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Old Jun 21, 2003 | 11:28 PM
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first gear ?

ok when i try to start from a stop in 1st, sometimes it seems that i have to let off the clutch to the beginning of the friction point and kinda leave it there and then slowly "slip" it up to get going (using no gas)

other times, the clutch seems "normal" and i get let up quicker

i cant seem to figure out why this is, but its really annoying because i keep stalling when it happens, and it'll be that way for a while, then itll be fine for a while

any clues
Old Jun 24, 2003 | 11:27 AM
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Old Jun 24, 2003 | 02:32 PM
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Re: first gear ?

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ok when i try to start from a stop in 1st, sometimes it seems that i have to let off the clutch to the beginning of the friction point and kinda leave it there and then slowly "slip" it up to get going (using no gas)

other times, the clutch seems "normal" and i get let up quicker

i cant seem to figure out why this is, but its really annoying because i keep stalling when it happens, and it'll be that way for a while, then itll be fine for a while

any clues
how many miles on the clutch? u may have a bad clutch or the slave or master cylinder may be bad.... and when ur bringing it up with no gas u should have to go slowly at the grabbing point...
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:02 AM
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clutch is only a few months old

but what i am trying to say is i have to go release at different speeds sometimes when releasing first gear even on level surfaces
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:09 AM
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hmm has it been like this since u got the clutch installed?
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:36 AM
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Was the flywheel resurfaced when the clutch was replaced? What about the fluid for the clutch(next to the brake fluid reservoir)? These are my two guesses.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:50 AM
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ummm...i cant remember when the problem started...i just started with a 5spd and basically taught myself. within a couple of months the clutch started to go and i drove on it bad for a while.

yes, the flywheel was resurfaced.

i will check clutch fluid tonite. should i try to bleed the clutch lines? never done this before but i just bought a haynes last nite and may be able to give it a go.

thanks for the replies
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 01:36 PM
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nismos...yes i do believe it happened with the old clutch also if i remember correctly
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yeah i would definately say bleed the clutch also check in the faq about the clutch self adjustment / moving. that might be the problem cuz it seems like ur clutch is grabbing at different points at various times, right?
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 03:11 PM
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nismos...actually i came on just to post that the clutch was grabbing real high today...annoying cause i kept stalling

ill check the faq, i remember there being something about clutch automatically adjusting, but i thought that meaant the peddle actually moved to different heights not the friction point
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good luck bud, i hope u can figure this sucker out!
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:31 PM
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Re: first gear ?

Originally posted by wrongway15
ok when i try to start from a stop in 1st, sometimes it seems that i have to let off the clutch to the beginning of the friction point and kinda leave it there and then slowly "slip" it up to get going (using no gas)

other times, the clutch seems "normal" and i get let up quicker

i cant seem to figure out why this is, but its really annoying because i keep stalling when it happens, and it'll be that way for a while, then itll be fine for a while

any clues
i don't understand what's actually wrong with your car...
it seems okay to me...
about the stalling, you're letting the clutch out too fast without enough throttle.
instead of remembering where you should feel the friction point, just let it happen...and get a feel for the car and adjust your driving techniques to suit it.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:56 PM
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similar thing happens to me with my act when its real hot out, i have to rev to like 1.5k or the car bogs down, a friend of mines told me its cause the motors hot and the short ram in 90 degree weather doesn't help.
Old Jun 27, 2003 | 04:56 PM
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ok well i cant get the master clutch bleeder opened due to corrosion and can barely reach the lower one....

i cant get the clutch engagement adjustment to move cause its a cramped space up there (damn adjustable wrench)

this sux cause my clutch is being a PITA
Old Jun 27, 2003 | 05:00 PM
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Re: Re: first gear ?

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i don't understand what's actually wrong with your car...
it seems okay to me...
about the stalling, you're letting the clutch out too fast without enough throttle.
instead of remembering where you should feel the friction point, just let it happen...and get a feel for the car and adjust your driving techniques to suit it.
i dont understand whats wrong either...

i usually use no throttle when starting from stops for normal driving...i dont want to replace the clutch again.

the friction point should stay the same and not move tho
Old Jun 27, 2003 | 06:42 PM
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Re: Re: Re: first gear ?

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i dont understand whats wrong either...

i usually use no throttle when starting from stops for normal driving...i dont want to replace the clutch again.

the friction point should stay the same and not move tho
hmm...ok well...i launch off of idle...but i do apply gas at the friction point
kind of letting the clutch up as i depress the gas pedal

our clutch is self adjusting...so things might change...but VERY VERY little and very gradually...not enough to notice a difference
Old Jun 27, 2003 | 09:51 PM
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Yea... I agree with Dev. I think its strictly human error, not a mechanical one. You even stated that you are learning how to drive a manual. The same symptoms that you describe happened to me when I first started to learn. The friction point should stay the same (relatively), but the way you position your feet could make a difference. I always thought the point shifted as well, but it was because I was using different parts of my feet to press the pedal. When you start in first, you should give it a little gas a well when you feel it grabbing... if you dont, and let go too fast, you wont have enough power to spin anything... therefore you stall. (i think)... well, good luck.
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