THE independant foglight rewire *UPDATED*
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THE independant foglight rewire *UPDATED*
edit: writeup with pictures here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/590995
I know this has been over many times, but I finally got my foglights working how I wanted them to be. Independant of everything, and not when car is off. Only when key is turned.
This is not the same as the foglight rewire which taps into the corner light. This only requires 3-4 inches of wire, which does not leave the fuse box. This is very simple and takes approximately 5-10 minutes to do.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
Here is the correct way. --
This was done on a 95 SE, so if anything on your car is different, you may need to do further research (as far as wire colors, relay locations etc.) however I'm not positive, as my car is the only one I've personally done this on. Do this mod at your own risk, as I'm not responsible for anything that you do wrong. Forgive my rambling, I'm not the best at write-ups. anyways people here it is...
STEP:
1. Disconnect the positive terminal of the battery (precationary, so that we don't screw up our electrical system.) The oem nut is 10mm.
2. Remove coolant resevoir next to relay box (passenger side) simply pull up on the resevoir, it should have a plastic rectangular shape sitting in a metal 'slot'. (similar to a battery/phone/camera etc sliding into a charger/holster/cradle)
3. Remove relay cover, by releasing the tabs on the sides.
4. Remove the two far left, and two far right relays. Simply push the tab and pull up on the fuse. (this is so that we can perform step 5.)
5. Remove the two screws holding the relay box to the fender. A Phillips Head screwdriver, or the same 10mm wrench from step 1 will do.
6. Pull loose the leg of the relay box (attached to the wheel-well part of the fender.) There is a tab, but you basically have to yank it loose.
7. Now separate the top half of the relay-box with the relays, from the bottom half of the relay box, which is where we will be working. You must release all of the tabs, on the left, top (motor facing) and right. The fender-facing tabs are the hardest to release, and require pulling up while pushing the tabs toward each other (these 2 should be done after the other tabs are free.)
8. If you've managed to get to this point, congrats, you have probably gotten pist at the little tabs, and are ready to work, here we go. No turning back now, your wiring will never be oem again. (This can be reversed, but WHY would you want to?) Anyways, the wires leading to the FR FOG LAMP relay (motor-facing-right, when the cover is on, refer to the relay cover if you are confused) You will need to find the trigger line for the fog lights (it should be green with a yellow stripe) Cut this wire. Tape off the wire leading down with electrical tape so that it doesn't short on anything. Strip back the wire going up into the relay. Now take 3-4 inches of thick insulated wire (at least as thick as the g/y foglight trigger, and 'connect' one end to the g/y stripe fog trigger going into the relay.
9. phew, now that you are no longer using the headlights (low beam) as a 'circuit' completer, you can find another wire to tap into for a trigger to complete the circuit (meaning give power to your foglights) For this, the best wire to tap would be one only on with ACC, or one turn from the key. in this mod, we will tap into the wiper relay. use the relay cover again as a reference to find the wiper relay. It should be the motor-facing middle relay (or the third from the left when closed) You will need to strip back the light green wire (NOT CUT) and connect the other end of your 3-4" wire to it. You may also use a wire tap, but I prefer a strong, twisted wire connection myself. Again, when you have a good connection, cover the wire VERY well. I used electrical tape
10. You have now completed the circuit using an accessory (the windshield wipers) Before we put everything back together, we need to test it out to make sure we did everything right. Replace the FR FOG LAMP relay, and reconnect the positive terminal of the battery. Now turn the key to ACC, and turn on your foglights. If you did everything correctly, they should work! Test them with your windshield wipers on, as well as corner lamps, low beams and high beams. all good? GREAT!! you've done everything correctly. no fogs? uh oh, something with your car is NOT the same as a 95 SE, OR you will have to go back and check your steps.
11. If the foglights worked, you can now put everything back together, and show off those fogs like a BMW, Camaro, etc... BY THEMSELVES!
Make sure to tighten that postive battery terminal, replace all relays, replace any screws that were undone, and check your engine bay for loose tools.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
I know this has been over many times, but I finally got my foglights working how I wanted them to be. Independant of everything, and not when car is off. Only when key is turned.
This is not the same as the foglight rewire which taps into the corner light. This only requires 3-4 inches of wire, which does not leave the fuse box. This is very simple and takes approximately 5-10 minutes to do.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
Here is the correct way. --
This was done on a 95 SE, so if anything on your car is different, you may need to do further research (as far as wire colors, relay locations etc.) however I'm not positive, as my car is the only one I've personally done this on. Do this mod at your own risk, as I'm not responsible for anything that you do wrong. Forgive my rambling, I'm not the best at write-ups. anyways people here it is...
STEP:
1. Disconnect the positive terminal of the battery (precationary, so that we don't screw up our electrical system.) The oem nut is 10mm.
2. Remove coolant resevoir next to relay box (passenger side) simply pull up on the resevoir, it should have a plastic rectangular shape sitting in a metal 'slot'. (similar to a battery/phone/camera etc sliding into a charger/holster/cradle)
3. Remove relay cover, by releasing the tabs on the sides.
4. Remove the two far left, and two far right relays. Simply push the tab and pull up on the fuse. (this is so that we can perform step 5.)
5. Remove the two screws holding the relay box to the fender. A Phillips Head screwdriver, or the same 10mm wrench from step 1 will do.
6. Pull loose the leg of the relay box (attached to the wheel-well part of the fender.) There is a tab, but you basically have to yank it loose.
7. Now separate the top half of the relay-box with the relays, from the bottom half of the relay box, which is where we will be working. You must release all of the tabs, on the left, top (motor facing) and right. The fender-facing tabs are the hardest to release, and require pulling up while pushing the tabs toward each other (these 2 should be done after the other tabs are free.)
8. If you've managed to get to this point, congrats, you have probably gotten pist at the little tabs, and are ready to work, here we go. No turning back now, your wiring will never be oem again. (This can be reversed, but WHY would you want to?) Anyways, the wires leading to the FR FOG LAMP relay (motor-facing-right, when the cover is on, refer to the relay cover if you are confused) You will need to find the trigger line for the fog lights (it should be green with a yellow stripe) Cut this wire. Tape off the wire leading down with electrical tape so that it doesn't short on anything. Strip back the wire going up into the relay. Now take 3-4 inches of thick insulated wire (at least as thick as the g/y foglight trigger, and 'connect' one end to the g/y stripe fog trigger going into the relay.
9. phew, now that you are no longer using the headlights (low beam) as a 'circuit' completer, you can find another wire to tap into for a trigger to complete the circuit (meaning give power to your foglights) For this, the best wire to tap would be one only on with ACC, or one turn from the key. in this mod, we will tap into the wiper relay. use the relay cover again as a reference to find the wiper relay. It should be the motor-facing middle relay (or the third from the left when closed) You will need to strip back the light green wire (NOT CUT) and connect the other end of your 3-4" wire to it. You may also use a wire tap, but I prefer a strong, twisted wire connection myself. Again, when you have a good connection, cover the wire VERY well. I used electrical tape
10. You have now completed the circuit using an accessory (the windshield wipers) Before we put everything back together, we need to test it out to make sure we did everything right. Replace the FR FOG LAMP relay, and reconnect the positive terminal of the battery. Now turn the key to ACC, and turn on your foglights. If you did everything correctly, they should work! Test them with your windshield wipers on, as well as corner lamps, low beams and high beams. all good? GREAT!! you've done everything correctly. no fogs? uh oh, something with your car is NOT the same as a 95 SE, OR you will have to go back and check your steps.
11. If the foglights worked, you can now put everything back together, and show off those fogs like a BMW, Camaro, etc... BY THEMSELVES!
Make sure to tighten that postive battery terminal, replace all relays, replace any screws that were undone, and check your engine bay for loose tools.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
#4
Check my site for a complete similar write up with pictures. i chose to use the parking lights for power since i saw no reason for the fogs to be on, but no parking lights.
After doing mine, my lowbeams were actually brighter while my parking lights showed no dimming from the extra electrical draw.
Do it anyway you like, as long as it gets the job done, and doesnt fry anything.
BTW, i prefer taps because they have metal slots open just enough to allow the insulation to get cut, not the wires. Want to be sure you have a connection? Twist the tap back and forth a few times to make sure the insulation is out of your way.
My dad still has the same wire taps from 15 years ago working in his Camaro, and he taught me how to use them.
To each his own.
After doing mine, my lowbeams were actually brighter while my parking lights showed no dimming from the extra electrical draw.
Do it anyway you like, as long as it gets the job done, and doesnt fry anything.
BTW, i prefer taps because they have metal slots open just enough to allow the insulation to get cut, not the wires. Want to be sure you have a connection? Twist the tap back and forth a few times to make sure the insulation is out of your way.
My dad still has the same wire taps from 15 years ago working in his Camaro, and he taught me how to use them.
To each his own.
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I was too lazy to go buy taps. (stupid huh?) oh well, I did my entire custom stereo install with just electrical tape, and that shiet never fails me. Guess I'm just too annoyed by small connecting devices like butt connectors, wire taps, and terminals (too bad because they really are wonderful when you use them)
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I suppose so.. but I don't know much about wiring and crap, and it hurts my little brain to think about this anymore, I'm just glad it's working, and I can use my windshield wipers, AND foglights in my rainy state (see the clouds?)
#11
Originally Posted by ivelweyz
Couldn't this also be used to make the headlights work the same way? So that they turn on/off as soon as the key is turned to ACC...
Kind of like a fail safe, you heads would only run when your key was on the ACC position
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It would be good, generally. However I would rather keep them the way they are, because I often use my headlights w/out key (for lighting stuff up.) as you can see I have an optima yellow top and that sucker can drain for hours and still start up the first time.
#13
just wanted to bump this up for anyone who doesn't have search seeking it. good write up.
i just used thelastboyscout's write up (thanks!) and it came out great so far. what i like about this is that if you leave the foglight switch on, when i'm leaving my car and hit the alarm, the clearance, side marker, and fogs blink!
this was a pretty easy mod, aside from opening the darn relay box when it was cold out, those tabs just seemed to not want to open. this is a must for any max driver with fogs!
all this done to a gxe without the c & c package (or any others for that matter). wired them all myself to seem like they came stock
i just used thelastboyscout's write up (thanks!) and it came out great so far. what i like about this is that if you leave the foglight switch on, when i'm leaving my car and hit the alarm, the clearance, side marker, and fogs blink!
this was a pretty easy mod, aside from opening the darn relay box when it was cold out, those tabs just seemed to not want to open. this is a must for any max driver with fogs!
all this done to a gxe without the c & c package (or any others for that matter). wired them all myself to seem like they came stock
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Originally Posted by sk24iam
I bought my car used. How do I know if the previous owner did this mod or not?
#19
Originally Posted by kenji
I know this has been over many times, but I finally got my foglights working how I wanted them to be. Independant of everything, any not when car is off. Only when key is turned.
This is not the same as the foglight rewire which taps into the corner light. This only requires 3-4 inches of wire, which does not leave the fuse box. This is very simple and takes approximately 5-10 minutes to do.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
Here is the correct way. --
This was done on a 95 SE, so if anything on your car is different, you may need to do further research (as far as wire colors, relay locations etc.) however I'm not positive, as my car is the only one I've personally done this on. Do this mod at your own risk, as I'm not responsible for anything that you do wrong. Forgive my rambling, I'm not the best at write-ups. anyways people here it is...
STEP:
1. Disconnect the positive terminal of the battery (precationary, so that we don't screw up our electrical system.) The oem nut is 10mm.
2. Remove coolant resevoir next to relay box (passenger side) simply pull up on the resevoir, it should have a plastic rectangular shape sitting in a metal 'slot'. (similar to a battery/phone/camera etc sliding into a charger/holster/cradle)
3. Remove relay cover, by releasing the tabs on the sides.
4. Remove the two far left, and two far right relays. Simply push the tab and pull up on the fuse. (this is so that we can perform step 5.)
5. Remove the two screws holding the relay box to the fender. A Phillips Head screwdriver, or the same 10mm wrench from step 1 will do.
6. Pull loose the leg of the relay box (attached to the wheel-well part of the fender.) There is a tab, but you basically have to yank it loose.
7. Now separate the top half of the relay-box with the relays, from the bottom half of the relay box, which is where we will be working. You must release all of the tabs, on the left, top (motor facing) and right. The fender-facing tabs are the hardest to release, and require pulling up while pushing the tabs toward each other (these 2 should be done after the other tabs are free.)
8. If you've managed to get to this point, congrats, you have probably gotten pist at the little tabs, and are ready to work, here we go. No turning back now, your wiring will never be oem again. (This can be reversed, but WHY would you want to?) Anyways, the wires leading to the FR FOG LAMP relay (motor-facing-right, when the cover is on, refer to the relay cover if you are confused) You will need to find the trigger line for the fog lights (it should be green with a yellow stripe) Cut this wire. Tape off the wire leading down with electrical tape so that it doesn't short on anything. Strip back the wire going up into the relay. Now take 3-4 inches of thick insulated wire (at least as thick as the g/y foglight trigger, and 'connect' one end to the g/y stripe fog trigger going into the relay.
9. phew, now that you are no longer using the headlights (low beam) as a 'circuit' completer, you can find another wire to tap into for a trigger to complete the circuit (meaning give power to your foglights) For this, the best wire to tap would be one only on with ACC, or one turn from the key. in this mod, we will tap into the wiper relay. use the relay cover again as a reference to find the wiper relay. It should be the motor-facing middle relay (or the third from the left when closed) You will need to strip back the light green wire (NOT CUT) and connect the other end of your 3-4" wire to it. You may also use a wire tap, but I prefer a strong, twisted wire connection myself. Again, when you have a good connection, cover the wire VERY well. I used electrical tape
10. You have now completed the circuit using an accessory (the windshield wipers) Before we put everything back together, we need to test it out to make sure we did everything right. Replace the FR FOG LAMP relay, and reconnect the positive terminal of the battery. Now turn the key to ACC, and turn on your foglights. If you did everything correctly, they should work! Test them with your windshield wipers on, as well as corner lamps, low beams and high beams. all good? GREAT!! you've done everything correctly. no fogs? uh oh, something with your car is NOT the same as a 95 SE, OR you will have to go back and check your steps.
11. If the foglights worked, you can now put everything back together, and show off those fogs like a BMW, Camaro, etc... BY THEMSELVES!
Make sure to tighten that postive battery terminal, replace all relays, replace any screws that were undone, and check your engine bay for loose tools.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
This is not the same as the foglight rewire which taps into the corner light. This only requires 3-4 inches of wire, which does not leave the fuse box. This is very simple and takes approximately 5-10 minutes to do.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
Here is the correct way. --
This was done on a 95 SE, so if anything on your car is different, you may need to do further research (as far as wire colors, relay locations etc.) however I'm not positive, as my car is the only one I've personally done this on. Do this mod at your own risk, as I'm not responsible for anything that you do wrong. Forgive my rambling, I'm not the best at write-ups. anyways people here it is...
STEP:
1. Disconnect the positive terminal of the battery (precationary, so that we don't screw up our electrical system.) The oem nut is 10mm.
2. Remove coolant resevoir next to relay box (passenger side) simply pull up on the resevoir, it should have a plastic rectangular shape sitting in a metal 'slot'. (similar to a battery/phone/camera etc sliding into a charger/holster/cradle)
3. Remove relay cover, by releasing the tabs on the sides.
4. Remove the two far left, and two far right relays. Simply push the tab and pull up on the fuse. (this is so that we can perform step 5.)
5. Remove the two screws holding the relay box to the fender. A Phillips Head screwdriver, or the same 10mm wrench from step 1 will do.
6. Pull loose the leg of the relay box (attached to the wheel-well part of the fender.) There is a tab, but you basically have to yank it loose.
7. Now separate the top half of the relay-box with the relays, from the bottom half of the relay box, which is where we will be working. You must release all of the tabs, on the left, top (motor facing) and right. The fender-facing tabs are the hardest to release, and require pulling up while pushing the tabs toward each other (these 2 should be done after the other tabs are free.)
8. If you've managed to get to this point, congrats, you have probably gotten pist at the little tabs, and are ready to work, here we go. No turning back now, your wiring will never be oem again. (This can be reversed, but WHY would you want to?) Anyways, the wires leading to the FR FOG LAMP relay (motor-facing-right, when the cover is on, refer to the relay cover if you are confused) You will need to find the trigger line for the fog lights (it should be green with a yellow stripe) Cut this wire. Tape off the wire leading down with electrical tape so that it doesn't short on anything. Strip back the wire going up into the relay. Now take 3-4 inches of thick insulated wire (at least as thick as the g/y foglight trigger, and 'connect' one end to the g/y stripe fog trigger going into the relay.
9. phew, now that you are no longer using the headlights (low beam) as a 'circuit' completer, you can find another wire to tap into for a trigger to complete the circuit (meaning give power to your foglights) For this, the best wire to tap would be one only on with ACC, or one turn from the key. in this mod, we will tap into the wiper relay. use the relay cover again as a reference to find the wiper relay. It should be the motor-facing middle relay (or the third from the left when closed) You will need to strip back the light green wire (NOT CUT) and connect the other end of your 3-4" wire to it. You may also use a wire tap, but I prefer a strong, twisted wire connection myself. Again, when you have a good connection, cover the wire VERY well. I used electrical tape
10. You have now completed the circuit using an accessory (the windshield wipers) Before we put everything back together, we need to test it out to make sure we did everything right. Replace the FR FOG LAMP relay, and reconnect the positive terminal of the battery. Now turn the key to ACC, and turn on your foglights. If you did everything correctly, they should work! Test them with your windshield wipers on, as well as corner lamps, low beams and high beams. all good? GREAT!! you've done everything correctly. no fogs? uh oh, something with your car is NOT the same as a 95 SE, OR you will have to go back and check your steps.
11. If the foglights worked, you can now put everything back together, and show off those fogs like a BMW, Camaro, etc... BY THEMSELVES!
Make sure to tighten that postive battery terminal, replace all relays, replace any screws that were undone, and check your engine bay for loose tools.
**NOTE: Some people mentioned tapping into the ORANGE wire going into the wiper relay. THIS IS INCORRECT. your foglights will work the same way, except for when your windshield wipers are on, which will cause your foglights to go out!! Those of you that wired your fogs light this way may want to turn on your windshield wipers and see for themselves!!**
About the only modification required was to cut one wire and to add another.
#20
Originally Posted by Sin
There is a WAY easier way to do this. I simply jumped a wire from the proper tab on the fog light relay to the ABS motor relay. Essentially, when the ABS relay switches on, it now switches the fog light relay on as well. All it took was one little wire. And, just like with your setup, you can't leave the fogs on, because as soon as you get out of position II on the ignition, the relay for the ABS also switches off.
About the only modification required was to cut one wire and to add another.
About the only modification required was to cut one wire and to add another.
yeah yeah you JERK ur just tryin to show off that u have ABS!! not all of us are that lucky haha good idea tho, same thing pretty much, and its the same thing u did, except we did it to the wiper. this thing took one little wire as well, and clipping one other, so its not really WAY easier to do it its the same
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yeah yeah you JERK ur just tryin to show off that u have ABS!! not all of us are that lucky haha good idea tho, same thing pretty much, and its the same thing u did, except we did it to the wiper. this thing took one little wire as well, and clipping one other, so its not really WAY easier to do it its the same
but yeah good write up, maybe circle the spots where people need to focus on or something.
#23
Originally Posted by nismos14
yeah yeah you JERK ur just tryin to show off that u have ABS!! not all of us are that lucky haha good idea tho, same thing pretty much, and its the same thing u did, except we did it to the wiper. this thing took one little wire as well, and clipping one other, so its not really WAY easier to do it its the same
#26
Originally Posted by Sin
There is a WAY easier way to do this. I simply jumped a wire from the proper tab on the fog light relay to the ABS motor relay. Essentially, when the ABS relay switches on, it now switches the fog light relay on as well. All it took was one little wire. And, just like with your setup, you can't leave the fogs on, because as soon as you get out of position II on the ignition, the relay for the ABS also switches off.
About the only modification required was to cut one wire and to add another.
About the only modification required was to cut one wire and to add another.
#29
You need to jump a wire from the switch terminal of the ABS motor relay to the switch terminal of the FR fog lamp relay. Use a multitester to find it. That is unless you know what the colour codes stand for. In any case, I'd suggest the use of a multimeter to be sure. Heck, I figured out the wiring by looking at the backs of the relays. They have a little diagram on them if they are stock relays.
#31
MaxiSpeed97, do you have the corresponding information for the colour coding of the tabs? Or even just the picture that's cast into the plastic of the relay (if it's a stock relay).
Heck anyone can just snap open the case and take the pic and host/post.
Heck anyone can just snap open the case and take the pic and host/post.
#32
i dont have the corresponding info and i took a look at the relays and they all have diagrams on them except the two. ABS activator and ABS motor, those two are little bit smaller and are greyish in color. On top of the other relays there are little diagrams like
1-3
2-5
4-
but i'm not 100% sure what i'm looking for in the diagram anyways
1-3
2-5
4-
but i'm not 100% sure what i'm looking for in the diagram anyways
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Originally Posted by Sin
You need to jump a wire from the switch terminal of the ABS motor relay to the switch terminal of the FR fog lamp relay. Use a multitester to find it. That is unless you know what the colour codes stand for. In any case, I'd suggest the use of a multimeter to be sure. Heck, I figured out the wiring by looking at the backs of the relays. They have a little diagram on them if they are stock relays.
Update: Well the ONLY way I can get the fog lights to turn also turns my drivers side headlight on. WTF am I doing wrong?
#34
Originally Posted by kenji
I was too lazy to go buy taps. (stupid huh?) oh well, I did my entire custom stereo install with just electrical tape, and that shiet never fails me. Guess I'm just too annoyed by small connecting devices like butt connectors, wire taps, and terminals (too bad because they really are wonderful when you use them)