Our 4th gen Paint- single or two stage?
Our 4th gen Paint- single or two stage?
been trying to find this out over on autopia after finding some color on the bottom of my polishing pad. They are telling me that my max has single stage paint. I was skeptical at first but then I found out that a 98 sentra uses single stage paint so I now I dont think that its impossible for the max to have single stage paint too. WHATS THE DEAL?????? I would have bet the ranch that our cars have clearcoat but now, I really am uncertain. I saw a pic of the 98 sentra with single stage paint and if somebody asked me if i thought there was a clearcoat on it, I would have said yes..and been wrong.
Our paint has clear coat on it. Don't let those autopian's fool you!
The color you are getting off your pad may simply be dirt, oxidation, orange peel, etc. It could be a number of different things, but in the end it's just crap that needs to come off. What process are you using for detailing? Did you clay? What machine are you using? I for one never get ANY color off my car besides the color of the chemicals that I'm using (obviously).
The color you are getting off your pad may simply be dirt, oxidation, orange peel, etc. It could be a number of different things, but in the end it's just crap that needs to come off. What process are you using for detailing? Did you clay? What machine are you using? I for one never get ANY color off my car besides the color of the chemicals that I'm using (obviously).
i washed, clayed and used sonus sfx2 and sfx3 using two white lake country pads with a PC between 3 and 5. I topped it with carnuba b/c i did not have my zaino with me. I know that when i look at my cars paint it resembles orange peel- why would this be coming off? What exactly IS the orange peel? And yes- it definately looks like some oxidation came off. the color is deeper now.
The other option is that your car was in an accident and the replacement panels were painted with a single stage paint.
Also a polished car will always have a deeper color even if your just removing a slight haze from the clearcoat you're allowing more light to the paint.
Also a polished car will always have a deeper color even if your just removing a slight haze from the clearcoat you're allowing more light to the paint.
Originally Posted by FormorAccordMan
i washed, clayed and used sonus sfx2 and sfx3 using two white lake country pads with a PC between 3 and 5. I topped it with carnuba b/c i did not have my zaino with me. I know that when i look at my cars paint it resembles orange peel- why would this be coming off? What exactly IS the orange peel? And yes- it definately looks like some oxidation came off. the color is deeper now.
Dan
One thing I know is my clear coat is starting to come off and my paint is starting to do something crazy .Correct me if i'm wrong, I heard orange peel was normal with every paint job, but when you cut and buff a car it removes the orange peel, basically you are wetsanding down the surface. A factory paint job is uncut on a majority of cars (Lambos and Ferraris may be different) that's maybe why paint job quotes are anywhere from $1200-$6000+ . Cheaper for just paint and buff, more expensive for a show car paint job; usually cut and buff to a super smooth surface, no orange peel. Any paint experts want to chime in?
Originally Posted by maxgtr2000
One thing I know is my clear coat is starting to come off and my paint is starting to do something crazy .Correct me if i'm wrong, I heard orange peel was normal with every paint job, but when you cut and buff a car it removes the orange peel, basically you are wetsanding down the surface. A factory paint job is uncut on a majority of cars (Lambos and Ferraris may be different) that's maybe why paint job quotes are anywhere from $1200-$6000+ . Cheaper for just paint and buff, more expensive for a show car paint job; usually cut and buff to a super smooth surface, no orange peel. Any paint experts want to chime in?
on how bad nissan paint is. Our clear coats are so freaking thin its not even funny.
if ur getting color on ur pad ur clearcoat may be gone if ur car has never been waxed also depends on where ur polishing........and pearl maximas are actually 3 stage paints.....orange peel is imperfection in the clearcoat...make it look like an orange usually only can be fixed with colorsanding and yes its normal on all paint and u wouldnt see it on a polishing pad anyway the only coor u will see if the basecoat if ur clearcoat is worn hrough due to lack of protection.....oxidation is basically no clearoat due to sun damage and ur car has no clearcoat protection anymore.......BUT its prolly just dirt or polish residue on ur pad.....but if its the saem color as ur car u might be in trouble......if u have close pics send them to me i took a whole course on autobody paint and refinishing(put on by PPG)
Originally Posted by GoalieKeg
Orange peel is best explained this way. When women (some men) exfoliate their face with mud, they are removing dead skin cells, dirt, oil, etc that your face has on it, thus making your face look younger, tighter, etc. This is basically what orange peel is, the "dirt" and "dead skin cells" that normal washing and light polishing doesn't remove.
http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/...4/index11.html
I think everyone has seen a car with a pebbled, uneven painted surface. In severe cases, the surface looks like the skin of an orange--hence the name "orange peel." The fact is many new cars have a slight amount of orange peel in the paint, and many paint manufacturers formulate their clearcoats to match the OEM orange peel finish. In this section we are talking about severe cases which can be caused by poor spraying technique, the spray gun too far from the surface it's painting, and incorrect air pressure. Incorrectly mixed paint or the use of incorrect thinner can also cause the rough finish. The problem can also be the result of insufficient drying time between coats.
If you run into this problem, try to use the correct spraying technique and make sure the gun is adjusted properly. Always apply the paint in thin even coats. Make sure the paint is mixed according to instructions, and allow sufficient drying time between coats. Also use the correct thinner for the weather to allow the paint enough time to flatten after it's sprayed.
If your finish has a certain amount of orange peel, you can sand the paint flat, compound, and polish the car. In severe cases you may have to sand the surface flat, and repaint the area or entire car.
If you run into this problem, try to use the correct spraying technique and make sure the gun is adjusted properly. Always apply the paint in thin even coats. Make sure the paint is mixed according to instructions, and allow sufficient drying time between coats. Also use the correct thinner for the weather to allow the paint enough time to flatten after it's sprayed.
If your finish has a certain amount of orange peel, you can sand the paint flat, compound, and polish the car. In severe cases you may have to sand the surface flat, and repaint the area or entire car.
Originally Posted by A Flood99
ummm, we have to have a clearcoat because i have a sticker under my hood that says "Hard Finish Clear Coat" "only use approved materials"
100% agree with mzmtg. Orange peel is not like dead skin at all, if it was your paint would peel off in chunks. Orange peel comes from applying the paint with too much pressure or wrong distance by the painting machines from factory. Most manufacturers even if they notice the defect, wont touch up the paint because of how much time it would take. To get rid of orange peel, you need to wetsand. You can make it look better with an aggressive polish and rotary, but to get rid of it, wetsanding is the only way.
Originally Posted by rsly33
100% agree with mzmtg. Orange peel is not like dead skin at all, if it was your paint would peel off in chunks. Orange peel comes from applying the paint with too much pressure or wrong distance by the painting machines from factory. Most manufacturers even if they notice the defect, wont touch up the paint because of how much time it would take. To get rid of orange peel, you need to wetsand. You can make it look better with an aggressive polish and rotary, but to get rid of it, wetsanding is the only way.
Exactly correct. You wont get an orange peel free paint job unless you spend big money.
Originally Posted by mzmtg
So the detailer that told me that is incorrect. I stand corrected and edgumacated.
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