mods).
yeh me too....
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Originally posted by Lurchdogg11
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Are you mocking me
Old Dec 11, 2002 | 09:42 PM
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Today

Originally posted by Liquid_pjear
I drive a low 11 second gsx so I know what fast is.
Yesterday
Originally posted by Liquid_pjear
I haven't even been able to dyno my high 11 second eclipse since I did some fuel work.
I assume there is a big difference between a high 11 and low 11 eclipse. You gained a good .5 in one day?

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Are you mocking me
no offense intended man but you're acting like you can make any car like the cars in the fast and the furious. everyone gets flamed as a newbie by the way....
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