Torque Braking?
01-22-2004, 06:54 PM
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Torque Braking?
I heard that if you torque brake (Floor the gas and have the brake on , then let off the brake for a nice burn-out/ acceleration) is bad for the car?
I never knew this, I thought that it would just be the brakes holding the car back, never realized anything else could result from it? Ive done it a lot lol, now i wonder if its really bad. I havent noticed any damage on niether brakes nor transmission, and have done some sweet burnouts, but then i read about it on a different site.
so basically my question is : how bad is torque braking for your car?
I never knew this, I thought that it would just be the brakes holding the car back, never realized anything else could result from it? Ive done it a lot lol, now i wonder if its really bad. I havent noticed any damage on niether brakes nor transmission, and have done some sweet burnouts, but then i read about it on a different site.
so basically my question is : how bad is torque braking for your car?
01-22-2004, 06:59 PM
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it may be better for you to just neutral drop, rev up..and throw her in gear.. or jsut get 5 speed maxima.
it puts alot of stress on your brakes and tranny. get an electric fan, put it on fastest speed, put your hand in the way to hold it back. hold it there til the motor blows or you see smoke comming out for it.. sholdnt take too long.. same concept.
your color is called black emerald, or deep evergreen by the way.
it puts alot of stress on your brakes and tranny. get an electric fan, put it on fastest speed, put your hand in the way to hold it back. hold it there til the motor blows or you see smoke comming out for it.. sholdnt take too long.. same concept.
your color is called black emerald, or deep evergreen by the way.
01-22-2004, 07:18 PM
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Hmm, good explanation, thank you.
Are you sure the neutral drop isnt as bad for the car? It just seems so much more violent on the transmission, torque braking is just smooth, not jerky.
I like smoothness, when i imagine neutral drop, i imagine my entire transmission actually flying out from under the car right as i put it in drive.
What max RPM do you reccomend before dropping it by the way?=)
Are you sure the neutral drop isnt as bad for the car? It just seems so much more violent on the transmission, torque braking is just smooth, not jerky.
I like smoothness, when i imagine neutral drop, i imagine my entire transmission actually flying out from under the car right as i put it in drive.
What max RPM do you reccomend before dropping it by the way?=)
01-22-2004, 07:41 PM
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surprising my friends got me to do a neutral drop last weekend after over a year critizing that it would be "cool". when I did it i was pulling backwards out of a friends drive way dropped in neutral nailed it for about 1 sec and dropped in drive. no jerking or noise just the second I put it in gear the tach sat at about 6,000 for 20 yards and a patch of rubber that looked like someone paited the asphalt. it was fun but will never happen again.
01-22-2004, 07:43 PM
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i got 5 speed..so i never do that...
i used to neutral drop my moms car.not often and no more than 3k though..just to launch..not to burn out. and yes it was sarcasm. shudda added a wink face or someting.
i say just dont do any burnouts period.. wasted tires, nasty smoke smell, broken trannys,.
i used to neutral drop my moms car.not often and no more than 3k though..just to launch..not to burn out. and yes it was sarcasm. shudda added a wink face or someting.
i say just dont do any burnouts period.. wasted tires, nasty smoke smell, broken trannys,.
01-22-2004, 07:52 PM
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NEVER neutral drop a auto tranny. Its horrible for it. End of story.
Brake Torqueing isn't bad for you car. You put more stress on your brakes when you do a 60-0 ft. quick stop. I wouldn't do it too much though... just when you need it. "Need" it meaning at the track or where ever.
Brake Torqueing isn't bad for you car. You put more stress on your brakes when you do a 60-0 ft. quick stop. I wouldn't do it too much though... just when you need it. "Need" it meaning at the track or where ever.
01-22-2004, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LudeAEM
NEVER neutral drop a auto tranny. Its horrible for it. End of story.
Brake Torqueing isn't bad for you car. You put more stress on your brakes when you do a 60-0 ft. quick stop. I wouldn't do it too much though... just when you need it. "Need" it meaning at the track or where ever.
Brake Torqueing isn't bad for you car. You put more stress on your brakes when you do a 60-0 ft. quick stop. I wouldn't do it too much though... just when you need it. "Need" it meaning at the track or where ever.
01-22-2004, 08:24 PM
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In a way... your always brake torqueing an auto tranny... when its in DRIVE at least. Think about it.... tranny is in gear, and your on the brakes sitting at a stoplight. Understand though that your putting a little more stress on the tranny at like 1500-2000 RPM's but i don't think its something to freak about.
01-23-2004, 02:14 AM
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Why other to burn out? Wholly unimpressive.... a Hyundai Excel can burh out. If you really want to impress, do 50 then nail it and chirp the tires... now thats impressive! And entirely possible.
btw .... Never do nuetral drops, at least not without a race clutch... You'll shread your tranny... sadly a lesson leard from expierence.
btw .... Never do nuetral drops, at least not without a race clutch... You'll shread your tranny... sadly a lesson leard from expierence.
01-23-2004, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hdortez
Why other to burn out? Wholly unimpressive.... a Hyundai Excel can burh out. If you really want to impress, do 50 then nail it and chirp the tires... now thats impressive! And entirely possible.
btw .... Never do nuetral drops, at least not without a race clutch... You'll shread your tranny... sadly a lesson leard from expierence.
btw .... Never do nuetral drops, at least not without a race clutch... You'll shread your tranny... sadly a lesson leard from expierence.
01-23-2004, 12:44 PM
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Torque Braking is alot healthier than Neutral Dropping, although its not good for the car, if you do it to only 1500 RPM at a track once in a while it shouldnt hurt the car too much. Doing it at every red-light you encounter will hurt your car though, and you will need a new tranny soon.
My friend neutral drops his 95SE Auto all the time, and he doesnt believe me that its EXTREMELY bad for the car. . .. he will learn.
My friend neutral drops his 95SE Auto all the time, and he doesnt believe me that its EXTREMELY bad for the car. . .. he will learn.
01-23-2004, 01:08 PM
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Why has no one in here said a damn thing about the torque converter. My god.... Torque breaking doesn't do anything to your damn breaks, its the TORQUE CONVERTER that gets used most. And since everyone in this thread apparently doesn't know what one is... here's a brief description of why you torque break:
There is a reason why when you go to Level 10 or some other auto tranny shop you can build your trannies with a certain stall speed. A 1500rpm stall speed means you start to creep at 1500rpms. You can select which speed stall you want.
A torque converter is a type of fluid coupling, which allows the engine to spin somewhat independently of the transmission. If the engine is turning slowly, such as when the car is idling at a stoplight, the amount of torque passed through the torque converter is very small, so keeping the car still requires only a light pressure on the brake pedal.
If you were to step on the gas pedal while the car is stopped, you would have to press harder on the brake to keep the car from moving. This is because when you step on the gas, the engine speeds up and pumps more fluid into the torque converter, causing more torque to be transmitted to the wheels.
If you were to step on the gas pedal while the car is stopped, you would have to press harder on the brake to keep the car from moving. This is because when you step on the gas, the engine speeds up and pumps more fluid into the torque converter, causing more torque to be transmitted to the wheels.
01-23-2004, 01:59 PM
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Formz, you seem to know what your talking about pretty good,(not saying any of you other guys dont)
But from what i read of your post i didnt see (to my knowledge) if you said it is bad or ok for the car?
I dont understand fancy talk if you said it in that lol
But from what i read of your post i didnt see (to my knowledge) if you said it is bad or ok for the car?
I dont understand fancy talk if you said it in that lol
01-23-2004, 02:17 PM
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Is there something special you've got to do to get the e-brake to lock, I can pull the brake and stomp the gas and my auto will drag the tires, they roll, new brakes and such, maybe my cable is stretched or something.
01-23-2004, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost_N_a_97Max
Is there something special you've got to do to get the e-brake to lock, I can pull the brake and stomp the gas and my auto will drag the tires, they roll, new brakes and such, maybe my cable is stretched or something.
If they drag the locked tires, then your e-brake is doing its job. If you want to do a burnout or what-not, put a couple cinder blocks under your rear tires and then engage the e-brake. Or wet the surface that your front tires are going to be on.
01-24-2004, 02:52 PM
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Formz, you seem to know what your talking about pretty good,(not saying any of you other guys dont)
But from what i read of your post i didnt see (to my knowledge) if you said it is bad or ok for the car?
I dont understand fancy talk if you said it in that lol
But from what i read of your post i didnt see (to my knowledge) if you said it is bad or ok for the car?
I dont understand fancy talk if you said it in that lol
01-24-2004, 07:00 PM
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No, I know it doesn't hurt the brakes. I just meant, why apply braking force to the front wheels when those are the ones you want to spin freely. E-brake applies only to the rear wheels, leaving front to spin freely. If you dont believe me, lock your e-brakes hard, jack up front wheels and spin front wheels with your hands. Just don't turn engine on and put in drive to see how fast you can spin the wheels. This is bad for your car.
01-24-2004, 08:21 PM
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Because of how the torque converter operates, the worst you will do by power/torque braking is heat up your transmission fluid faster. So you will be safe as long as you don't brake for an extended period of time...I'd say about 5 seconds max, and you don't do it in quick succession(let the oil cool a bit). Getting a transmission oil cooler wouldn't hurt either.
01-24-2004, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kchida
You watch too much Initial-D.
Your original description of torque braking was holding the brake and "floor the gas." that would be horrible for the car. an intenstly light torque brake at the line on the track can help you launch quicker, but its not something you should do a lot, and at those times, its very periodic. using it to do a burn out...is stupid. the extra resistance is just bad for everything. you are trying to get the car to do something it was never made to do
01-24-2004, 11:06 PM
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so wait, delivering tofu wont help be become the best drifter in the world?
Your original description of torque braking was holding the brake and "floor the gas." that would be horrible for the car. an intenstly light torque brake at the line on the track can help you launch quicker, but its not something you should do a lot, and at those times, its very periodic. using it to do a burn out...is stupid. the extra resistance is just bad for everything. you are trying to get the car to do something it was never made to do
Your original description of torque braking was holding the brake and "floor the gas." that would be horrible for the car. an intenstly light torque brake at the line on the track can help you launch quicker, but its not something you should do a lot, and at those times, its very periodic. using it to do a burn out...is stupid. the extra resistance is just bad for everything. you are trying to get the car to do something it was never made to do
All you noobs are retarded and small in the pants.
01-25-2004, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SXN
you should be a little bit more descriptive than that. also how am i trying to save face? from what? 
01-25-2004, 09:55 AM
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So.. What you guys are saying is that if i go get my moms quest and go to somewhere no1 is around and i put it in drive... Hold the brake on the floor then just stomp the gas that it will smoke the tires... and all that will happen is that the oil will heat up? 
LOL please tell me this isnt true...
LOL please tell me this isnt true...
01-25-2004, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sean05
So.. What you guys are saying is that if i go get my moms quest and go to somewhere no1 is around and i put it in drive... Hold the brake on the floor then just stomp the gas that it will smoke the tires... and all that will happen is that the oil will heat up? LOL please tell me this isnt true...
LOL please tell me this isnt true...