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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 02:15 PM
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New Intake Option!!!

Did I get your attention? I am almost done with a new prototype intake system for the fourth gens that I hope to be marketing in my new custom parts line. I should be done with it today, just in time to test it out at the track Sunday at the Alabama Maxima meet. It's not cold hair it's not hot air, can you say ram air? I have already noticed gains over my HAI without having it finished. Anyway keep checking back, I "should" have pics up later today.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 02:28 PM
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I'd like to see this.. bump
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 03:25 PM
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sweeeeeeet get them thar pics up any price range on this?
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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Keep us posted.... and by ram air does that mean that a hood scoop is involved?
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 03:37 PM
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Woe... lets see it. My wallet is ready.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 04:55 PM
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OK HERE YA GO
Here it is this IS NOT a finished product, I kinda messed the paint up because i am too impatient. Also there is a vent into the fender well that you can not see. This design incorporates a cool air intake, heat sheild and remove the headlight and you have a ram air for drag racing.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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Looks ok. The only prob i see is your putting the intake directly behind the headlight. No one wants to take there head light out and it seems that you have like this sheild aroud the intake to guide all the possible air that it could get to it, But the headlights in the way. anyway my 2 cents.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by plurco
OK HERE YA GO
Here it is this IS NOT a finished product, I kinda messed the paint up because i am too impatient. Also there is a vent into the fender well that you can not see. This design incorporates a cool air intake, heat sheild and remove the headlight and you have a ram air for drag racing.
like the craftsmanship.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 05:04 PM
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Looks ok. The only prob i see is your putting the intake directly behind the headlight. No one wants to take there head light out and it seems that you have like this sheild aroud the intake to guide all the possible air that it could get to it, But the headlights in the way. anyway my 2 cents.
As I said there is a vent to the side that you cannot see. This gets air from the fender well, the came place the CAI's get there air. As far as the not wanting to take the headlight out. Tell all the mustang, VW, Audi, and BMW guys that. Like I said it is for racing only, I don't expect anyone to go around without a headlight.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 05:05 PM
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 05:26 PM
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As I said there is a vent to the side that you cannot see. This gets air from the fender well, the came place the CAI's get there air. As far as the not wanting to take the headlight out. Tell all the mustang, VW, Audi, and BMW guys that. Like I said it is for racing only, I don't expect anyone to go around without a headlight.
ahh , then i see. looks good, for only racing though.
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That looks good! How much do you think this kit will cost?
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by bobjohnson


ahh , then i see. looks good, for only racing though.
no it is for everyday drining as well. With the headlight in place it draws cooler air from the fender well.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 06:26 PM
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Just cut a giant hole in your hood and put on a hood scoop right over it and the hot air cone and you have better gains. I'm looking for a new hood and will do it sometime...
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by ZuMBLe
That looks good! How much do you think this kit will cost?
I am trying to do this whole kit (includeing battery relocate kit) for around $250-$275 I just have to iron out a few details on where to get a couple things done. also the heat sheild may very well end up being made of Fibergalss rather than Metal. I am really gauging interest right now seeing if this will be worth it.
I will also have some 1/4 mile #'s first of next week.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 06:43 PM
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i dig it =]. how much. whats the ease of installation? and dyno your results please =]
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 06:48 PM
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:19 PM
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I think that looks pretty good and well made. I would like to see and intake made for a hood with a hood scope. Why don't forth gens have any aggressive hoods.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:23 PM
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we'll i'll admit that ht eheat sheild is very ruff. you can save the pics and zoom in on them and see lotsa dents, imperfections and scratches and such. Mainly I built this to see if the idea is worthwild.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:29 PM
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If you can show some good gains from this, then I'd say you could be on to something, and should have a decent market for them.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:38 PM
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This reminds me of the cold-airbox system that was being developed by Weapon R a while back, but as far as I know hasn't come to fruition ( Ihaven't bothered checking the site recently). Keep us informed.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 07:40 PM
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Be sure I will.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:23 PM
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Can't wait til see the final project.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:30 PM
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Hopefuly with the help of MZMTG, we will be able to ofer everyone a line of products that you can find nowhere else.
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 10:41 PM
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YOu should bring the box part up and offer a custom hood
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:16 PM
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its a great idea - hopefully it'll give some nice gains, dynos with the headlight on and the headlight off will be nice too
Old Jun 25, 2003 | 11:33 PM
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Yeah, looks pretty good for daytime use but nightime...forget it. U might as well put a heat element in the TB. Those headlights burn hot as heck especially if ur runnin higher wattage bulbs. Good idea though!
Old Jun 26, 2003 | 12:16 AM
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I think that even with the headlight in place, air will travel thru the spaces around it and the scoop should be able to catch it all! I'm sure the amount of air that goes in (with the headlight in) should amount the same as the stock scoop, until you pop off the headlight to go drag racing. I'm also doing something to improve the existing stock intake setup on the 95 maxima but I need to dyno my car first before starting the project so that I have something to compare the end result to after it's all done. My project will retain all stock components except for the intake resonator. And I'll be adding another tube into the airbox to draw air from the fender well. The parts should cost me less than $10 as I'd only need a couple of plastic PVC piping from Home Depot and some heater hose clamps. You can opt to replace your paper air filter for a K&N drop-in to improve the air flow, which I would be doing on mine. I figured I'd go this route first before spending a couple of hundreds on aftermarket intake kits that might yield identical results.
Old Jun 26, 2003 | 06:11 AM
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Air travels through there like a ***** with the right openings. I have an Injen intake and it doesn't get incredibly cool air, so one thing I did is lift up the car and removed the shield at the bottom of the car. I modified it by cutting a hole and making it kinda like an underscoop thing (I kept the piece so i can re-attach for when it rains.) I put window screen on it as to prevent rocks and junk from getting into the engine bay although It will get dirtier)

Assuming you don't have an Injen, there is enough room to fit the same diameter of piping through there and down towards that underscoop. That would be a lot of material for your project, but why not make a sealable cut-out on the side that will allow you to temporarily rig heat resistant vaccuum hosing for when you're racing. Since you're just re-directing airflow, the whole rig doesn't need to be air-tight.

Also, if you take off your bumper lights, you will notice that air can easily make its way through that area so lack of air is not a problem in that vicinity.

You have a real fine idea... I just hope there's an air filter in there somewhere With all that airflow, you'll also need to clean that filter often.

One extra suggestion (that would be easier to do with fiberglass), why not make an extra inlet in the shape of the stock RAM scoop that sits under the hood. You can even use the stock part to make the mold, thus making your life a lot easier.. and the best part is that it'll already help hold it in place because of the stock fasteners.

I have attached a picture showing mine.. i chopped off the rest using a dremel tool. That scoop thing is the one i'm talking about.
Old Jun 26, 2003 | 06:21 AM
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I just don't know how much air that thing really captures. I mean there is hardly any crack there at all. When I take the intake apart again I will take pics of the fresh air inlet that i cut into the fender well.
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the more air the merrier. I remember someone posted once that Nissan put that thing there for some type of significant reason. Also, when you took the stock intake apart... did you notice that tube that had to be pryed off towards the bottom of the engine bay under the battery mount? It looks like air might find it's way through there.

Like I said, you can stay with your normal design to keep costs low but leave like a spot where you can open a 2.5" diameter hole so you can plug in pvc pipes or hoses or any junk you can get for cheap. After purchasing the original setup, everyone can make their own network of air inlets. The beauty part is that you can make it a midpipe, cold air injen style, cold air place racing style, or the ram air setup. A fully customizable intake system for around $200 would be pretty neat.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll make a 3D animation of my added airflow tubing just for kicks.. very simple animation.
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I made a couple improvements today, repainted it and tweaked a couple things. (I will take pics soon. I also found a great way to supply air to the filter with the headlight in. If you look under the long fuse box locates at the left front of the engine compartment you see an aprox. 6"x3" opening that a loom of wires run through. This is the fresh air vent that I have been speaking of. First off just removing the debris cover on the right front underside of the car (under the foglight) this
supplies a large amount of air to the fender well which provides more air
to the vent. BUT, if you took a 3-4 inch rigid metal dryer hose and ran it from the vent to the underside of the car and attached it to some sort of a collector then you would effectively have a ram air CAI. You can also run this hose to the foglight opening if you do not have fogs. I plan on doing this soon. (It's over an hour to the rearest home depot)
But I will do this and I will post pics.
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Sorry can't market it. I already have a patent on it.
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patent.. nice.. so Fast Lane sells that exact same device?

Cuz that picture and plurco's product is nowhere near as similar as PR is to Bomz.
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nice work man... hella custom rite there
Old Jun 28, 2003 | 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by NightRider
Sorry can't market it. I already have a patent on it.
a patent on what placement of a filter? surely you are joking. or maybe you are talking about the collector? The only way I could see this being a patend issue is of the two products were exactly alike. which I doubt they are.
Hell I have not even done enough research to see if this could be a viable product.
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Originally posted by plurco
a patent on what placement of a filter? surely you are joking. or maybe you are talking about the collector? The only way I could see this being a patend issue is of the two products were exactly alike. which I doubt they are.
Hell I have not even done enough research to see if this could be a viable product.

Oh don't worry about it guy... just get like a few hundred made and say that they're just prototypes and then just sell them as if you're privately selling some junk that you don't need anymore
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Sorry can't market it. I already have a patent on it.
What are the Patent numbers?
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He probably has the numbers.. it's just a question of whether or not what he has a patent for is the same design as plurco's. Judging from the posted "patented" product, they only look the same in lo-res. Either way, plurco's main marketed product would be that shield and other rigs that helps draw in cooler and greater amounts of air.



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