Installed JWT Pop-Charger & Apex'i WS cat-back (initial impressions)
04-23-2001, 08:02 AM
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Holy crap!
I love the way my Max sounds now. I've got a 96 SE 5 speed, and I did a mini-tune up (recently crossed 100k!) and installed the above parts. I changed my fuel-filter and spark plugs and installed Matrix FSTB. I'm running Denso iridium plugs and have no complaints, nice idle.
Back to the matter at hand, my car sounds bad *** now! And the best part is that it only barks when I'm in the pedal. I notice that the midrange is even more awesome. From behind the car the Apex'i exhaust looks beautiful and sounds great. I like to think of it as a mini-V8. Its got a nice low grumble and when you go WOT is sounds awesome. Even my father said it was suprisingly quiet, he expected a lot more exhaust sound. These are my first mods and I'm so hooked. Next is gonna be a new cat, mines pretty rusted and looks horrible next to the Apex'i system. After that new flex pipe, mine is in pretty bad condition (I hate the NE, winter seasons!), and then Y-pipe.
For those of you considering and exhaust upgrade I definitely suggest the Apex'i WS cat-back. Its quality stuff (love the Apex'i engravings!) and sounds awesome without over doing it, and as far as pop-chargers go get JWT wht pay more for Stillen?
Next up, Koni, H&R install. And some x-drilled rotors for the summer. I'm officially hooked, my bank account is gonna take a pounding this summer.
I love the way my Max sounds now. I've got a 96 SE 5 speed, and I did a mini-tune up (recently crossed 100k!) and installed the above parts. I changed my fuel-filter and spark plugs and installed Matrix FSTB. I'm running Denso iridium plugs and have no complaints, nice idle.
Back to the matter at hand, my car sounds bad *** now! And the best part is that it only barks when I'm in the pedal. I notice that the midrange is even more awesome. From behind the car the Apex'i exhaust looks beautiful and sounds great. I like to think of it as a mini-V8. Its got a nice low grumble and when you go WOT is sounds awesome. Even my father said it was suprisingly quiet, he expected a lot more exhaust sound. These are my first mods and I'm so hooked. Next is gonna be a new cat, mines pretty rusted and looks horrible next to the Apex'i system. After that new flex pipe, mine is in pretty bad condition (I hate the NE, winter seasons!), and then Y-pipe.
For those of you considering and exhaust upgrade I definitely suggest the Apex'i WS cat-back. Its quality stuff (love the Apex'i engravings!) and sounds awesome without over doing it, and as far as pop-chargers go get JWT wht pay more for Stillen?
Next up, Koni, H&R install. And some x-drilled rotors for the summer. I'm officially hooked, my bank account is gonna take a pounding this summer.
04-23-2001, 08:08 AM
#3
Originally posted by 2ndMAX
Holy crap!
I love the way my Max sounds now. I've got a 96 SE 5 speed, and I did a mini-tune up (recently crossed 100k!) and installed the above parts. I changed my fuel-filter and spark plugs and installed Matrix FSTB. I'm running Denso iridium plugs and have no complaints, nice idle.
Back to the matter at hand, my car sounds bad *** now! And the best part is that it only barks when I'm in the pedal. I notice that the midrange is even more awesome. From behind the car the Apex'i exhaust looks beautiful and sounds great. I like to think of it as a mini-V8. Its got a nice low grumble and when you go WOT is sounds awesome. Even my father said it was suprisingly quiet, he expected a lot more exhaust sound. These are my first mods and I'm so hooked. Next is gonna be a new cat, mines pretty rusted and looks horrible next to the Apex'i system. After that new flex pipe, mine is in pretty bad condition (I hate the NE, winter seasons!), and then Y-pipe.
For those of you considering and exhaust upgrade I definitely suggest the Apex'i WS cat-back. Its quality stuff (love the Apex'i engravings!) and sounds awesome without over doing it, and as far as pop-chargers go get JWT wht pay more for Stillen?
Next up, Koni, H&R install. And some x-drilled rotors for the summer. I'm officially hooked, my bank account is gonna take a pounding this summer.
Holy crap!
I love the way my Max sounds now. I've got a 96 SE 5 speed, and I did a mini-tune up (recently crossed 100k!) and installed the above parts. I changed my fuel-filter and spark plugs and installed Matrix FSTB. I'm running Denso iridium plugs and have no complaints, nice idle.
Back to the matter at hand, my car sounds bad *** now! And the best part is that it only barks when I'm in the pedal. I notice that the midrange is even more awesome. From behind the car the Apex'i exhaust looks beautiful and sounds great. I like to think of it as a mini-V8. Its got a nice low grumble and when you go WOT is sounds awesome. Even my father said it was suprisingly quiet, he expected a lot more exhaust sound. These are my first mods and I'm so hooked. Next is gonna be a new cat, mines pretty rusted and looks horrible next to the Apex'i system. After that new flex pipe, mine is in pretty bad condition (I hate the NE, winter seasons!), and then Y-pipe.
For those of you considering and exhaust upgrade I definitely suggest the Apex'i WS cat-back. Its quality stuff (love the Apex'i engravings!) and sounds awesome without over doing it, and as far as pop-chargers go get JWT wht pay more for Stillen?
Next up, Koni, H&R install. And some x-drilled rotors for the summer. I'm officially hooked, my bank account is gonna take a pounding this summer.
04-23-2001, 08:43 AM
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Come to think of it there was a little loss...
Originally posted by deezo
I hear ya. I am trying to keep control too. How does your ride sound on the road and do you notice any power-loss on low end engine performance?
I hear ya. I am trying to keep control too. How does your ride sound on the road and do you notice any power-loss on low end engine performance?
04-23-2001, 08:47 AM
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Re: Come to think of it there was a little loss...
Originally posted by 2ndMAX
I did notice a little low-end loss, not much though. Its gonna take a week more for me to really realize if there is any negligable loss. The car sounds so sweet I always find myself getting into the pedal. Sweet part is that even at half-throttle my Max sounds great. But to answer your question based on my initial impression, there is a small low-end loss.
I did notice a little low-end loss, not much though. Its gonna take a week more for me to really realize if there is any negligable loss. The car sounds so sweet I always find myself getting into the pedal. Sweet part is that even at half-throttle my Max sounds great. But to answer your question based on my initial impression, there is a small low-end loss.
04-23-2001, 08:55 AM
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Re: Come to think of it there was a little loss...
Originally posted by 2ndMAX
I did notice a little low-end loss, not much though. Its gonna take a week more for me to really realize if there is any negligable loss. The car sounds so sweet I always find myself getting into the pedal. Sweet part is that even at half-throttle my Max sounds great. But to answer your question based on my initial impression, there is a small low-end loss.
I did notice a little low-end loss, not much though. Its gonna take a week more for me to really realize if there is any negligable loss. The car sounds so sweet I always find myself getting into the pedal. Sweet part is that even at half-throttle my Max sounds great. But to answer your question based on my initial impression, there is a small low-end loss.
04-23-2001, 09:32 AM
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Re: Re: Come to think of it there was a little loss...
Originally posted by deezo
So do you think this loss will prevent you getting the jump off the line? Sorry for all the questions but I am looking to do the same mods during the summer and just waqnt to get all the info I can about the Pop charger.
So do you think this loss will prevent you getting the jump off the line? Sorry for all the questions but I am looking to do the same mods during the summer and just waqnt to get all the info I can about the Pop charger.
Disclaimer: Remember these are my first mods, and my impressions. Other opinions will vary. I have not tried the Greddy cat-back ($$$) and I'm not a fan of CAI's(cut a whole, where!?!?). So my post compare my mods to stock equipment and nothing else.
"Remember, look into your heart for wisdom and under your seat for change"
PS: pics coming soon!
04-23-2001, 09:47 AM
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My cousin's got a Tanabe dual setup on his 300ZX, and it has a nice, nice V8 rumble at idle, and low revs, but once you take it up high in the powerband, it totally sounds like a friggin' Civic. I definitely don't want that. How's that WS sound at lower rpm? I wouldn't want it too quiet...I'd like to know that I've got something, even if I'm not getting on it.
04-23-2001, 10:19 AM
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Give me even more reason to buy an Apexi WS exhaust. I'll get it as soon as I get the $ or have a credit card I can use that isn't over limit. 
Btw, you said you're not a fan of the CAI. I think you should really think about get a CAI. Cutting the hole isn't a big deal really. You will love the sound that it make, more aggressive than the cone intake. Just thought you should know that. If you think the cone intake is great, the CAI will take you over the edge. 
Btw, you said you're not a fan of the CAI. I think you should really think about get a CAI. Cutting the hole isn't a big deal really. You will love the sound that it make, more aggressive than the cone intake. Just thought you should know that. If you think the cone intake is great, the CAI will take you over the edge.
04-23-2001, 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by SuperBlackSE
My cousin's got a Tanabe dual setup on his 300ZX, and it has a nice, nice V8 rumble at idle, and low revs, but once you take it up high in the powerband, it totally sounds like a friggin' Civic. I definitely don't want that. How's that WS sound at lower rpm? I wouldn't want it too quiet...I'd like to know that I've got something, even if I'm not getting on it.
My cousin's got a Tanabe dual setup on his 300ZX, and it has a nice, nice V8 rumble at idle, and low revs, but once you take it up high in the powerband, it totally sounds like a friggin' Civic. I definitely don't want that. How's that WS sound at lower rpm? I wouldn't want it too quiet...I'd like to know that I've got something, even if I'm not getting on it.
04-23-2001, 01:15 PM
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I have the A'pexi WS and it's awesome. Very deep at low RPM's....and the intake takes over at high rpms...not like a Civic AT ALL. Never sounds ricey at any rpm or throttle position. the setup with the JWT and WS cat-back is just great sounding all around.
04-23-2001, 01:48 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Come to think of it there was a little loss...
Originally posted by 2ndMAX
Read this and put your mind at ease. I was very skeptical about the gains that the pop-charger and exhaust would give. I decided to do them because of two reasons. (1) I got the exhaust on a great deal (thanks Wicked1044!) and Apex'i WS was designed to improve mid-range and remain a very streetable (sound-wise), (2) the pop-charger was a great deal(thanks Paul @AvalonRacing) and all of the dyno charts I've seen for 4th gen Max post at least a 4hp peak gain. Not much but definitely an improvement. Now, after installing these again I highly recommend them both. My "butt-dyno" has been smiling all weekend. In regular driving I find myself travelling faster than before. The car really picks up. To answer your question it will not hurt your jump off the line. Remember there are three benefits to the above mentioned parts. Improved flow (in and out), increased longevity (Apex'i is a nice piece neat welds and good construction, and JWT pop just clean and never buy another air-filter), and improved sound. Did I say my Max sounds awesome?!?! (j/k) But seriously for manual drivers these parts greatly help with rev-matching. I used to pay close attention the the tach and speedo, now I just listen for the engine. Downshifts sound absolutely awesome!
Disclaimer: Remember these are my first mods, and my impressions. Other opinions will vary. I have not tried the Greddy cat-back ($$$) and I'm not a fan of CAI's(cut a whole, where!?!?). So my post compare my mods to stock equipment and nothing else.
"Remember, look into your heart for wisdom and under your seat for change"
PS: pics coming soon!
Read this and put your mind at ease. I was very skeptical about the gains that the pop-charger and exhaust would give. I decided to do them because of two reasons. (1) I got the exhaust on a great deal (thanks Wicked1044!) and Apex'i WS was designed to improve mid-range and remain a very streetable (sound-wise), (2) the pop-charger was a great deal(thanks Paul @AvalonRacing) and all of the dyno charts I've seen for 4th gen Max post at least a 4hp peak gain. Not much but definitely an improvement. Now, after installing these again I highly recommend them both. My "butt-dyno" has been smiling all weekend. In regular driving I find myself travelling faster than before. The car really picks up. To answer your question it will not hurt your jump off the line. Remember there are three benefits to the above mentioned parts. Improved flow (in and out), increased longevity (Apex'i is a nice piece neat welds and good construction, and JWT pop just clean and never buy another air-filter), and improved sound. Did I say my Max sounds awesome?!?! (j/k) But seriously for manual drivers these parts greatly help with rev-matching. I used to pay close attention the the tach and speedo, now I just listen for the engine. Downshifts sound absolutely awesome!
Disclaimer: Remember these are my first mods, and my impressions. Other opinions will vary. I have not tried the Greddy cat-back ($$$) and I'm not a fan of CAI's(cut a whole, where!?!?). So my post compare my mods to stock equipment and nothing else.
"Remember, look into your heart for wisdom and under your seat for change"
PS: pics coming soon!
04-23-2001, 02:43 PM
#18
Originally posted by Chunger
88 dB for the GReddy... no Y, stock cat
88 dB for the GReddy... no Y, stock cat
04-23-2001, 04:00 PM
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Greddy answers
I think 88db is right. I have the JWT popcharger and Greddy Catback system. At normal accelleration, the noise is not even noticeable, but give it a little more juice and it purrs. At 60 mph you can not even tell it is there. About 2200 rpm there is a slight drone, but it is not as loud as not having a muffler (been there). Wait till you go for a long trip and see your gas mileage improve. I drove from Birmingham from Memphis with this setup and got over 33mpg going 75-78mph the entire way.
98sterlingmistSE- JWT Popcharger Intake, Greddy Catback Exhaust, Stillen FSTB, 35%tint, Fully Loaded
98sterlingmistSE- JWT Popcharger Intake, Greddy Catback Exhaust, Stillen FSTB, 35%tint, Fully Loaded
04-23-2001, 04:40 PM
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deezo....yeah i remember when i got my HKS universal system w/ custom b-pipe put on my car...it wasn't loud at all. but when i put my y-pipe on, different story. it's loud...i liked it for a couple of years and still kinda do, but it does get annoying after awhile. the y-pipe will make your exhaust louder, so be prepared for that..but i am thinking about switchin my system out for the apex'i anyways because of the silencer that can be purchased. anyways, congrats on your new toys..enjoy. the obsession won't stop, believe me!!
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04-23-2001, 06:41 PM
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$$$$$
How much for the apexi WS?
I found this http://www.cartuningparts.com
Sells them for 499$ 25% off comes to around 375$
THis a good deal? I ready with CC in hand
R
I found this http://www.cartuningparts.com
Sells them for 499$ 25% off comes to around 375$
THis a good deal? I ready with CC in hand
R
04-23-2001, 08:43 PM
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Re: $$$$$
Originally posted by Gumby510
How much for the apexi WS?
I found this http://www.cartuningparts.com
Sells them for 499$ 25% off comes to around 375$
THis a good deal? I ready with CC in hand
R
How much for the apexi WS?
I found this http://www.cartuningparts.com
Sells them for 499$ 25% off comes to around 375$
THis a good deal? I ready with CC in hand
R
I was very impressed to say the least.
04-25-2001, 08:26 AM
#27
Originally posted by sachin98max
deezo....yeah i remember when i got my HKS universal system w/ custom b-pipe put on my car...it wasn't loud at all. but when i put my y-pipe on, different story. it's loud...i liked it for a couple of years and still kinda do, but it does get annoying after awhile. the y-pipe will make your exhaust louder, so be prepared for that..but i am thinking about switchin my system out for the apex'i anyways because of the silencer that can be purchased. anyways, congrats on your new toys..enjoy. the obsession won't stop, believe me!!
sachin
deezo....yeah i remember when i got my HKS universal system w/ custom b-pipe put on my car...it wasn't loud at all. but when i put my y-pipe on, different story. it's loud...i liked it for a couple of years and still kinda do, but it does get annoying after awhile. the y-pipe will make your exhaust louder, so be prepared for that..but i am thinking about switchin my system out for the apex'i anyways because of the silencer that can be purchased. anyways, congrats on your new toys..enjoy. the obsession won't stop, believe me!!
sachin
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