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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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H&R vs. H-Tech springs

Slowly, but surely (thanks to everybody's input) I'm getting closer to figuring out what I want my suspension setup to be. The Illumina's are in, along with Ben's rear shocks mounts, but now I need your help in comparing these two springs for me. (I'll worry about the all the other small bits and pieces later)

I've settled on these 2 springs cause is sounds like they best suit my needs. Comfort, good handling characteristics, along with nice finished drops (not looking to slam it btw) and were likened to each other on Maxmods

As for the H&R's, my only concern is that they may produce an uneven drop. I've got an auto, so I hear they may give an even drop, but I'm gonna have a sub in the trunk, which may tip that fine balance.

As for the H-Tech's, I really haven't heard much about them. Drop wise, I've heard that they produce an even drop for the manual guys, but I've got an auto. I don't mind a slightly raked look though, and with a sub in the trunk, it might even it out quite nicely, but I don't know how they stack up to the H&R's in terms of comfort and handling.

Any information would be greatly appreciated, and if possible, pics of auto's with subs in the trunk on either H&R's or H-Tech's would be wonderful.

OMT (does any know the spring rates for the H&R's?)
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 01:48 PM
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go with the H-techs from pics i've seen they sit very nicely; with the front dipped just a bit lower

they look to me like the S.tech's stance wise, just about .5" taller all around
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 01:50 PM
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who has htechs i am also interested?
I was looking at H techs? sorry if i am hijacking thread
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 02:15 PM
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If you have an automatic, I think either spring will work. It's just the 5 speeds with H&Rs give an uneven drop due to the 500lbs lighter tranny. I have a 5 speed and am going with the whole Tokiko set-up. Just my 2 cents.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 03:00 PM
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Either is good. I had a full car a few times with the Teins it didn't look like it sagged at all.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MAXIMABOY
If you have an automatic, I think either spring will work. It's just the 5 speeds with H&Rs give an uneven drop due to the 500lbs lighter tranny. I have a 5 speed and am going with the whole Tokiko set-up. Just my 2 cents.
You will have an "uneven" drop with Tokicos too.

Where do you get 500 lbs from?

The height difference between transmissions is less than you think.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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You will have an "uneven" drop with Tokicos too.

Where do you get 500 lbs from?

The height difference between transmissions is less than you think.
I got the 500lbs from a previous post. Wrong info huh? Okay then, what springs paired with Illuminas and a 5 speed give me an even drop? BUT a comfortable ride similar to H&Rs or Tokikos. Thanks mang
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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yeah 500lbs. is way off, sounds like somebody was guess-timating

i say screw all those ~1.5" drops

the main thing is stay away from STIFF springs......$hit, you could have stock ride height with a stiffer spring and it would feel like ***

always pair a softer spring with some stiffer struts though
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by A Flood99
yeah 500lbs. is way off, sounds like somebody was guess-timating

i say screw all those ~1.5" drops

the main thing is stay away from STIFF springs......$hit, you could have stock ride height with a stiffer spring and it would feel like ***

always pair a softer spring with some stiffer struts though
Hey, would Tein H-Techs be a better choice? For a 5 speed and all? I thought the whole Tokiko set-up would have worked fine. The Teins are compared to H&Rs in handling and comfort. What you think Grasshopper? LOL
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MAXIMABOY
Hey, would Tein H-Techs be a better choice? For a 5 speed and all? I thought the whole Tokiko set-up would have worked fine. The Teins are compared to H&Rs in handling and comfort. What you think Grasshopper? LOL
Ugh, looked above and answered my own question. The H-Techs sit even for manual trannys. Done.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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I have an automatic and I am seriously considering H-Tech with Illuminas. If anyone knows best place to buy the H-Techs please post the Cheapest I have found so far are for $162 + SH.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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^^^ once again i don't think it'll sit exactly even

all tein springs i've seen on maxima's have the front dipped just slightly more than the rear

a little more with the S.techs.....but the H.techs definitely provide a sexy drop, very sporty
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I think that is it from Optionimports right. If you got that link from Maxmods. $162. is cheap. That's where I'm getting mine.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:50 PM
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Patrick (phenryiv1) who I bought my h-techs from awhile ago...still haven't put them on, had both H&Rs and h-techs on his I30. I read a review he wrote before he wrecked the car and it essentially said they were very comparable with h-techs being slightly better handling and slightly less comfortable than the H&Rs. He liked the H-techs better.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Terran
Patrick (phenryiv1) who I bought my h-techs from awhile ago...still haven't put them on, had both H&Rs and h-techs on his I30. I read a review he wrote before he wrecked the car and it essentially said they were very comparable with h-techs being slightly better handling and slightly less comfortable than the H&Rs. He liked the H-techs better.
Thanks for the info man. Appreciate it.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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I have teh H-techs paired up with KYB GR-2's and I love the ride. It's slightly bouncy at times, but it's probably because of the strut/shocks. I've had this setup for over a year now and haven't had any trouble with them. They do not sag, the handling is drastically improved. The car does sit maybe .2 inches higher in the back but I kind of like the look. Right now I have a 2.5 finger gap in the front and 3 finger gap in the back with 205/65/15 tires. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BuNGsVQ
I have teh H-techs paired up with KYB GR-2's and I love the ride. It's slightly bouncy at times, but it's probably because of the strut/shocks. I've had this setup for over a year now and haven't had any trouble with them. They do not sag, the handling is drastically improved. The car does sit maybe .2 inches higher in the back but I kind of like the look. Right now I have a 2.5 finger gap in the front and 3 finger gap in the back with 205/65/15 tires. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Excellent. Thank you for your willingness to answer a few questions.
With that:
Q1 What kind of tranny do you have, auto or manual?
Q2 Do you have any subs in the trunk?
Q3 When you say bouncy, would you characterize it as being a harsh bouncy?
Q4 Do you have any profile pics so I can get a better understanding of the drop.

Thanks again for your help
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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A1 Auto
A2 1 10 inch Polk/MOMO
A3 Soft bouncy
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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You can visit my homepage to view an H-Tech drop.
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^^Very nice Bonka. Is the trunk pretty much empty in them pics of you parked on the curb?
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 07:23 AM
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H&R's will leave your front end looking raised up and busted. That is what I have and it sux. You got the right struts now go for the right springs, I would say the H-tech. Personally I would say the s-tech but...
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Yeah, my H&R's leave my front end up and looking busted...
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I have Intrax, the front is higher than the rear, don't really like it, but I may need the clearance for the soon to be installed stillen bodykit cause I'm only on 17z.
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Originally Posted by vortechpower
H&R's will leave your front end looking raised up and busted. That is what I have and it sux. You got the right struts now go for the right springs, I would say the H-tech. Personally I would say the s-tech but...
Hey guys (Vortechpower & Deezo)

Q1 What kind of Tranny's do you have? (I see that Deezo has an auto)

Q2 Would you happen to have subs in the trunk thus resulting in that busted up look?

Q3 Are you guys considering any other springs or rolling with the H&R's for a while?

sorry for the bombardment of questions
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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You can visit my homepage to view an H-Tech drop.
Bonka Sweet MAX! except i think, only my opinion though, that 18's would have looked nicer than 19's. Anyway you gotta tell me where you got your clear tails from! Those are the perfect conversion! (hmmmm wait a minute are all the bought, non-homemade clears that style?)
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Originally Posted by VTonmymind

...sorry for the bombardment of questions

dont appoligize man! thats what we're all here for, most of us have these same questions. i do at least. comon fellas, give us some answers to your experiences!
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BuNGsVQ, where did you get your clear tails?

(sorry about the irrelavent topic fellas)
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VTonmymind
Hey guys (Vortechpower & Deezo)

Q1 What kind of Tranny's do you have? (I see that Deezo has an auto)

Q2 Would you happen to have subs in the trunk thus resulting in that busted up look?

Q3 Are you guys considering any other springs or rolling with the H&R's for a while?

sorry for the bombardment of questions

I have no reason to go to anything else so I'm staying with the H&R's. I have a sub and 2 amps and the drop is still pretty even.
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MAXIMABOY
Ugh, looked above and answered my own question. The H-Techs sit even for manual trannys. Done.
H techs would be a good choice for what look and ride you are going for.

Originally Posted by maxgtr2000I
have Intrax, the front is higher than the rear, don't really like it, but I may need the clearance for the soon to be installed stillen bodykit cause I'm only on 17z.
Very true, the front is about a 1.5" drop while the rear is closer (or more) to the rated drop of 1.7". If you could get some upper mounts that raise the rear about 1/2" it will site pretty even. Intrax ride pretty well if you have the extra travel mounts for the rear.
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Is the trunk pretty much empty in them pics of you parked on the curb?
Empty stock form. Have the 16" full spare tire in there. About .5-1 finger gap more in the back.

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Anyway you gotta tell me where you got your clear tails from! Those are the perfect conversion! (hmmmm wait a minute are all the bought, non-homemade clears that style?)
They are the CM ones. I did the DIY version first but dropped the left side down and cracked the lens. Supposedly the Ebay ones have the clear marker lens in a different pattern but I thought it looked the same.

And the wheels...well I'm bored of them but I want to spend my money elsewhere for now.
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Originally Posted by Bonka
Empty stock form. Have the 16" full spare tire in there. About .5-1 finger gap more in the back.


They are the CM ones. I did the DIY version first but dropped the left side down and cracked the lens. Supposedly the Ebay ones have the clear marker lens in a different pattern but I thought it looked the same.

And the wheels...well I'm bored of them but I want to spend my money elsewhere for now.
Sell me your wheels Biatch!!!! I need them, I need them, I need them.!!!!! Now!!!
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Originally Posted by VTonmymind
Hey guys (Vortechpower & Deezo)

Q1 What kind of Tranny's do you have? (I see that Deezo has an auto)

Q2 Would you happen to have subs in the trunk thus resulting in that busted up look?

Q3 Are you guys considering any other springs or rolling with the H&R's for a while?

sorry for the bombardment of questions
I had a sub once but I took it out cause of the weight and it pushed the rear down. Even with an empty trunk( no jack or spare) and an empty gas tank the front still sits higher. So it's not an issue of weight, yes I have a 5spd but that is only 90lbs. I have s-techs sitting in the garage just waiting for my brother to hook me up with the illumina's! He has that combo on his 01 and damn it is nice. Adjust it to soft or rock hard . Go for an even drop(wheel gap). I won't mind the stechs being lower in the front, better! H&Rs give your car an even drop but your wheel gap isnt nowhere near even.
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H&Rs give your car an even drop but your wheel gap isnt nowhere near even.
I dont get what you mean by this vtech? even drop but uneven wheel gap?
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 06:09 PM
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I dont get what you mean by this vtech? even drop but uneven wheel gap?
Yeah, kind of contradicting statements there, unless we are both s.....
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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seriously id rather my car it tilt forward than backward! thats even cool than an even drop! imo
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:06 AM
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I have Illuminas with H-Techs. Manual tranny. drop is nice and even, not "slammed" but lowered. very nice ride if u have ur illuminas set at medium or even soft settings. Obviously if u have them set high (like i ussually do at 3-4,5)) the ride will be rougher =P all in all tho they rok.
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h-techs

I have the h-techs, got them off ebay for 155.00 shipped and i have kyb gr2s They produce a even drop about @ 1.50 all around. And i have 3-12' polk momo in the trunk. The ride is slightly stiffer than stock. (on se) My old setup was the gr2's and maxspeeds and they rode really stiff and bumpy. By the way i have a a/t
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Originally Posted by MAXIMABOY
Yeah, kind of contradicting statements there, unless we are both s.....

he means this because our front wheel well is larger than the back wheel well, so even if the springs give us an even drop, the wheel gap will look larger in the front. so he wasnt contradicting himself and i guess you both are s just kidding haha.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 11:01 AM
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check out my cardomain with H&R's and automatic, sits pretty even, fron may be a tiny bit lower then the back.

tranny wieght difference is 100lbs
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Well, I've finally decided on what I'm goin to get. This is what confirmed it for me...

Originally Posted by packetattack
H&Rs. The quality on H&Rs is much better. Its a German manufactured spring. Audi, BMW, Porsche all run this spring.

Tein H-Techs aren't bad, but they are a lower drop and not sure they have and anti-sag guarantee. I am running H&Rs and have no complaints at all.

I have two amps, two 12s, a box and no sag.



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