Auto tranny drop resistor mod questions
04-14-2003, 06:56 PM
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Auto tranny drop resistor mod questions
Whats the thinnest wire I can safely use? Whats the lowest amp rating switch? I took a look at the wires and they look pretty thin. Maybe 16 or 18 gauge. I know someone recommended a 20a switch. But those are so big. I want to be able to use a small 3A toggle. Is this safe?
How about hooking up some type of micro switch like in the nitrous kits to the resistor? Have normal shifting while regular driving. When you go WOT, have the resistor current disconnected and go full line pressure?
How about hooking up some type of micro switch like in the nitrous kits to the resistor? Have normal shifting while regular driving. When you go WOT, have the resistor current disconnected and go full line pressure?
04-14-2003, 07:30 PM
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16g should be about right. i used speaker wire and didn't have any problems. as for a switch, go with a 10a automotive switch.
your idea about having a window switch isn't a bad idea, but a regular switch would be just as effect and easier to wire.
your idea about having a window switch isn't a bad idea, but a regular switch would be just as effect and easier to wire.
04-14-2003, 07:37 PM
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I beg to differ on the ease of wiring. If you hook up a micro switch to the throttle, no wires have to come in to the cabin. 
I just haven't found any microswitches that have that high of an amp rating. Thanks for the info on the wire and the switch. I guess I'll look for 10 amps. But the WOT switch would be sweet.. =P
I don't know much about relays. I just read up on it quickly on the web. I'm still a bit confused on if one could be used in this application. Any input would be much appreciated.
ZuM
I just haven't found any microswitches that have that high of an amp rating. Thanks for the info on the wire and the switch. I guess I'll look for 10 amps. But the WOT switch would be sweet.. =PI don't know much about relays. I just read up on it quickly on the web. I'm still a bit confused on if one could be used in this application. Any input would be much appreciated.
ZuM
Originally posted by Romeo
16g should be about right. i used speaker wire and didn't have any problems. as for a switch, go with a 10a automotive switch.
your idea about having a window switch isn't a bad idea, but a regular switch would be just as effect and easier to wire.
16g should be about right. i used speaker wire and didn't have any problems. as for a switch, go with a 10a automotive switch.
your idea about having a window switch isn't a bad idea, but a regular switch would be just as effect and easier to wire.
04-15-2003, 06:36 AM
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But I think quite a few people on this board have this mod hooked up to a switch. With my idea the resistor will only be bypassed at WOT.
Originally posted by njmaxseltd
Bypassing the dropping resistor is a sure way to blow up your Automagic. The tranny will shift at full line pressure and go BOOM! It's not designed to shift that way.
Bypassing the dropping resistor is a sure way to blow up your Automagic. The tranny will shift at full line pressure and go BOOM! It's not designed to shift that way.
04-15-2003, 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
But I think quite a few people on this board have this mod hooked up to a switch. With my idea the resistor will only be bypassed at WOT.
But I think quite a few people on this board have this mod hooked up to a switch. With my idea the resistor will only be bypassed at WOT.
Do the math yourself, it's a sure way to blow up your transmission.
Double "A" MCO have their # handy.
04-15-2003, 07:57 AM
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I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
Originally posted by njmaxseltd
WOT = Full engine power + Full line pressure shift on your tranny.
Do the math yourself, it's a sure way to blow up your transmission.
Double "A" MCO have their # handy.
WOT = Full engine power + Full line pressure shift on your tranny.
Do the math yourself, it's a sure way to blow up your transmission.
Double "A" MCO have their # handy.
04-15-2003, 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
You should have nice clean crisp shifts then. The dropping resistor is there to limit line pressure only during the shift. Once the tranny has shifted, it goes full line pressure to hold the clutches together so they don't slip. Again, that happens after the shift is complete.
04-15-2003, 08:12 AM
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The problem is the 1-2 shift isn't as fast as I would like. Maybe I got a bad VB from Don. Who knows. Under normal driving it shifts fast. But not at WOT.
Originally posted by njmaxseltd
You already have the VB mod? You should have nice clean crisp shifts then. The dropping resistor is there to limit line pressure only during the shift. Once the tranny has shifted, it goes full line pressure to hold the clutches together so they don't slip. Again, that happens after the shift is complete.
You already have the VB mod?
You should have nice clean crisp shifts then. The dropping resistor is there to limit line pressure only during the shift. Once the tranny has shifted, it goes full line pressure to hold the clutches together so they don't slip. Again, that happens after the shift is complete.
04-15-2003, 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
04-15-2003, 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by max88q
Ask MZMTG he originally started this mod. You might want to ask him. I even rode in the car with it. Man what a difference. It felt like the vb mod was in it.
Ask MZMTG he originally started this mod. You might want to ask him. I even rode in the car with it. Man what a difference. It felt like the vb mod was in it.
04-15-2003, 08:30 AM
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What I was thinking is.. VB mod makes the tranny shift at say, 70% line pressure. Resistor would make it shift at 100%. I don't think VB+Resistor mod=170%. I think it would still be 100%. I'd essentially end up with a sport mode tranny when at WOT.
5-speed swap might be in the future. But not near future. Job market is too unstable. I don't want to drop such a large chunk of change in to something that isn't broken.
5-speed swap might be in the future. But not near future. Job market is too unstable. I don't want to drop such a large chunk of change in to something that isn't broken.
Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
Yeah, but I don't think Ben has both. Jime has the resistor mod too, but doesn't have the VB mod too. I know that the resistor mod makes a diff, but with the VB mod already in??? I think that's asking for trouble IMO.
Yeah, but I don't think Ben has both. Jime has the resistor mod too, but doesn't have the VB mod too. I know that the resistor mod makes a diff, but with the VB mod already in??? I think that's asking for trouble IMO.
04-15-2003, 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
What I was thinking is.. VB mod makes the tranny shift at say, 70% line pressure. Resistor would make it shift at 100%. I don't think VB+Resistor mod=170%. I think it would still be 100%. I'd essentially end up with a sport mode tranny when at WOT.
5-speed swap might be in the future. But not near future. Job market is too unstable. I don't want to drop such a large chunk of change in to something that isn't broken.
What I was thinking is.. VB mod makes the tranny shift at say, 70% line pressure. Resistor would make it shift at 100%. I don't think VB+Resistor mod=170%. I think it would still be 100%. I'd essentially end up with a sport mode tranny when at WOT.
5-speed swap might be in the future. But not near future. Job market is too unstable. I don't want to drop such a large chunk of change in to something that isn't broken.
04-15-2003, 08:45 AM
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The reason I started thinking about the WOT switch was because I didn't want to worry about accidently flipping the switch. Or if someone else drives the car, them accidently flipping the switch. Why wouldn't you want full line pressure if you're going WOT anyways? Were you suggesting a arming switch on top of the WOT switch? Kinda like a valet mode?
Originally posted by Jime
I believe you are correct, max line pressure is max line pressure. I like your idea about the WOT switch but I think I would still like the manual switch as well so I can turn it off, otherwise it will always go to full line pressure at WOT and I really only use it at the track.
I believe you are correct, max line pressure is max line pressure. I like your idea about the WOT switch but I think I would still like the manual switch as well so I can turn it off, otherwise it will always go to full line pressure at WOT and I really only use it at the track.
04-15-2003, 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
What I was thinking is.. VB mod makes the tranny shift at say, 70% line pressure. Resistor would make it shift at 100%. I don't think VB+Resistor mod=170%. I think it would still be 100%. I'd essentially end up with a sport mode tranny when at WOT.
5-speed swap might be in the future. But not near future. Job market is too unstable. I don't want to drop such a large chunk of change in to something that isn't broken.
What I was thinking is.. VB mod makes the tranny shift at say, 70% line pressure. Resistor would make it shift at 100%. I don't think VB+Resistor mod=170%. I think it would still be 100%. I'd essentially end up with a sport mode tranny when at WOT.
5-speed swap might be in the future. But not near future. Job market is too unstable. I don't want to drop such a large chunk of change in to something that isn't broken.
04-15-2003, 08:50 AM
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70% is just a number I pulled out of thin air. I have no idea how much the VB bumps up the line pressure. I would think the stock shifting line pressure is pretty low since its so buttery.
Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
I follow and agree with what you're saying, except for the 70% part. Where are you getting that figure?
I follow and agree with what you're saying, except for the 70% part. Where are you getting that figure?
04-15-2003, 02:23 PM
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the debate is out on if it causes long term drive train problems because of the excess power being shifted through the transmission. Lime is correct in saying it does not cause problems if only used once in awhile. obviously this is not something you use to drive around town in.
Zumble: does the VB work in the same way the drop resistor does? i believe they both apply more line pressure to the shifts. basicially its similar to Maxximum Tuning's VB mod. they have a street and track configuration. the drop resistor is more similar to the track configuration.
Zumble: does the VB work in the same way the drop resistor does? i believe they both apply more line pressure to the shifts. basicially its similar to Maxximum Tuning's VB mod. they have a street and track configuration. the drop resistor is more similar to the track configuration.
04-15-2003, 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
The reason I started thinking about the WOT switch was because I didn't want to worry about accidently flipping the switch. Or if someone else drives the car, them accidently flipping the switch. Why wouldn't you want full line pressure if you're going WOT anyways? Were you suggesting a arming switch on top of the WOT switch? Kinda like a valet mode?
The reason I started thinking about the WOT switch was because I didn't want to worry about accidently flipping the switch. Or if someone else drives the car, them accidently flipping the switch. Why wouldn't you want full line pressure if you're going WOT anyways? Were you suggesting a arming switch on top of the WOT switch? Kinda like a valet mode?
I don'k like the switch at the track because I have to remember to turn it on and off all the time and its just one more thing to forget. I don't like using it at part throttle so the WOT switch will be fine. Thanks for the idea.
04-15-2003, 09:07 PM
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Works out for you because you engage the nitrous with your hand right? You can probably use the microswitch that came with your NX kit.
Originally posted by Jime
Ya, you are right its not that often I go WOT anywhere but the track so its probably ok.
I don'k like the switch at the track because I have to remember to turn it on and off all the time and its just one more thing to forget. I don't like using it at part throttle so the WOT switch will be fine. Thanks for the idea.
Ya, you are right its not that often I go WOT anywhere but the track so its probably ok.
I don'k like the switch at the track because I have to remember to turn it on and off all the time and its just one more thing to forget. I don't like using it at part throttle so the WOT switch will be fine. Thanks for the idea.
04-16-2003, 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by maxima8624
Any link to for this mod instruction?? I found few instructions, but they weren't as clear that a newbie(look under my SN) can understand. so......any link??
-john
Any link to for this mod instruction?? I found few instructions, but they weren't as clear that a newbie(look under my SN) can understand. so......any link??
-john
04-16-2003, 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
I do have a modded VB in there now. I'm not sure if it goes full line pressure though. Maybe you're right.
Maybe you should contact the people at mobile tek and ask them if the mod bumps up the line pressure...rather then just guessing.
04-16-2003, 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
70% is just a number I pulled out of thin air. I have no idea how much the VB bumps up the line pressure. I would think the stock shifting line pressure is pretty low since its so buttery.
70% is just a number I pulled out of thin air. I have no idea how much the VB bumps up the line pressure. I would think the stock shifting line pressure is pretty low since its so buttery.
I do think that if you are going the resistor route, a window type switch would be pretty cool to have since it would allow only WOT engagement.
Way to use the ol noggin'....
04-16-2003, 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
I have never seen, riden in, or tried the resistor mod myself. I do have experience with the VB mod since I've had it for over a year now. I can't imagine that the resistor mod makes it hit any harder than the VB mod.
I have never seen, riden in, or tried the resistor mod myself. I do have experience with the VB mod since I've had it for over a year now. I can't imagine that the resistor mod makes it hit any harder than the VB mod.
From what I have heard the VB mod is somewhat less than full line pressure but what % I have no idea.
04-16-2003, 12:05 PM
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I went to radio shack. Got the microswitch and a relay. I may try to hook all this up tonight or tomorrow. =) I'll tell you how it goes.
ZuM
ZuM
Originally posted by Jime
I am just the opposite I have never seen, riden in or tried the VB Mod but I do know this. The drop resisitor mod could not be used for daily driving it hits that hard, even a very low throttle.
From what I have heard the VB mod is somewhat less than full line pressure but what % I have no idea.
I am just the opposite I have never seen, riden in or tried the VB Mod but I do know this. The drop resisitor mod could not be used for daily driving it hits that hard, even a very low throttle.
From what I have heard the VB mod is somewhat less than full line pressure but what % I have no idea.
04-16-2003, 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
I went to radio shack. Got the microswitch and a relay. I may try to hook all this up tonight or tomorrow. =) I'll tell you how it goes.
ZuM
I went to radio shack. Got the microswitch and a relay. I may try to hook all this up tonight or tomorrow. =) I'll tell you how it goes.
ZuM
04-16-2003, 07:20 PM
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I have the relay and switch all wired and soldered ready to go in to the car. Problem is that I don't know how I can mount the microswitch! I tried to find some flexible metal material from home depot but no luck. Any ideas?
04-17-2003, 06:52 AM
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Anyone know if this will work? I'm wondering if the mounting plate will work for our cars.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...411098002&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...411098002&rd=1
04-17-2003, 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
Anyone know if this will work? I'm wondering if the mounting plate will work for our cars.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...411098002&rd=1
Anyone know if this will work? I'm wondering if the mounting plate will work for our cars.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...411098002&rd=1
04-17-2003, 07:12 AM
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Sounds good. I have a radio shack dual position relay hooked up to the drop resistor right now. It's holding up fine in the closed position. I put the relay in the front relay box by the driverside headlamp. No problems, the car is shifting normally. I'm going to see if I can get that WOT switch. When I apply 12v to the relay, it should disconnect the drop resistor. =) I think you said the OD light flashes when the resistor is disconnected? So we get visual dashboard confirmation when the mod is in use =)
Originally posted by Jime
Yes it will work, its a standard adaptor that they use, I think the NOS one was the same.
Yes it will work, its a standard adaptor that they use, I think the NOS one was the same.
04-17-2003, 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
Sounds good. I have a radio shack dual position relay hooked up to the drop resistor right now. It's holding up fine in the closed position. I put the relay in the front relay box by the driverside headlamp. No problems, the car is shifting normally. I'm going to see if I can get that WOT switch. When I apply 12v to the relay, it should disconnect the drop resistor. =) I think you said the OD light flashes when the resistor is disconnected? So we get visual dashboard confirmation when the mod is in use =)
Sounds good. I have a radio shack dual position relay hooked up to the drop resistor right now. It's holding up fine in the closed position. I put the relay in the front relay box by the driverside headlamp. No problems, the car is shifting normally. I'm going to see if I can get that WOT switch. When I apply 12v to the relay, it should disconnect the drop resistor. =) I think you said the OD light flashes when the resistor is disconnected? So we get visual dashboard confirmation when the mod is in use =)
04-17-2003, 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Jime
probably feminine, so its not reliable to check but you sure know when it shifts.
probably feminine, so its not reliable to check but you sure know when it shifts.
Jime, was your CEL also like this? there are times when i'd use it and the CEL would come on and then randomly turn off sometime later and other times when i use it, it doesnt turn on and if it did, it would be later on in the day. of course i'd only leave it on for 30 seconds at the most.
04-17-2003, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Romeo
Jime, was your CEL also like this? there are times when i'd use it and the CEL would come on and then randomly turn off sometime later and other times when i use it, it doesnt turn on and if it did, it would be later on in the day. of course i'd only leave it on for 30 seconds at the most.
Jime, was your CEL also like this? there are times when i'd use it and the CEL would come on and then randomly turn off sometime later and other times when i use it, it doesnt turn on and if it did, it would be later on in the day. of course i'd only leave it on for 30 seconds at the most.
04-20-2003, 09:00 PM
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Okay guys, I won the auction for the NX WOT switch. I need to know where to run power for the relay signal. I'm probably going to use the WOT to provide ground to the relay. Right now I have the relay hooked straight up to the positive terminal of the battery. Probably not a good idea in the long term right? The wires for the signal terminals in the relay look really wimpy.
04-20-2003, 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
The reason I started thinking about the WOT switch was because I didn't want to worry about accidently flipping the switch. Or if someone else drives the car, them accidently flipping the switch. Why wouldn't you want full line pressure if you're going WOT anyways? Were you suggesting a arming switch on top of the WOT switch? Kinda like a valet mode?
The reason I started thinking about the WOT switch was because I didn't want to worry about accidently flipping the switch. Or if someone else drives the car, them accidently flipping the switch. Why wouldn't you want full line pressure if you're going WOT anyways? Were you suggesting a arming switch on top of the WOT switch? Kinda like a valet mode?
04-20-2003, 09:16 PM
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For those guys trying to compare the max tuning vb mod and the resistor, it's like this
I currently have a Stage III VB from max tuning... 1-2 is snappy, but not neck wrenching, 2-3 is slightly quicker, but still sorta laggy... but definately an improvement.
I'm also boosted.
I pulled the drop resistor and did a full run to 130ish? before i got scared...
I spun/chirped 1-2 hard. 2-3, chirped hard.... 3-4(OD?) Didn't notice, was scared ****less driving on the highway.
Either way, the feel that I get between the two shifts is this. If you want quicker shifts, resistor mod hands down. The thing is, when my tranny shifted, it didn't feel right... the tranny just literally slammed into the next gear, throwing the car forward... it sorta just went "clunk" into the next gear.
If I were to actually do this switch mod, it'd be a track only mod. There's no way I could possibly drive at full line pressure through all gears.... with the vb mod, the higher the rpm, the harder/quicker the shift. With the resistor, you can be at 1500 rpm, or 6300, and it shifts just as hard.
One thing to note though, it's probably better for the tranny to have full line pressure in 2-3, and 3-4(if i actually need to shift that high at the track) because the vb isn't as quick as the resistor mod in those shifts.
Yeah yeah, i'll convert soon.
I currently have a Stage III VB from max tuning... 1-2 is snappy, but not neck wrenching, 2-3 is slightly quicker, but still sorta laggy... but definately an improvement.
I'm also boosted.
I pulled the drop resistor and did a full run to 130ish? before i got scared...
I spun/chirped 1-2 hard. 2-3, chirped hard.... 3-4(OD?) Didn't notice, was scared ****less driving on the highway.
Either way, the feel that I get between the two shifts is this. If you want quicker shifts, resistor mod hands down. The thing is, when my tranny shifted, it didn't feel right... the tranny just literally slammed into the next gear, throwing the car forward... it sorta just went "clunk" into the next gear.
If I were to actually do this switch mod, it'd be a track only mod. There's no way I could possibly drive at full line pressure through all gears.... with the vb mod, the higher the rpm, the harder/quicker the shift. With the resistor, you can be at 1500 rpm, or 6300, and it shifts just as hard.
One thing to note though, it's probably better for the tranny to have full line pressure in 2-3, and 3-4(if i actually need to shift that high at the track) because the vb isn't as quick as the resistor mod in those shifts.
Yeah yeah, i'll convert soon.
04-20-2003, 10:08 PM
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Not using a manual switch. Using a relay and a WOT switch.
Originally posted by irishmoyni
I put my switch right inside the panel where the fuses are, right under the steering wheel that way no-1 will acidently or intentionally mess with.
I put my switch right inside the panel where the fuses are, right under the steering wheel that way no-1 will acidently or intentionally mess with.