what about our top end?
03-16-2005, 11:21 PM
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what about our top end?
THIS IS NOT A RACE THREAD !!!
my friend has a 99 accord sedan 4 banger vtec with just an AEM intake. thing got 100k miles and its auto.
my max is auto as well and i got intake + y pipe.
now here is the deal :
everytime we race from a dead stop, i toast this guy real bad, i mean reallllllllll bad, even though i have a lot less traction off the line, i still manage to put 1-2 cars on him by 60 mph. but everytime we race from a roll, its a looooooot closer, especially from 40 mph. his thing can keep up with me a loooooot better when we go at it from a roll. sometimes he is dead even rollin next to me and i just barely start pullin away and maybe put 1 car on him till 100 mph.
whats the deal here? the max has no top end or VTEC really owns us ?? i thought the 215+ torque would toast this guy even wrose from a roll but it has never happened. discuss power band please
my friend has a 99 accord sedan 4 banger vtec with just an AEM intake. thing got 100k miles and its auto.
my max is auto as well and i got intake + y pipe.
now here is the deal :
everytime we race from a dead stop, i toast this guy real bad, i mean reallllllllll bad, even though i have a lot less traction off the line, i still manage to put 1-2 cars on him by 60 mph. but everytime we race from a roll, its a looooooot closer, especially from 40 mph. his thing can keep up with me a loooooot better when we go at it from a roll. sometimes he is dead even rollin next to me and i just barely start pullin away and maybe put 1 car on him till 100 mph.
whats the deal here? the max has no top end or VTEC really owns us ?? i thought the 215+ torque would toast this guy even wrose from a roll but it has never happened. discuss power band please
03-16-2005, 11:25 PM
#2
sounds like VTEC is good for the top end. its weird tho, when i had a rental 01 accord I4 auto with VTEC, the top end on that thing sucked @$$, barely got to 120 and took so damn long. maybe the intake had something to do with it.
03-17-2005, 12:07 AM
#4
What you descibed is exactly what is expected. Going from a roll will be more top end. While from a stop, torque will make more of a difference up to a point. JWT ECU and MEVI or -k VIM will help a lot.
03-17-2005, 01:36 AM
#6
My friend has the same accord but w/ header and I smoke him from a stop but it's closER from a roll, but it's still not close, there's car lengths between us. That's where all their power is, vtec is the best going for them.
It's kinda like, we have the most power from 2000 to 5800 They have the most power 3500-7200
40mph is a bad speed, hold it in 2 and race from 55mph, that will put you right in the power band and you should pull away right away.
It's kinda like, we have the most power from 2000 to 5800 They have the most power 3500-7200
40mph is a bad speed, hold it in 2 and race from 55mph, that will put you right in the power band and you should pull away right away.
03-17-2005, 08:27 AM
#9
well from owning an VTEC accord and a maxima there should be NO contest - intake or not. My accord could get owned by a golf cart off the line. Top end isnt bad (at least from 35-75ish) the VTEC makes a considerable difference. However unless you do the H22 or F20 swap you only have a single cam VTEC - which barely does anything for performance. Its purpose in a single cam accord is merely for gas mileage.
Now dual cam VTEC - thats a different story.......... about did the H22 swap myself and not bought the max. Good thing i changed my mind.
Now dual cam VTEC - thats a different story.......... about did the H22 swap myself and not bought the max. Good thing i changed my mind.
03-17-2005, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by aznprid972
A 40mph punch in an auto Maxima SUCKS!!! The reason being is that's when our second gear starts. At 30 or 50, you would make a bigger difference.
yeah last night we went at it at 40 mph, i punched the max but nothing happend, no jump and no downshift cuz of stupid auto, he was rollin right next to me for like 10 sec then i started to pull away. he kept talkin $hit about how he can keep up hahahaha
03-17-2005, 08:36 AM
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I have a friend with a 98 Accord VTEC V6 auto. He bought the car in December and it has about 85 K on it and has been maintained. Its stock. He keeps ragging on me that he can take me and wants to try it from a rolling start. He drives like an old man and would probably pull the pin at about 80 to 90 mph.
I have a 95SE 5-speed with 57,500 mostly highway miles. My car runs well. I have a K&N panel air filter and a Budget Y-pipe and know how to drive.
What mph starting point (from a roll) would be to my advantage? I am sure I can beat him from a stop and any starting point he wants to begin at.
Two old farts going at it on the highway, lol!
I have a 95SE 5-speed with 57,500 mostly highway miles. My car runs well. I have a K&N panel air filter and a Budget Y-pipe and know how to drive.
What mph starting point (from a roll) would be to my advantage? I am sure I can beat him from a stop and any starting point he wants to begin at.
Two old farts going at it on the highway, lol!
03-17-2005, 08:39 AM
#13
well when you start from a roll the accord will almost always have an advantage bc most likely his RPM's will be close to optimal range for the VTEC to kick in (about 3 grand) - so he most likely will take off from there.
i cant really speak for a V6 VTEC bc mines a four banger but the concept remains the same being a single cam.
i cant really speak for a V6 VTEC bc mines a four banger but the concept remains the same being a single cam.
03-17-2005, 08:42 AM
#14
Originally Posted by 98MikeXimaSE
THIS IS NOT A RACE THREAD !!!
my friend has a 99 accord sedan 4 banger vtec with just an AEM intake. thing got 100k miles and its auto.
my max is auto as well and i got intake + y pipe.
now here is the deal :
everytime we race from a dead stop, i toast this guy real bad, i mean reallllllllll bad, even though i have a lot less traction off the line, i still manage to put 1-2 cars on him by 60 mph. but everytime we race from a roll, its a looooooot closer, especially from 40 mph. his thing can keep up with me a loooooot better when we go at it from a roll. sometimes he is dead even rollin next to me and i just barely start pullin away and maybe put 1 car on him till 100 mph.
whats the deal here? the max has no top end or VTEC really owns us ?? i thought the 215+ torque would toast this guy even wrose from a roll but it has never happened. discuss power band please
my friend has a 99 accord sedan 4 banger vtec with just an AEM intake. thing got 100k miles and its auto.
my max is auto as well and i got intake + y pipe.
now here is the deal :
everytime we race from a dead stop, i toast this guy real bad, i mean reallllllllll bad, even though i have a lot less traction off the line, i still manage to put 1-2 cars on him by 60 mph. but everytime we race from a roll, its a looooooot closer, especially from 40 mph. his thing can keep up with me a loooooot better when we go at it from a roll. sometimes he is dead even rollin next to me and i just barely start pullin away and maybe put 1 car on him till 100 mph.
whats the deal here? the max has no top end or VTEC really owns us ?? i thought the 215+ torque would toast this guy even wrose from a roll but it has never happened. discuss power band please
Clee has a good vid of himself racing a V6 Accord VTEC and the were pretty close until they got up into the high rpm range. The Accord started walking him. With the VI and ECU, the outcome isn't the same.
03-17-2005, 09:02 AM
#16
Originally Posted by rmurdoch
I have a friend with a 98 Accord VTEC V6 auto. He bought the car in December and it has about 85 K on it and has been maintained. Its stock. He keeps ragging on me that he can take me and wants to try it from a rolling start. He drives like an old man and would probably pull the pin at about 80 to 90 mph.
I have a 95SE 5-speed with 57,500 mostly highway miles. My car runs well. I have a K&N panel air filter and a Budget Y-pipe and know how to drive.
What mph starting point (from a roll) would be to my advantage? I am sure I can beat him from a stop and any starting point he wants to begin at.
Two old farts going at it on the highway, lol!
I have a 95SE 5-speed with 57,500 mostly highway miles. My car runs well. I have a K&N panel air filter and a Budget Y-pipe and know how to drive.
What mph starting point (from a roll) would be to my advantage? I am sure I can beat him from a stop and any starting point he wants to begin at.
Two old farts going at it on the highway, lol!
03-17-2005, 09:05 AM
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Yeah, I could trick him into that and maybe talk him into quitting at 90 at which time he would be filling his pants, the feather in his hat would be trembling, and I would be still high in 3rd gear where my y-pipe pays dividends.
03-17-2005, 09:15 AM
#18
i have never lost to any vtech honda in my life i have 5spd 99 max w/ intake, y pipe, straight pipe, stage 2 clutch, and i toast my cousins v6 vtech from roll and dead stop all the way to 140+ lol now people know how i lost my license aactually i lost to one honda :-( the S2000
03-17-2005, 09:22 AM
#20
Originally Posted by SiCkBLaCKMaX99
i have never lost to any vtech honda in my life i have 5spd 99 max w/ intake, y pipe, straight pipe, stage 2 clutch, and i toast my cousins v6 vtech from roll and dead stop all the way to 140+ lol now people know how i lost my license aactually i lost to one honda :-( the S2000
03-17-2005, 09:25 AM
#22
Originally Posted by SiCkBLaCKMaX99
i have never lost to any vtech honda in my life i have 5spd 99 max w/ intake, y pipe, straight pipe, stage 2 clutch, and i toast my cousins v6 vtech from roll and dead stop all the way to 140+ lol now people know how i lost my license aactually i lost to one honda :-( the S2000
I lost to a s2k also, but all i can say, it was a close close match up with me.
we were side by side until end of 2nd gear, than on 3rd, he started to pull about 1/2 car and after that, 1/4 mile ended.
03-17-2005, 09:30 AM
#25
i have raced Vtec and I4 vtec hondas in my auto top end sucked as usual.....the thing with hondas is no torque......but they sure can make up for it in top end....i havent raced any with ym 5spd yet.....hopin to do some honda killing this summer
03-17-2005, 10:13 AM
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Why would the Honduh manual call for these VTEC V6s to use 87 octane fuel, which is what my friend uses. I've never used 87 octane in my Maxima once and don't intend to unless I am almost out of gas and thats all they have and only 1 gallon then.
03-17-2005, 10:33 AM
#34
Originally Posted by rmurdoch
Why would the Honduh manual call for these VTEC V6s to use 87 octane fuel, which is what my friend uses. I've never used 87 octane in my Maxima once and don't intend to unless I am almost out of gas and thats all they have and only 1 gallon then.
03-17-2005, 10:39 AM
#35
Yo Mike, where do you guys race??? I've been at your side of town a couple of times lately and hasn't seen your Max anywhere.
If you haven't, try turning off overdrive then punch it. Or put the tranny on L2, then punch it. But this is the kind of stuff that kills auto trannies quickly.
If you haven't, try turning off overdrive then punch it. Or put the tranny on L2, then punch it. But this is the kind of stuff that kills auto trannies quickly.
Originally Posted by 98MikeXimaSE
yeah last night we went at it at 40 mph, i punched the max but nothing happend, no jump and no downshift cuz of stupid auto, he was rollin right next to me for like 10 sec then i started to pull away. he kept talkin $hit about how he can keep up hahahaha
03-17-2005, 01:00 PM
#36
Originally Posted by DR-Max
Yo Mike, where do you guys race??? I've been at your side of town a couple of times lately and hasn't seen your Max anywhere.
If you haven't, try turning off overdrive then punch it. Or put the tranny on L2, then punch it. But this is the kind of stuff that kills auto trannies quickly.
If you haven't, try turning off overdrive then punch it. Or put the tranny on L2, then punch it. But this is the kind of stuff that kills auto trannies quickly.
rmurdoch - that's cool to hear that you still get enjoyment out of that kind of stuff, more power to ya.
03-17-2005, 01:15 PM
#37
Oh no, manual shifting doesn't harm anything. But racing and manual shifting is a different story.
Originally Posted by BigLou93SE
I thought I saw this discussed a while back - manually shifting an auto doesn't hurt the tranny, all putting the tranny in L2 is keeping it in that gear, nothing more.
rmurdoch - that's cool to hear that you still get enjoyment out of that kind of stuff, more power to ya.
rmurdoch - that's cool to hear that you still get enjoyment out of that kind of stuff, more power to ya.
03-17-2005, 01:59 PM
#39
Everyone knows our top end sucks, thats why guys swap out for MEVI's and 2K Intake Manifolds... why are we going through this again? Honda VTEC engines are KNOWN to have all top end power.. our weakness is their strength and vice versa.