VE 5speed into 4th gen???
10-10-2003, 05:51 PM
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VE 5speed into 4th gen???
Has anyone ever tried to put the 5 speed from the 3rd gen VE into the 4th gen maxima? Its going to be my new project. The part numbers match, so I think this will work out. All VE 5 speeds have LSD. Gear ratios are all the same, except for reverse.
Thoughts? Comments?
Thoughts? Comments?
10-10-2003, 06:16 PM
#5
well, I have the VE tranny, and it was FREE, and i think that its the same tranny as the 4th gen so thats where i am. This transmission just kinda fell in my lap so you gotta work with what you got.
10-10-2003, 06:38 PM
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I'm only speculating, but I'd bet that the tranny would bolt right up to the engine and the clutch would mate. But,there might be axle shaft length or spline differences. Although the gen 5 trans does fit and people have done it. Going from 4th gen open diff 5 speeds to VLSD equipped models from gen 4 or 5 require the drivers side axle from the VLSD trans, but you probably know that. Best of luck with the project and post the forum when you find out! I'd try it too if it was free and I had a spare weekend!
10-10-2003, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kevlo911
89+ have same tranny's 5speed and auto. so it should work just fine
(02+ have drive by wire, so there will be issues)
(02+ have drive by wire, so there will be issues)
10-10-2003, 07:14 PM
#10
Originally Posted by happyricefob
IMO, consider from the budget perspective, it'll worth more going for SC or turbo over any type of engine swap...
like I said above i'm only swapping the TRANNY. my auto tranny for the VLSD 5speed
10-10-2003, 07:16 PM
#11
Originally Posted by sweetdaddy
I'm only speculating, but I'd bet that the tranny would bolt right up to the engine and the clutch would mate. But,there might be axle shaft length or spline differences. Although the gen 5 trans does fit and people have done it. Going from 4th gen open diff 5 speeds to VLSD equipped models from gen 4 or 5 require the drivers side axle from the VLSD trans, but you probably know that. Best of luck with the project and post the forum when you find out! I'd try it too if it was free and I had a spare weekend!
It makes it easier to have a lift at my disposal. not to mention the tranny jacks and other specialty tools. I'll be putting together a how-to if this works out.
10-11-2003, 06:21 AM
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I brought my tranny to work one day while I was replacing the clutch at home, and used the parts washer to clean some the tranny up some. Then just the other day I helped Marcdown20 carry his tranny home from work, and in comparison mine felt much heavier (or at least more cumbersom and harder to carry).
That's really the only comparison I've been able to do on the two transmissions. If you didn't already have the VE tranny, I would have said try grabing an I30t tranny. But now I'm just curious of the outcome of the project, so keep it up.
That's really the only comparison I've been able to do on the two transmissions. If you didn't already have the VE tranny, I would have said try grabing an I30t tranny. But now I'm just curious of the outcome of the project, so keep it up.
10-11-2003, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
I hope you're not wanting VLSD because you think it will improve straightline traction.
Dave
Dave
who said anything about straightline traction
I fully understand the differences between limited slip diferentials.
10-11-2003, 11:22 AM
#21
Originally Posted by 1FSTMAX
It's stronger. 
How many ppl have you heard blowing trannies on 5th gens?
How many ppl have you heard blowing trannies on 5th gens?
10-11-2003, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IwANnAMaX96
Umm...you can strengthen the one you already have for the same amount of money. Look at Hal putting down almost 500 WHP.
10-11-2003, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by IwANnAMaX96
Umm...you can strengthen the one you already have for the same amount of money. Look at Hal putting down almost 500 WHP.
It's just a matter of time before the one he has blows.
10-11-2003, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IwANnAMaX96
Ok...well I just was responding to this guy...
slizan99, When you get it done, please tell us all about it. It may be easier and cheaper to find A VE 5speed than An I30 one. (for people that really want VLSD)
10-11-2003, 01:32 PM
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VE 5 speeds aren't the most common car on the road, so there may still be a lot of searching for those interested in a VE tranny. I personally haven't seen any for sale in my area. And I haven't met too many people who drive VE 5 speeds in this area either.
10-11-2003, 02:17 PM
#27
Originally Posted by z-dan
i thought you were, thats why i said the original poster. sorry didn't mean to offend you.
slizan99, When you get it done, please tell us all about it. It may be easier and cheaper to find A VE 5speed than An I30 one. (for people that really want VLSD)
slizan99, When you get it done, please tell us all about it. It may be easier and cheaper to find A VE 5speed than An I30 one. (for people that really want VLSD)
10-11-2003, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FSTMAX
It's stronger. How many ppl have you heard blowing trannies on 5th gens?
How many ppl have you heard blowing trannies on 5th gens?That's a pretty weak argument. The only reason people blow their 4th gen trannies is because they run an ACT clutch. The 5th gen 5 speeds were only available for 2 years and much fewer 5 speed 5th gens are out there. We have very few 5 speed 5th gen owners in the Org and only a couple have the ACT clutches compared to the much larger number of 4th gen owners in here.
Dave
10-12-2003, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
That's a pretty weak argument. The only reason people blow their 4th gen trannies is because they run an ACT clutch. The 5th gen 5 speeds were only available for 2 years and much fewer 5 speed 5th gens are out there. We have very few 5 speed 5th gen owners in the Org and only a couple have the ACT clutches compared to the much larger number of 4th gen owners in here.
Dave
Dave
i was thinking the same thing, very good point.
10-12-2003, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
That's a pretty weak argument. The only reason people blow their 4th gen trannies is because they run an ACT clutch. The 5th gen 5 speeds were only available for 2 years and much fewer 5 speed 5th gens are out there. We have very few 5 speed 5th gen owners in the Org and only a couple have the ACT clutches compared to the much larger number of 4th gen owners in here.
Dave
Dave
I understand your point, but I know of 1 5th gen that is running a 8 puck clutch with no problems.
10-12-2003, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
That's a pretty weak argument. The only reason people blow their 4th gen trannies is because they run an ACT clutch. The 5th gen 5 speeds were only available for 2 years and much fewer 5 speed 5th gens are out there. We have very few 5 speed 5th gen owners in the Org and only a couple have the ACT clutches compared to the much larger number of 4th gen owners in here.
Dave
Dave
I had heard that Nissan had caught up to the faulty diff bearing shim clearance problem from the factory by time the 5th gen 5 speeds came out. Don't know the accuracy of this, but I was under the impression they had less of these problems. Makes sense though, as a lot of 4th gen cars would be getting up in age and mileage by this time and exibiting the diff bearing burnout syndrome, so maybe Nissan took action by then. If that's the case, it wouldn't be a false claim that they're stronger.
Another reason to get a 5th gen 5spd trans (if you can), is that they are likely to have less mileage. I have a 5th gen 2001 AE VLSD 5spd on order from a boneyard with 29k on it. At 15k/yr I believe it too.
10-12-2003, 04:43 PM
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The VE is an iron block, the VQ is an aluminum block. When the 95 Maxima came out, it weighed 100 lbs LESS than the 94 Maxima SE it was replacing. And, the 4th gen is bigger yet just as fast. So, if you put a VE in your engine bay, you are automatically ADDING 100 lbs that you have to compensate somehow to get the magic power to weigh ratio of the 4th gen back. Uphill battle. I say stick with the VQ and simply work it. People with VE 3rd gens should be looking into putting VQs in their engine bay.
By the way, I love the way you blackened the 5th gen rims onto your 4th gen. Sweet.
DW
By the way, I love the way you blackened the 5th gen rims onto your 4th gen. Sweet.
DW
10-12-2003, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dwapenyi
The VE is an iron block, the VQ is an aluminum block. When the 95 Maxima came out, it weighed 100 lbs LESS than the 94 Maxima SE it was replacing. And, the 4th gen is bigger yet just as fast. So, if you put a VE in your engine bay, you are automatically ADDING 100 lbs that you have to compensate somehow to get the magic power to weigh ratio of the 4th gen back. Uphill battle. I say stick with the VQ and simply work it. People with VE 3rd gens should be looking into putting VQs in their engine bay.
By the way, I love the way you blackened the 5th gen rims onto your 4th gen. Sweet.
DW
By the way, I love the way you blackened the 5th gen rims onto your 4th gen. Sweet.
DW
wned: VE 5 speed here with 273,000+ miles long live the VE.
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