i took a look at that before...but i would consider that more heavily modded

by mildly modded i mean just intake or less (almost stock)
no doubt thats a very good time tho...ill give credit where its due
but its just easier to compare stock or near stock cars than cars with that many mods.

also a 2.01 60' without slicks

 

max420 has one of those VE equipped maximas.....and he is crazzy fast i'm pretty sure he can take on most modded 4th gens(minus S/C of course)

 

What do you mean?

Dude, that is almost stock...

mods
custom intake MAF plate aka: pop charger(intake)
removed silencer(same as above intake)
timing advance(free)
a/c belt removed(free)
hollowed cat(free, classified as exhaust)
2.5 cat back to a opak race type muffler(exhaust)
bored tb to 71 mm. port matched intake manifold(intake FREE)
front lowered 2.5 inches(suspension)
rear 2.0 inches(suspension)(intake)
n/a 3z injectors
chassis lightening to total weight of 2930 lbs.(free)

tire pressure
front 21 psi
rear 39 psi (free)

 

you are confusing a modification with its cost.
you have 12 lines of mods so its obviously not almost stock.
lets look at it this way, a cat back exhaust is $500, suspension is $600
so that passed your $500 mark already.

weight reduction is obviously free. his weight reduction is responsible for cutting 0.2 seconds off his ET. do that to a 4th gen and it will yield the same result.

ok you know what...i don't think we have the same understanding of mildly modded...so lets just compare stock to stock.

also, just so you know, an org member (theblue) ran a 14.2 with intake/ypipe/cat-back and from what i see, no weight reduction, and street tires. i admire what he did, because he ran his car on the track the same way he would on the street.

 

He is one too...

Suspension $600? no cut springs=Free
Catback $500? hell no, $175 custom bent at a muffler shop.

 

 

man...im sorry to say, but those are ghetto mods, no offense
cut springs are just asking for trouble...esp at 2.5 inches!
performance is good though no doubt...just seems like it lacks drivability on the streets. bouncing up and down from the cut springs and sweating without the a/c. no doubt he's also missing some seats with all that weight reduction; the passengers would probably feel uncomfortable.

and im sure he got that 2.01 with stock rubber right?

do you have any stock times for me?

neil, i see you're enjoying the entertainment...lol

 

So what's the big deal?? Looks like you got your answer.

 

the thing is...if you're comparing the two cars, a major advantage of the 4th gen is its power to weight ratio.

now if you turn that advantage into a disadvantage (weight reduction on a 3rd gen, its kind of defeating the purpose of the comparison).

btw...you got mail
i need you're paypal info

 

The 2 motors may have the same displacement, but only a few parts interchange. They are completely different motors. The 4th gen VQ is a much more refined motor. As far as one gen being faster than the other, all you can really go by is tests from Motor Trend or other such mags, because their tests are done in a controlled manner. Every car is tested almost exactly the same way. But, they usually only test one car instead of average the results of several.
Environmental conditions and stock tires can make their numbers vary.

Of course, the true test for the owner is on the street, side by side. The one who wins, wins, no matter what he is driving.

 

He did it with weight reduction. He removed a seat or 2.

DW

 

"Can't we all just get along" said Rodney King?

 

Claiming that Bryan H's run is typical of a VE is lunacy and you know it. How fast is the next fastest VE?

 

JohnnyMax 14.6
Czar 14.8 STOCK
Flyry 14.7
Aaron92se AUTO 14.8
There are a few other that are in the 14s with little modification.

 

Not bad. I raced with Flyry once at an event here in Michigan last summer. Czar's 14.8 stock is most impressive of all besides BryanH's.

 

Oh sweet. How was he?

 

He was running 14.8s if I recall correctly.

 

Man, you are really blinded by 3rd gen "love". I've got an EXCELLENT memory and I happen to personally know Bryan (the guy you referenced), I've raced him, and I got to ride in his 92. The first time I met Bryan we raced from a 30mph roll all the way to 80mph and no one pulled on each other. My mods at the time, HKS intake and muffler. I never got to see Bryan race at the track in his 92, but I have seen a lot of his slips. Most of them were mid to higher 14s with trap speeds in the 94-95mph range. Bryan has admitted my car has a bit more topend than his old 92 because his car rarely ran 95mph+. I'm usually in the 96-97mph range (WITHOUT THE MEVI). The only other 3rd gen I've raced and seen race in Matt93SE. On average, I'm .2-.3 quicker and 2-3mph faster in the topend. Where's this "killer" topend the VE is suppose to have? Aren't I suppose to be getting "walked like a dog"? I plan on getting consistent 98-99 traps and dropping .3 seconds when I get the ECU and can put the MEVI to it's use (it's doing nothing for me 0-80mph right now with a 6500rpm limiter).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking trash on either of these two very nice guys, their sweet 3rd gens, nor am I disgracing the VE in any way. I'm just pointing out these motors aren't the topend "freaks" you say they are. A car that has good topend will show it on the track. The modded 5 speed VEs on average are rarely breaking 94mph in the 1/4 mile. Most modded 5 speed VQs (without MEVIs) are usually 95mph. The MEVI/JWT VQs are now pushing nearly 100mph. Where's this VE topend again?


Dave

 

This top end is there Dave. Just because a couple of owners ran the track and it didnt show much, on day to day you can tell.

Also, my whole point is, tell your VQ buddy's that the VQ will not "MURDER" a VE.

Tell them...Tell them...