Well, the fastest I've ever seen a stock 1G AWD go is 14.6. However, I've also seen cars with just exhaust and boost upgrades go 12.5. So it's VERY easy to get power out of them.

A friend of mine (the guy I bought my maxima from) put his 90 GSX into the mid 12's (12.5@109mph) with $775. Full 3" turbo back exhaust (no cat), boost controller, and race gas.

On a side note, looks like Boss will never show his face in here again. haha

 

Couple of things bother me here. Yes a Maxima with basic boltons might be equal to a TT which is stock but guess what with the same money you spent on bolt-ons, that TT will be up to 360 hp while you just reached it's baseline. And guess what on that Maxima you are now pretty much stuck there until you have enough money for a turbo or supercharger. Plus the fact that RWD is a ton more fun on the track especially when putting down that much power.

And the reason why the Supra holds it's value so much is the fact that there are about 1/8th as many Supra's as 300zx's overall

Retail Sales of Supra
Retail Sales of 300zx

As you can see look at the difference in numbers and you will see why there is such a difference in price. So yes supply and demand is in effect.

Also for someone to say that the RX-7 is better/more reliable then a 300zx ... is a joke. The RX-7 is only reliable after you put in better apex seals and basically rebuild the engine which is becoming more expensive as the years go on and there are less and less engines. Why do you think the RX-8 is non-turbo becuase even Ford wouldnt let Mazda put a turbo on that engine after so many problems with the RX-7.

Overall I think though for the price you are looking at that is fairly decent for a 300zx I would definately see if you can find a local expert in ZX's from another forum and have them take a look at it. Also just be prepared with some extra money for things and I think you would enjoy it.

 

Intel > Boss

Haha they made 8 times as many 300zx's as supras.. that doesn't have any effect on price now does it boss

 

Even if the price were the same for the tt Z / tt Supra. I'd still take the Supra. They have much better build in features to up the boost w/o ecu and injector work. Going to a single is alot easier vs impossible for the Z and the bottom ends are better build IMHO.

 

Well this is true If a Supra and TTz were the same price I would probably take the Supra. But at least in my area you can barely find TT Z's let alone Turbo Supras(only seen 1 supra around my area which isnt even turbo). (stupid snow and people destroying Turbo cars in it)

 

Buying a Supra isn't like looking in the local classifieds. If you really want one, you have to be willing to go across state lines and possibly across the country. I know of a local Supra guy that flew out to Chicago and drove it back to Seattle. Of course he knew the guy well though Supraforums. But it goes to show what you have to be willing to do to get a good quality Supra

 

Well yeah you basically have to be ready to do that for any car. I was about to do that for a Datsun 510 project car when my old maxima started biting the dust and I needed a car for work. (was planning on having 2 cars but my time frame got shortened). So in the end I ended up with a 96 maxima 5sp instead of a 90 maxima and a 2 door datsun 510 for some work.

 

Yea I'd definitely choose a supra of the same year over a 300zx. Thats a given. However, that's ONLY because of ease of upgrading (availability of parts etc.)

 

Damn guys,this thread is still going!? haha.

 

Well it's still going for us, Boss ran away with his tail between his legs.

 

how did the post go from should the guy sell his maxima for 300zx tt to comparing 300zx to supra?....i still can't believe someone actucally say supra "sucks"....supra is one of the best japanese sports car built next to the skyline....i would consider buying a 300zx tt if it was in good condition with not too much mileage....with the success of 350z i hope toyota bring back (if they do that is) the new supra style....

 

800+ HP on stock block........................definitely take the supra.

 

Wow.

If you bought a 300zxtt in good condition for 20k and dropped 10k into it you would have a car much faster than a 40k stock supra.. just like if you took a 35k supra and dropped 5k into it, you'd have a much faster 40k car.. But you still paid 40k to have a car that's 'somewhat' faster than the guy in his sick 30k Z. (and i'd rather have that extra 10k to spend on a maxima)

End of discussion!

 

Dood, my fwd will smoke your awd.

Oh yeah and if anyone pays attention there are a few <10 second Z's out there

 

Here's one:

http://www.sounddomain.com/id/torontoz

 

Damn boss what the hell are you talking about! Under $15K for a 96 300zxTT with under 50K miles!?! I look constantly in the paper for a good deal and the you would have to pay between $20-25k for a car like that! The cheapest TT I have seen was a 1990 with over 130K on it, fair cond, and it was still $7500! Also, if you think a RX-7 is better than a 300zxTT is a joke! those things are gutless against a Z! As for the NXS, who wants to shell out 30K for a 10 year old sports car that has only 300 HP!?! The only competition is a Supra, which is made on a newer design, and like Intel said Toyota only sold about 1/8th the Supras as Nissan did Zs. SO that would be why the price is different! If you had a basic education in economics, you would know that as supply decreases, and the quantity demanded stays stagnate, the market equilibrium (where supply equals demand) is driven upward, and thus increases the price . Not to mention those stock spoilers that they put on that Supra look like ****!

 

Supras are expensive because they are the BEST, MOST POWERFUL, MOST RELIABLE SUPERCARS from the previously-listed vehicles. A POS 300ZX does in no way compare to a Supra. Take a stock Supra TT vs. a 300ZX TT (with the same exact driver) and you will see how badly the almighty Supra will own the 300ZX in every single category. To those who say Supras suck - you are really lacking knowledge, you have no clue what you're saying, you have no idea how powerful and extremely well engineered those cars are and how much potential they have.

hmmm, I want to see a 300ZX TT with 800+ hp on a completely stock block. yeah....muahahahaha, maybe for a mile or two, lmao

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, go to www.T04R.com and write all this in the forums hahahahahahahaha

now, obviously performance-wise Supra vs. 300ZX is like comparing a stock 4th gen Maxima vs a stock 97 Honda Civic, respectively - again, no challange and you all know it.

...but even looks-wise...comon, it blows the 300ZX in that category as well

 

 

yes, very "original" for you to take this off of somewhere. You're cool. Idiot.

 

Hey Boss how's the AWD vs FWD debate going? Looks like its the entire board against your stupid self haha

 

300zx is not POS... for $4500 and mint condition with high mileage it is not POS. drop in couple G and get a rebuild done and some basic bolt-ons, afc and avr + tuning, it'll be at least 300WHP+. considering from the price, it's so much better than buying a supra.

300zx is not a POS.

 

maxima is a cheap car compared to the competiton,
yet its one of the most reliable.

ex 2003 maxima ~15k. 2003 TL-S ~25k (cost smae when new).
maxima is more reliable cause of transmission problems in acura.
You can get a 95 max for couple grand nowdays.

cheap != not reliable.

 

why don't you just stfu already? You're a ******* noob, end of story. The debate ended once I proved how retarded you are - bringing up an article that ironically proved you are wrong. I'm done arguing with a moron like you. Now, as a courtesy, I will allow you to further bs your way through this so that you don't feel bad falling asleep at night.

 

Good old stubborn and ignorant Boss. 15 vs 1 and he still won't admit he was wrong. I guess that's what makes him so unpopular around here.

 

what does hillbilly from Colchester, CT like yourself know about cars anyway?

 

nissans big boys

 

 

Quite obviously more than you. My previous car before I sold it: http://formztsi.tripod.com/indextest1.html

All parts installed by myself. What's not on that list, is the spare motor that I built to go in that car before I sold it. Ross 9:1 forged pistons, polished and shotpeened 1G big rods, balanced bottom end, no balance shafts etc. etc.

You haven't even built a 200whp car, let alone one that can put down over 400. You're a pathetic excuse for a car enthusiast. It's utterly pathetic.

 

haha, what a POS. Please, take that old POS and stick up your a$$. An eagle talon, something I wouldn't take for free.

 

Ahh yes... the cars Supra owners are most afraid of, is definitely a POS. Should I also mention it's the fastest unibody car on the planet? Or how about the first import car in the 8's on street tires? Or maybe I should tell you that the fastest 4g63 powered car is faster than the fastest 2jz powered car. Man, you are REALLY out of your league here.

Again, face it boss: you're out classed, out brained, and everyone on this board is on my side, not yours. Your total lack of automotive knowledge is astounding.

 

and what is your point? You sound like a ******* ricer in a Civic who turbo-charged their little honda and put on a few other bolt-ons gaining 100+ hp. BIG DEAL.

I can give two ***** about your 9:1 forged pistons etc. Wow, you think making a 400 hp eagle talon makes you God of all car enthusiasts? It is you, not me, that is a pathetic jacka$$, one who thinks "i'm da **** cause I installed all this stuff myself and I did this and that blah blah blah". Who cares? Any individual who can only use a screwdriver can do the mods you mention.

It's a new era in case you have not noticed Everything, and I mean "EVERYTHING", is posted on the internet nowdays. You get step-by-step procedures on how to do every single thing to a car. Anything from changing motor components to changing turbos to changing your clutch - it's all written out, in great detail and you know it. On top of that, nearly every single mod has pictures to go along with the detailed instructions. How many tc/sc do you know of today that don't come with detailed instructions? Fine, so detailed instructions is not enough, I agree. It takes more to maintain a turbo, or overall a boosted motor and I realize that. But that is also something you can find on the internet, or internet forums to be more specific.

There was a Maxima.org member (don't remember name) who supercharged a white 4th gen Maxima. Jesus, the guy was crazy. I give him credit for what he did though. He wrote about 14 cardomain pages on how to put on a STILLEN sc, with step-by-step procedures AND PICTURES for each. I know stillen sc comes with instructions, but based on what he said their instructions sucked - weren't detailed enough. By each step, he had a scanned copy of the stillen instruction, in addition to his own, pointing out their flaws when needed. See what I mean? ...And that's something I managed to stumble upon by accident once, while randomly clicking 4th gen cardomain links.

I visit and am a member of other forums (my favorite being www.evonation.com because of its detailed contents on pretty much EVERYTHING possible that you can mod/replace in an EVO. Then there's also www.t04r.com where the Supra guys give you practically the most detailed instructions on how to properly tune this beast, all of them having healthy, 700+ hp motors)

 

Here is Boss' argument:

Him: You don't know about cars
Me: Here's my car that built myself
Him: That's weak because you can find out how to build cars on the internet now

Boss, again, you lose. You lose at life, you lose on this board. You obviously have no friends in life, DEFINITELY no girlfriend, and I bet $1000 you're still a virgin. When you get into the real world, or like I said previously, even build a 300hp car, come find me. Hell you can come talk to me again when you pop that cherry.

 

HAHAHAHAHA, you freakin noob lol I've popped more cherries than you ever will. You just don't know when to stfu. Again, I made you feel stupid and worthless when I told you that anything nowdays can be found on the internet. And at the very least I have an argument and you don't.

As to me being a virgin

I'm willing to post a picture of myself and then one with you in it. We could have a poll, not necessarily on this site, and have girls vote and we'll see how stupid you feel after your ugly face gets left behind in the dirt, scout

Based on your ongoing analysis here: YOU + GIRLS = a powerful index of incompatibilities.

Now tell me you don't use that POS, ugly a$$ Talon from the 90's to pick them up? HAHHAHA

In the end, I see you as nothing more but a trailer-trash redneck from CT that eats chips all day long, with occasional incest here and there. LOL

 

I think you should keep the maxima not everyone knows a maxima is fast but everyone knows a TT 300z is fast no surprise there, me I like to suprise people. Also you have to think insurance on a 4 door sedan compared to a TT sports car

 

posting your pictures on a mainly male dominated forum is pretty gay so spare us.

 

Save up $$$ and get the 350Z....stay true to the VQ....not only will u make the right decision, but you'll save yourself a lot of headaches fixing the damn thing. very hard to maintain and mod. No to the 300zx....trust me ...my friend's Z is sitting in his backyard cuz the heater is messed up and he has to rip his whole dash out to get to it...to get to certain parts, that is what he has to do. imagine other parts, the alternator went out and guess what it is right behind the motor in the passenger side, guess where the max's alternator is at? right in front of the motor on the lower side...get my drift?

I30ds!!! i would choose over an RX-7 anyday, you don't see the Z being being diverse in compitions, i want to see the Z go Drifting...oops too heavy, or Break the 7 sec barrier.. sorry, rotaries are the ones owning the streets.[/QUOTE]

 

1) If anything can be found on the internet. And I don't deserve any credit for building 3,4, and 500hp DSMs. Than no one deserves any credit for building any Supra either. Because slapping on a VPC, TO4R, front mount etc etc have all been documented.

2) You haven't built any car. NONE. You don't even have 200whp in your Maxima. Therefore my automotive knowledge is far superior to yours. That's a fact.

3) Myself, along with 10 or so others, have all said that you're an idiot in this thread for thinking FWD is faster than AWD. Not to mention everyone on every Supra, Z, and DSM board will also agree with us, not you. You stand alone. That's a fact.

4) No one on this board gets along with you because when you are wrong (as you are in this entire thread) you defend your point to the death because you can't handle being wrong. It comes from ***** envy. It's the same reason guys who can't get girls buy Porsches. You can't afford one, so you feel that arguing (even when you're blatantly wrong like in this thread) will some how overcome your inabilities as a decent human being. That is also a fact.

5) This will never end. I'll argue with till the end. I have no time taking 10 minutes out of my day to prove you wrong. I've done quite a few times in this thread already, and I'll keep doing it. Again, fact.

6) You highlighted one very small paragraph in a large article that proves AWD is faster than FWD. If you went to college (did you?) or even high school, you would recall that when you're writing a persuasive essay (as that was), you have to give some credit to the other side in order to disprove it in the end. For your one bolded paragraph, I offer you these:

I can keep going but you get the idea.


7) You're clinging onto strands here. Your entire argument is based upon you having a big mouth. Whereas I have posted time slips, accounts by the owners of the cars, and the word of many of the people in this thread also saying you're wrong. But what have you done? You call me and the others in this thread names. You've never posted time slips, you've never posted anything that would even remotely give credit to your side of the argument. You say I don't know anything about cars, I show you that I've built many, but you haven't shown any of us what you've done to give you credit. You said earlier in the thread that you were going to get proof, but never did.

So I ask you Boss, one final time, if you have ANY ***** whatsoever, show us. Show TIME SLIPS, ACCOUNTS FROM THE OWNERS, OR ARTICLES to prove that FWD is better for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. PROVE IT. Don't just call me names, do some research and put your money where you mouth is. If you can't do that, well then I guess you lose.

SO PROVE IT TO US ALL BOSS. SHOW US PROOF THAT AWD IS SLOWER THAN FWD IN 0-60 AND 1/4 MILE TIMES. IF YOU CAN, WE WILL ALL SHUT UP.

I give you my word, if you can prove to the beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are right, I will GLADLY apologize and return to my normal day to day posting. I promise you.

BTW... I don't own the talon anymore. I'm in college and couldn't afford two cars. I needed a professional looking car because I also work for Apple Computers, so I sold it and bought the Maxima.

I'm offering you a bander of truce, I'm trying to be a mature individual here about this because I don't want this thread to get locked because of name calling. So please, if all you're going to do is respond with "noob" and whatnot, don't even bother because it will only further discredit yourself, and end this thread before it has a chance to burn out on it's own.

I wrote this all in one of my computer science classes, man I hate this class haha.

 

only if a homo like you votes

notice how I said "not necessarily here" and "girls doing the voting"

 

Boss I forgot to mention I'll even give you a couple days to get your research done. No rush.

 

Do we have a deal? Yes? No? I don't want to think that you're backing away from the challenge, since I know you're not that type from what I can see.