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Old 12-28-2002, 01:20 AM
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Which tire should i get?

I have done my research and here is the three tires I am currently trying to decide on. The set of tires I decide on will be on 17in Rota Subzeros. The current suspension modifications i have so far are MaxSpeed lowering springs, KYB AGX struts, and a front strut bar, so handling factors probably would be different if you have a different suspension setup from mine. The factors Im am looking at is quietness, comfort, and handling on dry and wet roads. This is the size of tire i will be getting 235/45/17. Please recomend me any other tire that you have good and positive feedback about it and is priced around $100 +/- $15
Here they are:

1)Kumho Escata Supra 712 $92
2)Falken Azenis ST115 $107
3)Falken Ziex ZE-52 $104

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I would shell out an extra $25 to get something nicer like sumitomo htr+ or yokohama es100
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in that price range - dunlop A2's are great........i am assuming you want a Z rated tire......if you want an all season tire, i'd go for some HTR+(stay away from potenzas!!!!) toyo proxy FZ4 are nice as well
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Another tire you should look at is the Kumho Ecsta MX. From what I read at tire rack there are a much better tire than the Supra 712. I plan to buy a set this spring. They sell for $122 at tire rack, which is a little more than you wanted to spend but I think they are worth checking out.
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Old 12-28-2002, 12:13 PM
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anything but good year! ANYTHING! i made the biggest mistake by changing all four tires 3 months back with Eagle NCT3. Now, i get bubbles and thread fractures! like wtf.. no wonder they are never balanced... now i have to spend more money on some yokohamas.

 
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Hmmmmm...Yokohama AVS ES100 are catching my attention so far when comparing all these tires. Thanks
anything but good year! ANYTHING!
Very true, i got some goodyears right now and the handling quality in wet weather sucks.
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This is coming from experience, i owned a set of Yokohama AVS ES100 and they are a GREAT tire. (i had them on my former car, a 1995 Ford Probe GT V-6 before it was totalled) They stick real good, and are incredible in the rain. When i get rid of these ****ty all season tires i have on now (damn car spins all of 1st and well into 2nd) im definately getting some Yokos.

Oh, and i only picked them up for $78 for 16s, and only $108 for the 235/45/17s you want...
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Originally posted by 99Maxima5sp
This is coming from experience, i owned a set of Yokohama AVS ES100 and they are a GREAT tire. (i had them on my former car, a 1995 Ford Probe GT V-6 before it was totalled) They stick real good, and are incredible in the rain. When i get rid of these ****ty all season tires i have on now (damn car spins all of 1st and well into 2nd) im definately getting some Yokos.

Oh, and i only picked them up for $78 for 16s, and only $108 for the 235/45/17s you want...
I only had my yoko es100s for a little while now on my 18s and so far so good, nice ride, low noise. I chose them over HTR+.
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Either the ES100 or the HTR+ would be a good choice, but for what
your looking for in a tire I'd recommend the Sumitomo HTR+. The
Yokohama's have a stiff side wall= good for handling but stiff
ride. They also have a lower treadwear rating so the HTR+'s will
last longer. Also the tires have differnt rubber compounds, the
Yokohama's have a compound that needs to be heated up before it
starts to grip well. The Sumotomo's are not as dependant on
the temperature because of their all-season rubber compound.
Basically if you want to give up a little ride comfort for
performance and don't drive on them when it's cold out go for
the ES100's. If you want more ride comfort and treadlife and
drive when it's colder out get the HTR+'s.
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One of the local SCCA autocrossers mentioned to me from his experience and those of others that the traction of the Azenis tires tend to gradually disappear as they heat up while other pricier tires hold up just fine after successive laps.

The Ecsta series of tires would probably do better in terms of hydroplaning resistance comparing that tread pattern to the Azenis.

Quietness is a tall order in a Maxima which is not exactly a quiet car to begin with. The Azenis tire tread reminds me of my old Yokahama A520s. And those were LOUD.
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Originally posted by Nismo
I would shell out an extra $25 to get something nicer like sumitomo htr+ or yokohama es100
tirerack has the HTR+'s for $99/ea. in 225.45.17
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I just bought some TOYOs TPT Proxes...

and I LOVE 'em!!!
check 'em out...I bought for about $95 installed with taxes

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I have the Kumho 712's and they are great. No complaints at all, and I would definitely buy them again. They have also worn much better than my older Dunlop SP5000's, which bit the dust at 25k. I've had the Kumhos for 28k miles and they still look like at least 20-30% tread left.
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Originally posted by Requin6

tirerack has the HTR+'s for $99/ea. in 225.45.17
but around $130 for my size
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I chose the htr+ because of the glowing reviews on the org and their good specs taken from tirerack. The yoko es100 was a close second choice. I was this close to getting the yoko because the sumitumo's were out of stock and I needed tires bad but tirerack came thru and shipped out the sumi's to me. Great tire.
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Thanks guys looks like its gonna be a close decision between Yokohama es100's or the Sumitomo HTR's
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Re: Which tire should i get?

i have the falken azenis on my ride and they are very quiet.

Originally posted by Xmax
I have done my research and here is the three tires I am currently trying to decide on. The set of tires I decide on will be on 17in Rota Subzeros. The current suspension modifications i have so far are MaxSpeed lowering springs, KYB AGX struts, and a front strut bar, so handling factors probably would be different if you have a different suspension setup from mine. The factors Im am looking at is quietness, comfort, and handling on dry and wet roads. This is the size of tire i will be getting 235/45/17. Please recomend me any other tire that you have good and positive feedback about it and is priced around $100 +/- $15
Here they are:

1)Kumho Escata Supra 712 $92
2)Falken Azenis ST115 $107
3)Falken Ziex ZE-52 $104

Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by Xmax
Thanks guys looks like its gonna be a close decision between Yokohama es100's or the Sumitomo HTR's
I was in the same position but went with yokohama mainly because I dont like how the htr+ had super soft sidewalls that flex and also I dont really need a all season tire where I live. It was more of a preference to me, performance-yoko, comfort-sumitomo.
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Originally posted by Nismo


I was in the same position but went with yokohama mainly because I dont like how the htr+ had super soft sidewalls that flex and also I dont really need a all season tire where I live. It was more of a preference to me, performance-yoko, comfort-sumitomo.
Sumitumo's owned joo...................
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Sumitumo's owned joo...................
haha

Lilac "why is the car shaking??"

Nismo "your sidewalls are flexing thats why"

Lilac "ohhh damn these tires"


hahah, but serioulsly, you cant go wrong with eiter tire. I was damn close getting sumitomo
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Originally posted by Nismo


I was in the same position but went with yokohama mainly because I dont like how the htr+ had super soft sidewalls that flex and also I dont really need a all season tire where I live. It was more of a preference to me, performance-yoko, comfort-sumitomo.
My 225-50-16s hava a really soft sidewall as well. I was talking to the sumitomo performance tires design consultant and he told me that the ride guys and the handling/performance guys got in a fight about sidewall rigidity and the sidewalls were left soft. the tire is dependent on air pressure for sidewall rigidity. this was done to save weight, supposedly, while giving a cushier ride. I thought it felt mushy at first (@32 psi)and then I bumped it up to 44 psi (50 is the max) and the ride is still fairly comfortable while haveing greater stability in the turns.

Overall, I like the HTR+s, but if I had had a few more bucks I would be riding on the SP Sport A2s.
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BF Goodrich

I have 235\45 r17 Goodrich G-Force T\A KDWS...They are quiet, long lasting, and they stick very well. Only 125 at tires.com
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Re: BF Goodrich

Originally posted by skeetsmax
I have 235\45 r17 Goodrich G-Force T\A KDWS...They are quiet, long lasting, and they stick very well. Only 125 at tires.com
those were my tires from my other set of wheels. Great tire no problems at all. and also 400 wear rating
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One of my friends that went to the SCCA nationals recommended the Falken Azenis. He said you need those if you want to compete. I personally have the Bridgestone Potenza RE950's (all season), which perform very well in the summer, and excellent in the rain and snow.
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i got supra ecsta 712's 215/55/16 stock size for $74.00 each at tire rack.. they perform excellent for the price.
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You live in the Chicago area like me...

if you plan to have the same set all year long:

1. Don't buy any of the three that you listed.

2. Buy high performance all season tires. (tirerack) for info.

3. or buy 1 set of the three that you listed for summer and a set of winter tires/all seasons that perfom at a decent level in snow.

btw. my summer is Dunlop SP 9000 & winter is Dunlop Sport A2.
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Well right now i have a set tires on my car that are all season so those ill prolly use for the winter months and for my new tires and rims will only be used for the warm months. So ill prolly be going with number three krbga. Now all i have to figure out is where can I have the tires mounted to my rims when the time comes, even tho i know how to mount tires to the rim, and somewhat balance them, problem is that i don't have the tools to do that kind of stuff. So if anyone knows where is the cheapest place to mount tires (without them scratching the rim, cuz i know there is a machine that does end up scratching the rim when mounting the tire) in the Chicagoland area, but preferably in dupage county? Oh yeah, I just got my new rims yesterday, unfortunantly my scanner is broken and I don't have a digital camera so pictures won't be scanned or taken anytime soon. The rims I got are Rota Subzeros and it flat black. thanks again for the help.
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