Hey everyone, my roomate's brother has this phat-*** Supra that he and everyone else is sure that would smoke me. It is an automatic.(BOO!!!!!!!!!) Everyone thinks I'd be in the dust but they just don't know. People are so ignorant. They think that just because the turbo version is really fast that the non-turbo is too, um, its not!!! I rode in it, and no, it isn't slow, but that car would eating the dust off of my Kuhmo Z's.(I mean literally) I mean, a 5spd non turbo does 60 in 6.9, so an auto would be AT LEAST 7.5. (My friend in his 5spd Max smoked a 5spd Supra, so an auto would be a piece of cake) People just wouldn't listen when I kept telling them that. He floored it and I was like "Is this it??" Top speed, yes, I'll give them that, but light to light, or 50-100, or whatever, TOAST! Anyone with a 5 spd raced one? How bad did you smoke it? I know I'm not the only one here that thinks that claim is ridiculous. They were all like "Nissan V6=sucks, Toyota rules!", So I had to call them out for that, I was like "Oh yeah thats why it's been hailed as the best V6 ever made." People who don't know but think they do know **** me off!!!!!! I mean, cmon we're not talking about the 320HP version here.

 

well a supra non-turbo has 220 hp. But it is an auto. i think you would win if you are the better driver.

 

The non-turbo supra is trying to live the "glory" of the turbo. It just isn't so. A 5 speed max should embarras all hell out of an auto non-turbo supra. If the non-turbo supra was a 5 speed, they'd be neck in neck, a tough battle. Auto?? Please.

DW

 

I know what are these idiots thinking, also I bet I could spank a 5 spd too, just not as bad, maybe by a car length....my friend did, he raced the supra(5spd) on the street, to like 60 or 70, smoked him, then the dude in the Supra was like "I'll beat you in the 1/4 mile"...So my friend told him of an appropriate place to do this(this dragstrip deserted-like road where you can run your car easily past 120)and he went there and the dude never showed...hahaha

 

Not meaning to rock the boat...you should win with a 5-speed if he's got an auto. But barely...and I do mean BARELY. I know that one 0-60 on the Supra in a car mag was 6.9, but I remember a "long-term" wrap up awhile back in which the car pulled a 6.4. That was a 5-speed, so figure low 7's, or mid 7's tops with the auto. Now you have a '97, which has never gotten better than a 7.1 with a 5-speed ('95's and 6's were faster, they pulled a 6.6 be it smaller wheel diameter, emissions, weight, or whatever). You do have an intake and exhaust. I'll give you 7.0 flat on your best day. And ASSUMING he has no mods, low 7's on his best. That's not much difference. He wouldn't smoke you as he wants to think, but nor would you "smoke" him...you just might barely pull a touch. What does all this mean? Good for the Maxima. Just that it can keep up is great. If nothing else, it reminds us: no one here, even the supercharged guys, are gonna beat a Supra Turbo on its best day. That recorded a 4.6 0-60...oh well. We still have fast cars.

Alex

 

Just race him and make them all believers!

 

Ok I'm not trying to heat this up or anything, but I will guarantee you that I can pull a better time than 7 seconds flat! Are you friggin' kidding me? I'd put money down to say that my car does 60 in the low 6 second range. I recorded a time of 6.59 once completely stock. I did alot of runs and got 7.1, 6.9, 6.8, but 6.59 was the best time with the perfect launch.....all when my car had NO mods(1/4 tank fuel), and with the intake and exaust I have a minimum gain of AT LEAST 14 HP (says in Stillen catalog). So I know now my car could do AT LEAST that. I know no one will believe me (and I really dont care) but I'll bet with the perfect launch and conditions, I could do 6.3 or 6.4, if not a tick quicker. Just for everyone's info, my Maxima has 63K miles, is serviced religiously, and runs absolutley PERFECTLY. So I know it is running at it's best and unrestricted.

By the way when that 97 SE 5spd was tested in Motor Trend in April 1997, they also commented on how the transmission was imperfect and how the shifter and clutch were "possibly abused before testing." I'm not saying that caused slower acceleration times, but you have to factor that in as a possible cause. It could be....Anyway I don't care I'd say I'd beat this Supra by at least 3 car lengths to 60 and really lose him as soon as I hit 3rd gear. A turbo, no, and I know that no Maxima could beat one, I never said anything about a Maxima vs. Supra Turbo.

I will race him soon and be sure to let everyone on here know what happens! I have faith in my VQ!!!!!!!!!

 

Supra auto non-turbo runs mid to high 15s. I beat one at the track with my auto max. Few DC folks saw the run.

 

First off, i'd say the maxima could take the supra given the same transmission layout (auto v auto, 5sp v 5sp). similarly, last week i ran a nonturbo 3000GT 5 speed by about 5 lengths to 80mph from a light.

Neal

 

At least you didn't say VR4. . . While I am sure Loren did beat the guy, or at least had a capable car, that was quite an interesting time we had with the VR4 guys. . .

As for beating the Supra. . . Let us know what happens if you race him.

 

raced one before, none-turbo 5spd. embarrassed him infront of his girlfriend. lol

 

I was the one who smoked the **** out of that Supra NON-TURBO!!,this was not started about a TURBO no Maxima owner without a built engine would say that they beat a 93+ Twin Turbo Supra then he had the nerve to chicken out on the little 0-120 test that I would have killed him on too. This was on my 1996 Nissan Maxima SE 5-speed, which also smoked the **** out of a twin turbo stealth to 120 ( what a piece of **** Dodge). Now I have a new Max that currently with my box in it will not run but about 7 flat to 60, take the box out with my muffler on it and my intake from my 92 GXE and you get, 6.5, 6.8,6.7, stop watch on three different runs on the same exact street, now add that Inatke that Maxedout97SE has and that is a garrentied 6.4, 6.3 to 60, now wait till my CAI and my y-pipe and 60k service I am doing and I will pull 6.0 flat easy, not to mention roast a supra NON-TURBO 5-speed to 60, and rip the **** out of the auto. Oh and I almost forgot the guy has some heavy *** 18in OZ wheels on his car,(they do look BAD ***) that alone will slow him down even more. And as far as the **** they said about toyota being the best, I believe that it was said that the Maxima VQ "revs like no other engine this side of a Ferrari v8" not a Supra or Camry v6.
I have had the wonderfull pleasure of hearing that Ferrari v8 and that quote is completly true I have not heard an engine that revs like a Ferrari but the VQ enigne is damn close to it.
THAT IS MY F#$KIN 2 cents.

 

My question is even bother getting a Supra if it's not a turbo model? Kind of a waste, don't you think? It's like a Mustang or Camaro person getting a V6 model instead of the V8 beast. Too bad for us Maxima drivers, we can't even chose. Then again, you can ask me why did I get an auto, when I could have got a 5spd., right? Well, I was a "newbie" then, and knew little about cars; never mind, how to drive a 5spd. manual.

 

Soon, everyone, I will race him and rub it in everyone's face that thought they were cool tryin' to dis the VQ.
I will let everyone know....

 

"This was on my 1996 Nissan Maxima SE 5-speed, which also smoked the **** out of a twin turbo stealth to 120 (what a piece of **** Dodge)"

Ok, this didn't happen unless you: A) had a supercharger, and B) he had no clue how to drive his car.

You beat a car with all-wheel drive and 300 hp, huh? That pulled a 14.2 in the quarter (motor trend, Feb. '95)? If you can do better than a 14.2 without some SERIOUS money invested in mods, then either A) you're lying, or B) you're going down a steep hill (read: falling off a cliff). A stock '96 Maxima can do no better than 15 flat. And if you were so un-stock as to beat this guy, then you're not really comparing apples to apples anyway.


"Soon, everyone, I will race him and rub it in everyone's face that thought they were cool tryin' to dis the VQ."

I'm not trying to "dis the VQ". Hello, I DRIVE ONE. I love it! But my car stock is not substantially faster than a non-turbo Supra, if you're comparing same transmission models. Without some serious mods, we're neck and neck with the non-turbo Japanese sports cars from the 90's--300ZX, Stealth, 3000GT, and Supra. The minimal difference comes down to driver error. That's not a bad thing, either. We drive freakin' family cars!

Alex

 

he didn't know how to drive, by the way you don't really know that much about cars do you?
"Without some serious mods, we're neck and neck with the non-turbo Japanese sports cars from the 90's--300ZX, Stealth, 3000GT, and Supra. The minimal difference comes down to driver error."
The Stealth is an American made piece of ****, not a non-turbo japanese sports car.

 

I disagree. Mitsubishi made the engines for both the 3000GT and the Dodge Stealth. There were three versions available all made the same for both cars. Meaning the Stealth was actually japanese. Here are some specs:
http://stealth.senecac.on.ca/

 

just one question, isn't mitsubishi a branch off of crysler, which makes dodge?

 

If you're talking about mechanically, then no, I don't know a whole heck of a lot. If you're talking of performance stats, then I know an awful lot. I can quote you horsepower ratings and 0-60's for most any car made in the last 10 years. And that's the whole point here...Maxima's have gotten from 6.6 to 7.1 since '95 with a 5-speed. And these cars we're talking about got from 6.4 to 6.9. Here's something to think about: these cars had almost identical engines: 3.0 liter V-6's making 220 or 222 hp. That's 30 hp more than our Maxima's. They also weighed a couple hundred pounds more, however, making the performance stats nearly identical. You know what? I think you freak out too easily if your "friends" "dis the VQ". You seem to think that just because it has been called the "best V-6 in the world" and "revs like no other engine this side of a Ferrari" that you can beat any car on the street. Not true. Those quotes are very true however, for what you're not getting is that BEST does not necessarily mean "MOST POWERFUL". For its displacement, the Max's engine is of rather moderate output. However, those quotes are dead on because of the VQ's supreme smoothness and driveability. We have a "better" engine than a Viper...but our cars are nowhere near as fast. Though I'm sure yours is. And I lumped the Stealth in with the 3000GT because they are mechanically the same vehicle...it would be like putting the Ford Probe in with the Mazda MX-6...it's all the same under the surface. At least someone understood that. And another thing...the twin turbo Stealth actually had 320 hp from '94 on, 300 before. Make it an even 14.0 in the quarter mile. And with AWD, they'll hook up off the line better than any Maxima. Are you still sure you beat this "American-made piece of ****"? It's almost funny how this turned into this competition for you, and I guess for me too. We drive the same car, man! I'm not going to speak bad of it, but I am going to speak the truth. And the truth is that I don't care so much about "beating" every other car on the road, for if I did...I would be driving another car altogether. A drag racer the Maxima ain't. A finely-tuned precision sport sedan? That's more like it. See my post "I BEAT A VIPER!" in the miscellaneous section for a humerous take on all this.

Alex

 

You a dumbass ok I never said that beacuse my car has the best v-6 in the world I can beat everyone. So **** off

 

The intelligence of that reply humbles me. I stand corrected.

Alex

 

ok children, children... calm down!!

 

What is dental stud?

 

Just short for dental studENT...I'm in dental school. Not trying to brag on my teeth or anything...

 

like dental stud said... theres no way a stock or close to stock maxima's gonna run a Stealth R/T, unless perhaps the guy was hauling a half ton of bricks in the back. it amazes me the stories some people tell of victories that are not even remotely possible. As far as the supra n/a goes, my estimation is that it would come down to driver skill...

Neal
96 Max <---cant run a Stealth R/T, just like most of us.

 

AS FAR AS THE 0-60 TIMES ARE, THAT IS ALSO GOING TO MATTER ON WHERE YOU ARE LOCATED! IT ALL DEPENDS IF YOUR ABOVE OR BELOW SEA LEVEL!

 

Mags are BS man, just becuase one or two mags tested the 97 a tiny bit slower than when they tested a 95 DOESN'T mean this is true for all cars. I mean come on they "tested" the 2K max at 6.5 and my friend has one....and my '97 and his 2K are neck and neck all the way to 100 mph (when we were both stock) so there is NO way that on his best day he'd be luck to pull a 7 second 0-60. BrianV has recorded a 6.1 0-60 in his '97 max with CAI, y-pipe, and GReddy cat-back....so how can you say that 7 second BS???

 

YEA Mannn i raced one of these toyotas.. it was a supra but it was called celica supra?

I toasted it.but i'm not sure he was racing me cuz he started to laugh.

 

The driver. A bad driver in a Viper will have a tough time with a great driver in a Max. Not saying the Max will win that battle, but the driver makes the car, not the other way around.

Secondly, throw out all your damn mag number bull. You can't compare different numbers from different drivers from different barametric pressures, geometric regions, daily temperatures. There are too many factors to put "all" your faith in mag numbers. However, they do give us a frame of refference.

NT supra vs max is going to be test of drivers more than cars. There's no discussion beyond that. Race the Supra and tell us how it went. Win or lose, it's always nice to see a 4door sedan go up against the 2door sports cars.

BTW, nice to see a bunch of new faces around here.

 

"Mags are BS man, just becuase one or two mags tested the 97 a tiny bit slower than when they tested a 95 DOESN'T mean this is true for all cars. I mean come on they "tested" the 2K max at 6.5 and my friend has one....and my '97 and his 2K are neck and neck all the way to 100 mph (when we were both stock) so there is NO way that on his best day he'd be luck to pull a 7 second 0-60. BrianV has recorded a 6.1 0-60 in his '97 max with CAI, y-pipe, and GReddy cat-back....so how can you say that 7 second BS???"

I can say it because it's at least partly true. There is no doubt in my mind that the '97-9 Max's were slower than '95-6's, even if the difference is more minimal than the mags suggest. Why? It is commonly believed that the later models had stricter emissions and more sound deadening, which made the cars heavier. The brochure lists an SE 5-speed as heavier, though granted only by a few pounds. But even bigger than this--the wheel/tire diameter is larger. 215/55/16 works out to be about 2/3 of an inch more than 215/60/15. Any time you decrease that diameter, you're going to be faster--less rotational energy needed. I mean, we should all put 185/30/13 wheels and tires on our cars if we wanted to go faster...but they don't make them in that size, our speedo's would be way off, and our cars wouldn't handle worth crap. Larger wheels are heavier, as well, and more unsprung weight = slower acceleration.

I place no faith in someone's own recorded 0-60 times. How is this measured? Stopwatch? And who can assure me it was on a flat road? I recorded a 5.7 once in an AUTOMATIC stock Max with my stopwatch...then I realized it was down a slight hill. Mags may not always be spot-on accurate, but at least they use the same parameters for each vehicle (weather excepted). They're the best we've got, for 0-60. Quarter-mile is really what we ought to be discussing.

By the way, who recorded a 6.5 on a 2K? Best I've seen is a 6.7. No matter--and this is why:

What we're quibbling over is peanuts. Of course you ran with a 2K neck-and-neck--that's my whole point, and the whole problem with how this thread started. We're comparing cars that are practically EQUIVALENT. A '97 is slower than a '96...but a couple of tenths 0-60 is NEVER going to show up in a street race with two talented drivers. I raced my dad just last week up to about 65...I was in my '95 5-speed, he in a Mazda 626 AUTOMATIC. He's lucky to break 8 seconds to 60. And yes I won. But I was only about a car or two ahead...0-60 is just not enough time to pull away from someone bent on beating you--unless you've got a MUCH faster car. That's why it was so bogus to assume that we can all "smoke" a Supra. Or even for me to assume I can "smoke" you, because I have a '95 and you a '97. It's only a number. Your wheels look better than mine. I might be a car ahead of you in the quarter, however (assuming we're both stock). It's a trade-off. Learn to live with it, and please everyone stop worrying so much if your car isn't the fastest thing on four wheels. I repeat: A drag racer the Maxima ain't. I refuse to post to this thread any longer. Too many people fighting over nothing...I'm just telling you the truth. It's not personal--it's factual.

Alex

 

Thank you! At least 6.6!