Someone's misinformed. The DSMs use the japanese 2.0 4G63, the SRT uses a 2.4 made in Mexico. I do agree with choice though .

 

[QUOTE=Magikone69]dont get me wrong, i love my maxima to death but it has alot of flaws, it is in no way a perfect car as some of you would like to believe. the quality of the car overall is rather poor compared to an avalon, or a passat.


Ok ok I was going to say **** on this thread until I see some **** about are car's being compared to pile of **** know as the passat. What a heap. Never has there been a line of cars released worse than the new vw's. They have been proven over and over to be extremley unreliable. I hate vw's the way most people hate honda, and pushrod engines. All of my friends are vw kids. They all have brand new over priced mexican piles of fecies known as " v dubs". And they are constantly calling me needing a ride from the dealer ship where there brand new **** car is getting fixed agin. And passat's are the worst of the line up. Anemic engine's omg they are slow. 1.8t that pushes 150 horse power in a car 400 to 500 pounds more than are's they are a joke. Just like vw quality. Vw sales are at a low now to due to poor reviews by almost every one and here say by other vw owners. I hate the "NEON" yes that's right they are neon know as the srt 4. But I really hate vw's. Sorry to vent but I had to share my opinon. I'm sure lot's will disagree but that's what makes life great.

 

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i agree with you as far as engines, V Dub engines arent that great, and there is no car in the maximas class that has an engine better than the VQ. im mainly focusing on interior quality, and build quality. Avalons interoir materials are far better than the maxima, the leather is not only softer but it is very durable and resistant to cracking, the carpet is very nice and doesnt fave that tendency to start fuzzing out like maxima carpet. the dash is design very nicely with good materials that u can actually spray armorall on, (spray armorall on the black part of the dash on the gxe and you will get uneven amount of armorall wiped on, and little spots.) Even tho the passat is basicly a crapper, the cabin is very nice and the handling seems alot more stable than the max. i would never get a VW but im not affraid to admit they have some qualities that are better than the max.


you all laugh at neons the same way other car enthusiasts would laugh at maximas. maxima is no sports car, the only thing the maxima has going for it is the engine (as far as being a sports car). the tranny BOTH AUTO AND MANUAL are'nt the greatest platform on building a fast car. the gearing is very long which makes the car feel like guess what.... a 4 door grocery getter. the handling is horible and stock for stock cant hang with anything outside of its class. unlike the srt hich can hang with compacts and 350z's

Mods used to be scarce but now they seem to be picking up thanx to places like cattman, southwest auto works, and ange w/ redline who are developing and selling performance parts for our car (like the new headers, cams, y pipes...) but things are still a lil too expensive compared to other cars. even with cheap mods, installation of parts are a bish to do (as far as headers, cams) and can be expensive to install. Inline fours like the srt-4are very easy to work on and most shops can install mods in half the time for half the price of what a max would take. I love the vq and its performance and even tho im not much of a novice to doing mods, i do get frustrated doing things compared to working on my buddys 240sx and eclispse which are very easy to work on (even tho they are slow lil) srt parts are cheap thanx to a wide variety of manufacturers and the actual INTEREST their owners create.

everyone complains how there should be more parts for the maxima but after things are created, those same people that complain seem to disapeer.

the looks of the maxima are strictly oppinion and i like the way the max looks but even with a stillen kit and some rims, it still doesnt give alot of people that impression of it being a sporty car. no matter what you do to make it look nice it is still a groccery getting soccer mom maxima. which is what alot of u are saying about the neon, "its still a crappy lil american compact."

well i think i said enough, would i sell my max to get a neon???? maybe not. only because im a big guy and it really isnt a car for me but i still give it its props for being a fast, great handling, and stylish all for under 20k.

let the flaming begin

 

How can we make this about 4th Gen Maximas again?

 

simple fact the srt 4 is a 2005 our 4th gen only ended at 1999 that gave 5 years for dodge to try and come up with something good. we should be comparing the 6th gen with the srt-4

just my two cents

 

some people's gotta admit that our cars aren't the fastest cars in the damn world. people who appreciate other cars are sooooooooo lame? time to wake up man. the srt will have more potential than any max. sure we have a good engine, some comfy accessories but it's never gonna reach the full potential of say a civic or a neon.

The fastest neon i've seen was in the low 11's , a time that our maxes will probably never achieve.

 

for some reason when i was driving behind an SRT-4 and smelled burning oil i was not surprised.

i compare them to the old DSM's, great engine to mod, can get very fast, but it always burned oil.

And if i remember correctly dodge is using a Mitsu Engine and Tranny in the SRT-4, but I could be wrong on that.

 

thats what I keep telling everyone. Stupid Neon.

 

Well Hal trapped 122 MPH in his turbo Maxima. Only reason he was stuck in the 12's was because he was running on street tires. With slicks, that trap would have been good for mid to low 11's.

 

My bad, the fastest neon ran a 9.24

http://www.allpar.com/neon/scca.html

 

Wow. Lots of hate for the Neon in this thread. I see nothing wrong with a low 14 second turbocharged 4cyl car that goes for $20K. Its no Evo or STI, but nonetheless it raises the bar, and its another factory turbocharged car on the market. And you cant really compare it to a Maxima either. The Maxima is a much sport sedan, and the Neon is a budget schoolboy racer. They both fill their niche's quite nicely. I personally like my plan of a mildly modded Max for a daily driver and a project DSM as a racer.

 

The person i just mentioned was running completely stock internals. To be fair his engine would have to be built too.

 

Not to be real controversial but yeah dodge has been doing the whole turbo thing for a while now and if you look at the turbo dodges from the 80's which were fairly reliable for turbo cars and seemed to take redicoulous amounts of boost. Personally me being a 18 year old kid they have hit my market right on. I would love to own a neon SRT-4 no not becuase it is a beautiful car but it is cheap and has a lot of options. Personally I still wish I had bought an SE-R and put in a turbo but unfortunately I was talked out of that one.... (maybe after college).

Overall though the SRT is great for it's market and wasnt meant to be anything more then it is. If only Nissan could finally bring back say the origional Sentra SE-R or something that actually fits it image... simple, quick, cheap.

 

i give credit to dodge for being the first to do this to a car, getting a 4 banger and bolting on a turbo, but who cant do that. same way i think about the 2004 GTO who cant get a family car and put a big engine in it and make it fast but i give them credit for being the first to do it. but in the end it is still a neon and the maxima is still nicer to cruise in. and its not that i dont like the neon srt-4 i would buy one just to screw around in and stuff but i still would perfer a maxima cuz im more of an import guy they just seem more reliable

 

You're correct and the motor can take a beating..

 

Well then I suppose Nissan should get props for being the first to stick a V6 engine in the Maxima? How hard is that? What exactly do you want under the hood? Jet Engine? Solar Power? Geo-thermal energy? Yes, the Maxima is nicer to cruise in, but it would get its *** handed to it by the Neon. Different strokes for different folks.

 

A lot of you are bouncing all around the relevent points in my opinion. I think most of us ar ein agreement that we will not own a neon. Give dodge credit though. Like it has already been said, they give a lot of bang for the buck. A stock srt can hit 13.9's with a good driver. I stock 5 speed max, 14.7's with a good driver. This is a great feat for under $20k. However, like some of you have said, neons have not been known for their reliability. Most of the neons i've seen and known, have been Major POS's. They are high maintainance, and lets not even get started on their paint jobs. Basically overall, they are junk. However, there are always diamonds in the rough if you keep digging in the mines. Eventually, they will get it right. It is quite possible that they have become more durable. Bottom line, faster than my max, yes. Would I own one, never. That is simply my opinion.