Is it me, or are the AGX's getting harsh? Anyone else wanna comment on this?

I think my front AGX's are to firm, even at one. I'm back on stock springs for winter and my freggin car is to tight for me still. The rear seems great, but the front end is weird lately. Set at 2 the ride gets worse, by 3 I have a funny car ride. I don't remember them being this way new.

I think I'm going to run Tokicos up front and AGX's in the rear when I put the H&R's back in. I love the adjustability on the rear, just that is enough for my driving style. I always here how smooth the Tokicos ride, my buddies I30 rides beautifull with them. That car is all stock, but even so.

Is anybody else running a Tokico/AGX setup with H&R's?



The suspension guru needs help!

 

Which tokico's are you referring to?

 

Blue Performance

 

Let me see if I have this straight... struts don't affect the ride height, the springs right? What springs do you have on the car in the picture at the top of this post?

 

Too bad for Tom I sold my mint front Toks already :}

 

Erica, do you think I'm on track with that idea?

BTW - We worked a few things out over the weekend. Thanks for your support Friday!

 

B&G/Tokico here, I love it.

 

Tom: yay! That is kickazz!

Tokicos in the front would make a less harsh ride, for sure. Or you could try GR2's all around. I like harshness though.

Also, Tom, remember you are on your smaller, wussier tires/wheels now. That makes a big difference in the ride quality!

 

GR2's all around is an idea. But I think they may be valved similar to the AGX's 1 setting. I know the Tok's ride very smooth so I think that may be my base to go on.

I'm in search of the ultimate ride on a lowered max!

 

You may be in luck...I have a brand new set of tokico blue's and sprint springs in the box for sale. The reason why I'm not using them for my maxima is that I am selling my baby. Therefore, I have loads of other stuff for sale as well (CAI, fstb, clears, audio, air horns, HID's)

 

I think you are right. I installed my AGX's about 8K miles ago, and I have noticed that they have gotten stiffer. I did tune them down to 1 (front) and 2 (rear) but it didn't seem to help at all. So I am keeping them at 2(f) and 4(r) since I can't feel a difference. Maybe it's the colder weather NJMAX? I did ride in a 5th gen w/ H&R's and TOKICO's and I must say it does feel like stock. MAN! Don't make me change them again! I have also heard that the AGX's dont' last that long... I could be wrong here but again that's just hear-say

 

So I'm not alone here good. Now the question is do I just change the fronts or switch all 4 corners? Like I said, I do like the adjustablilty on the rear shocks.

I'm thinking of doing the Motorvational mounts in the rear as well when I put the H&R's back in this Spring. Who's got a link for me for those mounts?

Tom

 

http://www.motivational.net/products/shockmounts.shtml

 

NJMAX,

Did you change the mounts when you did the swap originally? I got the KYB AGX Mounts.... Plus does that Motorvational stuff really make a difference? that 1 inch of travel should/would make the H&R's look even lower in the rear, IMHO.

 

My mounts are all OEM and in great shape.
The motorvational rear mounts don't change the ride height, they only extend the shock piston up a bit to give the suspension more travel. Most who have switched over to them report a noticable increase in ride comfort especially over larger bumps.

 

i to here the tokicos are soft, which is exactly what i would want

 

I got you.. That does make more sense about greater travel.
Oh well. If you get them let me know. As far as I'm concerned, I would change them all.. b/c the front will be soft, and rear stiff.... no matter how I adusted it, it all felt the same (not softer, but it got stiffer after 4). It would not get any softer from 1 to 4. Hope this helps tom!

-Fnny

 

AGX are fine from what I hear. Tokicos didn't last long for me though lol. I think the rears lasted 4 months; fronts were ok.

 

I was sure about getting maxspeed\agx combo but now I am having second thoughts...do agx's really not perform well?...just how stiff is the stiffest setting how soft is the softest? anybody else do maxspeed springs....where do you get neuspeed..and b&g? thanks for the help...

 

If you do this soon enough post........cause Im getting new suspension and want a smoother ride with the handling the agx's/B&G have on my 95.......so keep me posted!

 

That should be a fine set up. The I have H&R's and the AGX's and the ride is more stiff that a stock SE. I have the SE package, and I did notice a difference.

I hear that the tokicos don't last as long also, but damn what a nice better than stock ride for an SE Financially, it may not be worth it.

The Stiffest setting is pretty bad (IMHO) but the softest feels a bit stiffer than a stock traveling suspension..

 

HOLD UP!!!!!!!!!!! Because ONE person says "I heard that..." doesn't mean it's true. Do some web searches for research by independent companies to see how AGX's hold up. For example:
Here is the press release about AGX.


I just did a search and came up with a few interesting articles; KYB is well-respected, from what I have seen, and I have never heard of them blowing, actually. Far from the truth with Tokicos.

 

Hey Lime, I did my homework too... Thanks.

And yes, what I meant by I heard that, I should have said what I read. Sorry.

 

hehe it's okay, I just don't want to start unfounded rumors.

http://wac.addr.com/auto/obs/obsjournal.html this guy rally-crosses with AGX.

 

There's no doubt that the AGX's are excellent, BUT, they may be a bit to stiff for some.

The Maxima is a Luxury Sport Sedan, I'd like to keep most of the comfy ride in it. Going the route of Tokico's might just do that. I do see on the org. that rear Toks fail faster then fronts. That's why I'd like to keep the AGX's in the rear and just soften up the front a bit. Besides, I like a nice tight a$$.

 

Hey Tom,

I strongly beleive that the AGX's are very sensitive to extreme temperatures. I have mine set on 1/2 and they feel pretty tight. I know that in the summer when it's really hot the same setting doesn't feel right, I actually crank it up to 2/4 to get the same feel.

I would stick it out with the AGX's. If not I still have my fronts with about 3k miles on them, let me know if you're interested.

 

Well, description of all "performance" gas shocks (Tokico, Koni, KYB) reads something like, "minimal viscosity changes due to temperature."

However, keep in mind that yes, gasses are affected by temperature, so technically this may not be entirely accurate. I really feel no true difference aside from the difference of the tires/wheels I am running for cold weather.

 

Lime you are right w/ the temperature variances affecting the gasses in the shocks. I have a feeling in the spring the car will react differently than the 20 degree weather I've been seeing down here in va... BRRRRRR

Still, the AGX's are a nice shock.

 

I guess my feeling could be somewhat a psychological thing too. I don't know...

 

No, I think the cold definately plays a factor in the shock performance. Sure it's temperature compensated, but for what? To function within xxx specs at x degrees? Show me the specs?

Any shock is going to get a bit tighter in very cold weather. Liquid gets thicker when it gets colder. Additives prevent it from doing so, but only to a point. Temperature compensated, sure OK, the shock rides great from 40 - 125 degrees. There's the temperature compensation.

The AGX's are a firm shock to begin with, now it's 18 degrees out in the morning, how do you think that shock is gonna feel? LIKE A ROCK!

 

mmmmm I like it hard!

 

Dont even wanna touch that comment......

 

I'm digging up this thread because I'll be implementing the H&R/Tokico/AGX/Motivational Mount combo this weekend.

I'll give you guys an update on ride quality by Saturday.

I think I'm going to put a new dash in too. I'm going for Black Marble this time around. Very similar to Acura's dash in the TL-S.