NYC inspection nightmare...
04-14-2005, 06:51 PM
#1
NYC inspection nightmare...
I went to get an inspection today at the Sunoco on Ave V and Coney Island Ave (All you Brooklyn people watch out for these schemers) and I didnt know what I was getting myself into. Oh boy...where do I begin.. He took about 1 hour doing the inspection without running the tires on the roller things and he didnt even connect the tube to the exhaust. He called me over and told me that my check engine light was disconnected and that he could lie to the computer and say that it was working. I told him to do it and then I moved away. In 15 minutes, he called me over and said that the inspection failed due to the exhaust gas recirculation flow (ERG). He didnt even complete the whole inspection!!! Then he told me that he has a device that will make sure that the inspection computer is working and that he would do it for me. I agreed and then he told me the machine confirmed the other machine. At this point, I have a hunch that he's trying to pull something. He invited me into his office and told me that he would charge me $65 for the check engine light, $375 for the EGR, $130 for labor, and $37 for the inspection... I FLIPPED out on this guy and told him that i'm not giving him a single penny over the $37 for the inspection. He then told me I have to pay $65 for his diagnostic machine that checked the inspection computer!!! I was furious and left, paying him only $37 for half of an inspection. Now i'm left with no inspection sticker, my car in my friends garage because I cant park it on the street, and a potentially broken part, if not more since he didnt do the full inspection. 
My questions are...
How can I see if the ERG is actually malfunctioning, and what does that mean for the performance of my car?
How can I get the check engine light to work?
My questions are...
How can I see if the ERG is actually malfunctioning, and what does that mean for the performance of my car?
How can I get the check engine light to work?
04-14-2005, 07:04 PM
#2
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Your car has emissions related problems. Any honest shop wount pass you until those items are fixed. Tints you might get away with, but emissions test you really can't.
The bulb is probably out, replace it. If the bulb was working, you would have been alerted to the emissions problem prior to taking it in for inspection.
I don't see a nightmare here or any reason why you flipped out on the guy at the service station that performed your inspection. I agree with you only paying him the 30 some odd bucks for the inspection and not a diagnostiec fee.
The bulb is probably out, replace it. If the bulb was working, you would have been alerted to the emissions problem prior to taking it in for inspection.
I don't see a nightmare here or any reason why you flipped out on the guy at the service station that performed your inspection. I agree with you only paying him the 30 some odd bucks for the inspection and not a diagnostiec fee.
04-14-2005, 07:33 PM
#6
Originally Posted by 2 Da Max
bro you live in BK, just give the dude 70 dollars and he should pass you
04-14-2005, 08:18 PM
#7
Stop right there. You obviously dont even know what you are doing or talking about. He's not ripping you off, you just have no clue whats going on.
You do NOT have to go through the dyno machine. To put it in a nutshell.. all 96+ Vehicles are ODB2 compliant, the new test will simply be a ECU code reader. If you have a code, you automatically fail. If not, go home and have a nice day. The dynometer machine is only for vehicles from 81 to 95.
Emissions Inspection for Gas-powered Vehicles
NEW YORK CITY METROPOLITAN AREA EMISSIONS INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE PROGRAM
In January 1998, the emissions inspection and maintenance program used in the New York City Metropolitan Area (NYCMA) was improved to comply with new federal standards. The NYCMA includes the five boroughs of New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County, Rockland County, and Westchester County. All gas-powered vehicles that are registered in the NYCMA must receive a high-enhanced emissions inspection. Inspection facilities that are located outside the NYCMA cannot do this inspection. Some vehicles are exempt from this requirement.
What does the high-enhanced emissions inspection include?
The high-enhanced emissions inspection tests the air pollution control system and exhaust emissions of a vehicle. All vehicles receive a gas cap check and a visual inspection to find evidence of tampering and to prevent malfunctions in the air pollution control devices. The test is done annually at the same time as the safety inspection.
NOTE: The NYVIP inspection that includes the ODBII test will replace the high-enhanced emissions inspection no later than April 1, 2005. This web page has the information about the NYVIP inspection.
What vehicles must receive a high-enhanced emissions inspection?
The model year, the weight, and the type of vehicle determine the test methods and the standards that are used. Instead of
Vehicles that have a model year of 1981 or newer and a weight of 8,500 lbs. or less must receive a dynamometer test.
Vehicles that have a model year of 1996 or newer will not receive the dynamometer test, but will receive an inspection of the on-board diagnostic computer.
Vehicles that have a model year earlier than 1981 and a weight of more than 8,500 pounds, or that have full-time traction control or all-wheel drive equipment, receive an idle speed tailpipe test only.
These vehicles are exempt from the high-enhanced emissions inspection:
vehicles that are less than two model years old, or more than 25 model years old (for example, a 1975 model in 2001), and
diesel-powered vehicles, and
electric-powered vehicles, and
motorcycles, and
vehicles that are registered as farm equipment or that have historical plates.
Annual safety inspections are required for all vehicles that the law does not exempt. To learn more about safety inspections, read the DMV brochure, New York State Vehicle Inspection Program for Cars and Light Trucks.
What is the fee for the high-enhanced emissions inspection?
There are fees of $27 for the high-enhanced emissions inspection and $10 for the safety inspection.
What can I do if my inspection certificate expires while my vehicle is outside the NYCMA?
If the inspection certificate for a vehicle registered in the NYCMA expires while the vehicle is located outside of the NYCMA, the vehicle operator can get a temporary waiver. Get form VS-1078 (Temporary Certificate of Emissions Waiver) from any DMV office and take the form to a NYSDMV-licensed inspection station. The inspection station will do a low-enhanced emissions inspection, which is valid outside of the NYCMA. The operator must get a high-enhanced emissions inspection and a safety inspection no more than 10 days after the vehicle returns to the NYCMA.
What can occur if my vehicle fails the high-enhanced emissions inspection?
A vehicle must pass the emissions inspection to receive an inspection sticker. The failure of the vehicle to pass the test can prevent the registration of the vehicle. You must have the vehicle repaired to meet the standards and pass a reinspection. If the vehicle does not pass a reinspection after major repairs are made, the DMV can issue a one-year waiver. To qualify for a waiver, the cost of the repairs cannot be less than $450. The maximum amount of the repair cost that qualifies for a waiver is adjusted annually with the Consumer Price Index.
If your vehicle failed the emissions inspection during the year before the date of the registration renewal, you cannot renew the vehicle registration. Inspection stations electronically send a record of all emissions inspections to the DMV. The DMV must have a record that your vehicle passed an emissions inspection during the previous year. Keep the receipt of your emissions inspection sticker to prove that the vehicle was inspected.
How can I find the locations of stations that conduct the high-enhanced emissions inspection?
Inspection stations that conduct emissions inspections in the NYCMA are licensed by DMV and must use approved and certified equipment. DMV has prepared a list of certified emissions inspection stations, sorted by county. The list is updated when more inspection stations become certified.
DMV-Certified Emissions Inspection Stations Brooklyn
(Kings County) Manhattan
(New York County) Staten Island
(Richmond County) Bronx County Queens County Suffolk County Nassau County Rockland County Westchester County THE UPSTATE AREA - THE NEW NYS VEHICLE INSPECTION PROGRAM (NYVIP)
The Upstate Area has a new program for annual vehicle inspection (NYVIP). The Upstate Area includes the 53 counties located north of the five boroughs of New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County, Rockland County, and Westchester County.
What is the new NYS vehicle inspection program (NYVIP)?
The NYVIP is a program that will include a new inspection of the emissions control systems on vehicles that have a model year of 1996 and newer. The NYVIP inspection also includes:
the current safety inspection,
the current gas cap check, and
the current visual inspection of the emission control devices.
For the new inspection, the NYS-licensed inspection station uses new equipment to monitor the on-board diagnostic system (OBDII) of your vehicle. The station uses the new equipment, a modem, and a dedicated telephone line to report the inspection results to the DMV.
The inspection station also uses the NYVIP equipment to conduct the inspections for motorcycles, trailers, and vehicles that have a model year of 1995 and older, but the station does not conduct the ODBII inspection for these vehicles.
The NYVIP will help NYS to comply with the Federal Clean Air Act, decrease the emissions from motor vehicles, and reduce air pollution.
Annual safety inspections are required for all vehicles that the law does not exempt. To learn more about safety inspections, read the DMV brochure, "New York State Vehicle Inspection Program for Cars and Light Trucks".
What is "OBDII"?
"OBDII" is the acronym that indicates "on-board diagnostics - version two". The OBDII is a computer system that monitors the correct operation of the engine and the emissions control systems of the vehicle. Vehicles that have a model year of 1996 or newer and that weigh 8,500 lbs. or less have the OBDII. If the OBDII detects a problem that can result in excessive emissions, a malfunction indicator light (MIL) illuminates to inform the driver or automotive technician.
Which vehicles must get the new OBDII test?
The new OBDII test is required for any non-exempt vehicle that:
has a model year of 1996 or newer, and
is more than two model years old, and
displays a weight that is less than 8,501 lbs. on the vehicle registration.
What vehicles are exempt from the NYVIP emissions inspection?
These vehicles are exempt from the NYVIP emissions inspection.
vehicles that are less than two model years old, or more than 25 model years old (for example, a 1975 model in 2001), and
diesel-powered vehicles, and
electric-powered vehicles, and
motorcycles, and
vehicles that are registered as farm equipment or that have historical plates, and
homemade vehicles or custom vehicles that are registered in the Upstate Area.
Does the program include both the Upstate Area and the New York City Metropolitan Area (NYCMA)?
Yes. In the New York City Metropolitan Area (NYCMA), the new test will replace the current high-enhanced emissions inspection for some vehicles. In the Upstate Area, the new test is an addition to the current low-enhanced emissions inspection.
The inspection procedure for vehicles that have a model year of 1995 or older will not change.
The new test does not affect the safety inspection for any vehicle.
When will the NYVIP begin?
NYCMA: The NYCMA includes nine counties: the five boroughs of New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County, Westchester County, and Rockland County. All NYS-licensed inspection stations must begin the new program no later than April 1, 2005.
Upstate Area: The Upstate Area includes the 53 counties in New York State that are located north of the NYCMA. The installation of the new equipment began in August 2004. All NYS-licensed inspection stations must begin the new program by December 1, 2004.
Will I pay an increased vehicle inspection fee when the NYVIP begins?
When the NYVIP begins in the Upstate Area, an increase in the total fee occurs. The total fee of $16 increases to $21. The new fee will affect all vehicles that must receive a safety inspection and an emissions inspection. The new fee will affect the vehicles that must receive an OBDII emission inspection and will affect the vehicles that must receive a low-enhanced emissions inspection.
NYS will determine the total amount of the two inspection fees for the NYCMA before the NYVIP begins in the NYCMA (no later than April 1, 2005).
How much additional time will the OBDII test require?
The OBDII test will require less than five minutes. The inspector will conduct the safety inspection, the low-enhanced emissions inspection, and then the OBDII test to complete the inspection.
How will I know if my vehicle passed or failed the OBDII test?
The NYVIP equipment at the inspection station prints a document that is a report of the test results and a receipt. If your vehicle fails the test, the report indicates the reason for the failure. The report can provide helpful information to an automotive technician who repairs the vehicle.
If my vehicle requires repairs, will the warranty on my vehicle cover the repairs?
Read the owner manual and other documents for your vehicle to get information about the warranty on the emissions control equipment. The vehicle manufacturer is required to warranty emissions failures for the first 2 years or 24,000 miles and specified major emission components for 8 years or 80,000 miles. If you have questions, contact the automobile dealer or the vehicle manufacturer.
What can occur if my vehicle fails the OBDII test?
If the NYVIP requires a vehicle to receive an OBDII emissions inspection, and the vehicle does not qualify for a waiver (see below), the vehicle must pass that inspection in order to receive an inspection sticker. The failure of the vehicle to pass the inspection can prevent the renewal of the vehicle registration. You must have the vehicle repaired to meet the standards and pass a reinspection.
Inspection Waiver. A vehicle that is required to have the OBDII inspection can qualify for a waiver if:
the vehicle fails the OBDII inspection, but passes the safety inspection, the gas cap check, and the visual inspection of the emission control devices, and
the vehicle receives repairs that are related to the failure of the OBDII inspection and the cost of the repairs is at least $450, and
the vehicle does not pass the OBDII inspection during a reinspection.
The waiver is valid for one year.
After the reinspection, the inspector enters the repair information that you provide into the NYVIP equipment. The NYVIP equipment then notifies the inspector if the vehicle qualifies for a waiver. If the vehicle qualifies, the inspector can use the NYVIP equipment to print a waiver form. You must sign the waiver form, and the inspector must sign the waiver form. The inspection station keeps the waiver form and other documents related to the waiver. The inspector then issues your inspection sticker, and the sticker is valid for one year.
To qualify for a waiver:
You must have the inspection report from the original NYVIP inspection station.
The inspection report must show that your vehicle failed the original OBDII test, but that your vehicle passed the safety inspection, the gas cap check, and the visual inspection of the emission control devices.
The emissions control system of your vehicle must be intact. The system must not show any evidence of tampering.
You must have work orders and receipts that prove that repairs related to the vehicle emissions system were completed at a NYS-licensed repair shop. The work orders and the receipts must prove that the cost of the repairs, parts and labor, was at least $450. If you complete the repairs yourself, the calculation of the cost of the repairs includes only the cost of the parts that were used and does not include any amount for your labor.
What is the warning light on my dashboard that displays the words, "Check Engine", or similar words? What can I do if the warning light illuminates?
The warning light is the malfunction indicator light (MIL) of the OBDII system. The color of the MIL is red or yellow. The MIL can display the words, "check engine soon", "service engine soon", or words that are similar. The MIL on some vehicle displays the image of an engine with the word, "check".
The MIL normally illuminates when you insert the key and turn the vehicle ignition toward the position that starts the vehicle engine. If there is no problem, the MIL does not remain illuminated while the engine operates. If you start your engine and the MIL remains illuminated, the OBDII system has found a problem.
The problem may reduce fuel efficiency, increase air pollution, or cause harm to the engine. Take your vehicle to a qualified automotive technician to determine the severity of the problem and if service or repairs are required. Normally the illumination of the MIL is not an indication of a malfunction that requires immediate attention, but an unresolved malfunction may lead to more serious problems or costly repairs.
To indicate a possible serious malfunction, the MIL flashes on and flashes off while the engine operates. Take your vehicle to an automotive technician immediately, and only operate your vehicle if necessary. Do not operate your vehicle at fast speeds, and do not use your vehicle to carry or tow a heavy load.
How can I find the locations of NYVIP inspection stations?
You can search by ZIP Code or by county for the locations of NYVIP emissions inspection stations.
Oh and just so you know, you cant pay the guy off anymore. Have a nice day and fix your car.
You do NOT have to go through the dyno machine. To put it in a nutshell.. all 96+ Vehicles are ODB2 compliant, the new test will simply be a ECU code reader. If you have a code, you automatically fail. If not, go home and have a nice day. The dynometer machine is only for vehicles from 81 to 95.
Emissions Inspection for Gas-powered Vehicles
NEW YORK CITY METROPOLITAN AREA EMISSIONS INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE PROGRAM
In January 1998, the emissions inspection and maintenance program used in the New York City Metropolitan Area (NYCMA) was improved to comply with new federal standards. The NYCMA includes the five boroughs of New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County, Rockland County, and Westchester County. All gas-powered vehicles that are registered in the NYCMA must receive a high-enhanced emissions inspection. Inspection facilities that are located outside the NYCMA cannot do this inspection. Some vehicles are exempt from this requirement.
What does the high-enhanced emissions inspection include?
The high-enhanced emissions inspection tests the air pollution control system and exhaust emissions of a vehicle. All vehicles receive a gas cap check and a visual inspection to find evidence of tampering and to prevent malfunctions in the air pollution control devices. The test is done annually at the same time as the safety inspection.
NOTE: The NYVIP inspection that includes the ODBII test will replace the high-enhanced emissions inspection no later than April 1, 2005. This web page has the information about the NYVIP inspection.
What vehicles must receive a high-enhanced emissions inspection?
The model year, the weight, and the type of vehicle determine the test methods and the standards that are used. Instead of
Vehicles that have a model year of 1981 or newer and a weight of 8,500 lbs. or less must receive a dynamometer test.
Vehicles that have a model year of 1996 or newer will not receive the dynamometer test, but will receive an inspection of the on-board diagnostic computer.
Vehicles that have a model year earlier than 1981 and a weight of more than 8,500 pounds, or that have full-time traction control or all-wheel drive equipment, receive an idle speed tailpipe test only.
These vehicles are exempt from the high-enhanced emissions inspection:
vehicles that are less than two model years old, or more than 25 model years old (for example, a 1975 model in 2001), and
diesel-powered vehicles, and
electric-powered vehicles, and
motorcycles, and
vehicles that are registered as farm equipment or that have historical plates.
Annual safety inspections are required for all vehicles that the law does not exempt. To learn more about safety inspections, read the DMV brochure, New York State Vehicle Inspection Program for Cars and Light Trucks.
What is the fee for the high-enhanced emissions inspection?
There are fees of $27 for the high-enhanced emissions inspection and $10 for the safety inspection.
What can I do if my inspection certificate expires while my vehicle is outside the NYCMA?
If the inspection certificate for a vehicle registered in the NYCMA expires while the vehicle is located outside of the NYCMA, the vehicle operator can get a temporary waiver. Get form VS-1078 (Temporary Certificate of Emissions Waiver) from any DMV office and take the form to a NYSDMV-licensed inspection station. The inspection station will do a low-enhanced emissions inspection, which is valid outside of the NYCMA. The operator must get a high-enhanced emissions inspection and a safety inspection no more than 10 days after the vehicle returns to the NYCMA.
What can occur if my vehicle fails the high-enhanced emissions inspection?
A vehicle must pass the emissions inspection to receive an inspection sticker. The failure of the vehicle to pass the test can prevent the registration of the vehicle. You must have the vehicle repaired to meet the standards and pass a reinspection. If the vehicle does not pass a reinspection after major repairs are made, the DMV can issue a one-year waiver. To qualify for a waiver, the cost of the repairs cannot be less than $450. The maximum amount of the repair cost that qualifies for a waiver is adjusted annually with the Consumer Price Index.
If your vehicle failed the emissions inspection during the year before the date of the registration renewal, you cannot renew the vehicle registration. Inspection stations electronically send a record of all emissions inspections to the DMV. The DMV must have a record that your vehicle passed an emissions inspection during the previous year. Keep the receipt of your emissions inspection sticker to prove that the vehicle was inspected.
How can I find the locations of stations that conduct the high-enhanced emissions inspection?
Inspection stations that conduct emissions inspections in the NYCMA are licensed by DMV and must use approved and certified equipment. DMV has prepared a list of certified emissions inspection stations, sorted by county. The list is updated when more inspection stations become certified.
DMV-Certified Emissions Inspection Stations Brooklyn
(Kings County) Manhattan
(New York County) Staten Island
(Richmond County) Bronx County Queens County Suffolk County Nassau County Rockland County Westchester County THE UPSTATE AREA - THE NEW NYS VEHICLE INSPECTION PROGRAM (NYVIP)
The Upstate Area has a new program for annual vehicle inspection (NYVIP). The Upstate Area includes the 53 counties located north of the five boroughs of New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County, Rockland County, and Westchester County.
What is the new NYS vehicle inspection program (NYVIP)?
The NYVIP is a program that will include a new inspection of the emissions control systems on vehicles that have a model year of 1996 and newer. The NYVIP inspection also includes:
the current safety inspection,
the current gas cap check, and
the current visual inspection of the emission control devices.
For the new inspection, the NYS-licensed inspection station uses new equipment to monitor the on-board diagnostic system (OBDII) of your vehicle. The station uses the new equipment, a modem, and a dedicated telephone line to report the inspection results to the DMV.
The inspection station also uses the NYVIP equipment to conduct the inspections for motorcycles, trailers, and vehicles that have a model year of 1995 and older, but the station does not conduct the ODBII inspection for these vehicles.
The NYVIP will help NYS to comply with the Federal Clean Air Act, decrease the emissions from motor vehicles, and reduce air pollution.
Annual safety inspections are required for all vehicles that the law does not exempt. To learn more about safety inspections, read the DMV brochure, "New York State Vehicle Inspection Program for Cars and Light Trucks".
What is "OBDII"?
"OBDII" is the acronym that indicates "on-board diagnostics - version two". The OBDII is a computer system that monitors the correct operation of the engine and the emissions control systems of the vehicle. Vehicles that have a model year of 1996 or newer and that weigh 8,500 lbs. or less have the OBDII. If the OBDII detects a problem that can result in excessive emissions, a malfunction indicator light (MIL) illuminates to inform the driver or automotive technician.
Which vehicles must get the new OBDII test?
The new OBDII test is required for any non-exempt vehicle that:
has a model year of 1996 or newer, and
is more than two model years old, and
displays a weight that is less than 8,501 lbs. on the vehicle registration.
What vehicles are exempt from the NYVIP emissions inspection?
These vehicles are exempt from the NYVIP emissions inspection.
vehicles that are less than two model years old, or more than 25 model years old (for example, a 1975 model in 2001), and
diesel-powered vehicles, and
electric-powered vehicles, and
motorcycles, and
vehicles that are registered as farm equipment or that have historical plates, and
homemade vehicles or custom vehicles that are registered in the Upstate Area.
Does the program include both the Upstate Area and the New York City Metropolitan Area (NYCMA)?
Yes. In the New York City Metropolitan Area (NYCMA), the new test will replace the current high-enhanced emissions inspection for some vehicles. In the Upstate Area, the new test is an addition to the current low-enhanced emissions inspection.
The inspection procedure for vehicles that have a model year of 1995 or older will not change.
The new test does not affect the safety inspection for any vehicle.
When will the NYVIP begin?
NYCMA: The NYCMA includes nine counties: the five boroughs of New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County, Westchester County, and Rockland County. All NYS-licensed inspection stations must begin the new program no later than April 1, 2005.
Upstate Area: The Upstate Area includes the 53 counties in New York State that are located north of the NYCMA. The installation of the new equipment began in August 2004. All NYS-licensed inspection stations must begin the new program by December 1, 2004.
Will I pay an increased vehicle inspection fee when the NYVIP begins?
When the NYVIP begins in the Upstate Area, an increase in the total fee occurs. The total fee of $16 increases to $21. The new fee will affect all vehicles that must receive a safety inspection and an emissions inspection. The new fee will affect the vehicles that must receive an OBDII emission inspection and will affect the vehicles that must receive a low-enhanced emissions inspection.
NYS will determine the total amount of the two inspection fees for the NYCMA before the NYVIP begins in the NYCMA (no later than April 1, 2005).
How much additional time will the OBDII test require?
The OBDII test will require less than five minutes. The inspector will conduct the safety inspection, the low-enhanced emissions inspection, and then the OBDII test to complete the inspection.
How will I know if my vehicle passed or failed the OBDII test?
The NYVIP equipment at the inspection station prints a document that is a report of the test results and a receipt. If your vehicle fails the test, the report indicates the reason for the failure. The report can provide helpful information to an automotive technician who repairs the vehicle.
If my vehicle requires repairs, will the warranty on my vehicle cover the repairs?
Read the owner manual and other documents for your vehicle to get information about the warranty on the emissions control equipment. The vehicle manufacturer is required to warranty emissions failures for the first 2 years or 24,000 miles and specified major emission components for 8 years or 80,000 miles. If you have questions, contact the automobile dealer or the vehicle manufacturer.
What can occur if my vehicle fails the OBDII test?
If the NYVIP requires a vehicle to receive an OBDII emissions inspection, and the vehicle does not qualify for a waiver (see below), the vehicle must pass that inspection in order to receive an inspection sticker. The failure of the vehicle to pass the inspection can prevent the renewal of the vehicle registration. You must have the vehicle repaired to meet the standards and pass a reinspection.
Inspection Waiver. A vehicle that is required to have the OBDII inspection can qualify for a waiver if:
the vehicle fails the OBDII inspection, but passes the safety inspection, the gas cap check, and the visual inspection of the emission control devices, and
the vehicle receives repairs that are related to the failure of the OBDII inspection and the cost of the repairs is at least $450, and
the vehicle does not pass the OBDII inspection during a reinspection.
The waiver is valid for one year.
After the reinspection, the inspector enters the repair information that you provide into the NYVIP equipment. The NYVIP equipment then notifies the inspector if the vehicle qualifies for a waiver. If the vehicle qualifies, the inspector can use the NYVIP equipment to print a waiver form. You must sign the waiver form, and the inspector must sign the waiver form. The inspection station keeps the waiver form and other documents related to the waiver. The inspector then issues your inspection sticker, and the sticker is valid for one year.
To qualify for a waiver:
You must have the inspection report from the original NYVIP inspection station.
The inspection report must show that your vehicle failed the original OBDII test, but that your vehicle passed the safety inspection, the gas cap check, and the visual inspection of the emission control devices.
The emissions control system of your vehicle must be intact. The system must not show any evidence of tampering.
You must have work orders and receipts that prove that repairs related to the vehicle emissions system were completed at a NYS-licensed repair shop. The work orders and the receipts must prove that the cost of the repairs, parts and labor, was at least $450. If you complete the repairs yourself, the calculation of the cost of the repairs includes only the cost of the parts that were used and does not include any amount for your labor.
What is the warning light on my dashboard that displays the words, "Check Engine", or similar words? What can I do if the warning light illuminates?
The warning light is the malfunction indicator light (MIL) of the OBDII system. The color of the MIL is red or yellow. The MIL can display the words, "check engine soon", "service engine soon", or words that are similar. The MIL on some vehicle displays the image of an engine with the word, "check".
The MIL normally illuminates when you insert the key and turn the vehicle ignition toward the position that starts the vehicle engine. If there is no problem, the MIL does not remain illuminated while the engine operates. If you start your engine and the MIL remains illuminated, the OBDII system has found a problem.
The problem may reduce fuel efficiency, increase air pollution, or cause harm to the engine. Take your vehicle to a qualified automotive technician to determine the severity of the problem and if service or repairs are required. Normally the illumination of the MIL is not an indication of a malfunction that requires immediate attention, but an unresolved malfunction may lead to more serious problems or costly repairs.
To indicate a possible serious malfunction, the MIL flashes on and flashes off while the engine operates. Take your vehicle to an automotive technician immediately, and only operate your vehicle if necessary. Do not operate your vehicle at fast speeds, and do not use your vehicle to carry or tow a heavy load.
How can I find the locations of NYVIP inspection stations?
You can search by ZIP Code or by county for the locations of NYVIP emissions inspection stations.
Oh and just so you know, you cant pay the guy off anymore. Have a nice day and fix your car.
04-14-2005, 08:57 PM
#12
Originally Posted by jif718
ANT, how come my last inspection (a month or so ago) my 97 max ran the dyno? As did a 98 Lexus LS 400.
Read again
NOTE: The NYVIP inspection that includes the ODBII test will replace the high-enhanced emissions inspection no later than April 1, 2005.
04-14-2005, 09:14 PM
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,190
F#cked if I know. I just repeated what the guy told you.
Clue me in on something. Are these tests being administered and performed by the state or just by an independent shop who is authorized to perform them? If its the latter, it sounds like a licence to print money and is absolutely retarded. Talk about the fox in the hen house.
Clue me in on something. Are these tests being administered and performed by the state or just by an independent shop who is authorized to perform them? If its the latter, it sounds like a licence to print money and is absolutely retarded. Talk about the fox in the hen house.
04-14-2005, 09:24 PM
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,327
Originally Posted by rmurdoch
F#cked if I know. I just repeated what the guy told you.
Clue me in on something. Are these tests being administered and performed by the state or just by an independent shop who is authorized to perform them? If its the latter, it sounds like a licence to print money and is absolutely retarded. Talk about the fox in the hen house.
Clue me in on something. Are these tests being administered and performed by the state or just by an independent shop who is authorized to perform them? If its the latter, it sounds like a licence to print money and is absolutely retarded. Talk about the fox in the hen house.
04-14-2005, 10:36 PM
#20
Rofl i bought my first car over there Ave V and Coney Island from same guys that did the inspection for you these guys such a rip off i bought for 8000$ Mercury Cougar 1996 from them cuz i didnt know anything about cars those days that was my first car never go there
04-15-2005, 03:12 AM
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,883
Originally Posted by Ant96GLE
What month are we in?
Read again
NOTE: The NYVIP inspection that includes the ODBII test will replace the high-enhanced emissions inspection no later than April 1, 2005.
Read again
NOTE: The NYVIP inspection that includes the ODBII test will replace the high-enhanced emissions inspection no later than April 1, 2005.
04-15-2005, 03:19 AM
#22
LMAO my late 95 model has OBD2 yet ive had a CEL light for about a year due to egr stuff. right before my safety and emissions check i reset the ECU no light no problem as my car is a 95. btw it passed the emissions on the rollers no problem.
safety i dont know why it passed as my brake pads on the rear are factory installed in feb 95. just changed the front pads last year now if i could get the gD$#@ odometer to work right id be showing about 45k on this car instead of 34
safety i dont know why it passed as my brake pads on the rear are factory installed in feb 95. just changed the front pads last year now if i could get the gD$#@ odometer to work right id be showing about 45k on this car instead of 34
04-15-2005, 03:34 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by flynlr
LMAO my late 95 model has OBD2 yet ive had a CEL light for about a year due to egr stuff. right before my safety and emissions check i reset the ECU no light no problem as my car is a 95. btw it passed the emissions on the rollers no problem.
safety i dont know why it passed as my brake pads on the rear are factory installed in feb 95. just changed the front pads last year now if i could get the gD$#@ odometer to work right id be showing about 45k on this car instead of 34
safety i dont know why it passed as my brake pads on the rear are factory installed in feb 95. just changed the front pads last year now if i could get the gD$#@ odometer to work right id be showing about 45k on this car instead of 34
04-15-2005, 04:09 AM
#24
The only thing I bought from that place was gas, and a candy bar when I was getting my stereo installed across the street. Anyways, you were right to walk away and just pay them 37 bucks. They were trying to rip you off, I think those prices were way too high. Get a second opinion from a trusted mechanic, and fix the things with your mechanic. Laters.
04-15-2005, 05:47 AM
#25
ahh they dont really need the tire on teh roller unless ur car doesnt have OBDII
the new inspections machines that started last week or 2 ago jsut plugs to ur OBD in the computer and then it detects anythign wrong and passes u or fails u on the spot... so... that shop they were scamming u i guess...
but if ur car has ANY lights what so ever in teh dash it wont pass... (except) the seatbelt of coruse....
OBDII get used to it ladies.. I have hte airbag light in mine... My guy at the shop did it on the old roller machine ... cause he jsut started usign the OBDII machine and he said "we'll just say i didnt have the stickers to print on if anyone asks.. = ) [with smirk on face] "
he said i should get hte clock spring fixed by next time...
on another note.. my calipers were ****ed up.. the bottom part wouldnt release... so it was stuck ****.. they had to heat it up and re grease it and all this crap.. man i spent a good amount of time sitting there heating the **** up... but its okay... hehee all they charged was lunch. HHEHEHEHE... i love my shop..
the new inspections machines that started last week or 2 ago jsut plugs to ur OBD in the computer and then it detects anythign wrong and passes u or fails u on the spot... so... that shop they were scamming u i guess...
but if ur car has ANY lights what so ever in teh dash it wont pass... (except) the seatbelt of coruse....
OBDII get used to it ladies.. I have hte airbag light in mine... My guy at the shop did it on the old roller machine ... cause he jsut started usign the OBDII machine and he said "we'll just say i didnt have the stickers to print on if anyone asks.. = ) [with smirk on face] "
he said i should get hte clock spring fixed by next time...
on another note.. my calipers were ****ed up.. the bottom part wouldnt release... so it was stuck ****.. they had to heat it up and re grease it and all this crap.. man i spent a good amount of time sitting there heating the **** up... but its okay... hehee all they charged was lunch. HHEHEHEHE... i love my shop..
04-15-2005, 09:39 AM
#26
ok in new york state ur car must be hooked up to the computer.......the computer gives the tech the approval to get the sticker and the sticker has to be scanned by the computer to be logged....then the state looks into the inventory to make sure all stickers are logged.....so there is no more 70 dolalrs and heres ur sticker......if the state finds a missing sticker they investigate and shop could lose inspection lisence
04-15-2005, 01:48 PM
#28
Originally Posted by rmurdoch
F#cked if I know. I just repeated what the guy told you.
Clue me in on something. Are these tests being administered and performed by the state or just by an independent shop who is authorized to perform them? If its the latter, it sounds like a licence to print money and is absolutely retarded. Talk about the fox in the hen house.
Clue me in on something. Are these tests being administered and performed by the state or just by an independent shop who is authorized to perform them? If its the latter, it sounds like a licence to print money and is absolutely retarded. Talk about the fox in the hen house.
Like I said, all they do is plug your ECU into an ODB2 scanner and check for codes... its that easy. Remember, your check engine light will ONLY turn on if an emissions part has gone bad or is not functioning properly.
04-18-2005, 11:59 AM
#32
Update... I redid the inspection WITHOUT FIXING A SINGLE THING except for the CEL, which lit up 5 long and 5 short. I went to do an inspection in sunset park and passed without any hassle. Stay away from these schemers!!
04-18-2005, 01:30 PM
#33
Originally Posted by MystA RavE
Update... I redid the inspection WITHOUT FIXING A SINGLE THING except for the CEL, which lit up 5 long and 5 short. I went to do an inspection in sunset park and passed without any hassle. Stay away from these schemers!!
04-18-2005, 01:59 PM
#34
Well they arent supposed to take your old sticker off until they are finished with the inspection. NY inspections are tough for 96+ cars now. Any CEL and you'll fail, you're allowed something like 3 codes and thats it. Get the stuff fixed, order the parts and do it yourself for the install. Then go to a different shop for the inpection. BTW, inspec isnt $37, so i think they shafted you on that one too. It should only be $16 because it's set by NY state. ALso as stated before, Albany approves the inpsection or not, NOT the shop you get it done at.
04-18-2005, 02:30 PM
#35
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i cant believe u people live in ny since when do u fail an inspection in nyc all u have to do is pay 60 bucks and thats it, i never had any problems with that when i used to live in nyc, here in rhode island inpection is a *****, i had to pay 80 bucks so it could pass and they are way more strick than in nyc u cant even have tints on ur car to get inspected
04-18-2005, 04:32 PM
#36
Originally Posted by gold4thgen
i cant believe u people live in ny since when do u fail an inspection in nyc all u have to do is pay 60 bucks and thats it, i never had any problems with that when i used to live in nyc, here in rhode island inpection is a *****, i had to pay 80 bucks so it could pass and they are way more strick than in nyc u cant even have tints on ur car to get inspected
NewYork changed their inspection procedures this year, and it's very different, before I didnt even get my car inspected, my uncle just slapped a sticker on for me and called it a day.
04-18-2005, 05:31 PM
#38
Originally Posted by venompwr2
Well they arent supposed to take your old sticker off until they are finished with the inspection. NY inspections are tough for 96+ cars now. Any CEL and you'll fail, you're allowed something like 3 codes and thats it. Get the stuff fixed, order the parts and do it yourself for the install. Then go to a different shop for the inpection. BTW, inspec isnt $37, so i think they shafted you on that one too. It should only be $16 because it's set by NY state. ALso as stated before, Albany approves the inpsection or not, NOT the shop you get it done at.
BTW I just want to add one more thing to ant66gle information. 96 & 97 do not transfer the VIN thru the OBD2 only 98 & Higher will send the VIN to the Inspection machine.
04-18-2005, 06:40 PM
#39
Originally Posted by joeeey
Your supposed to remove a sticker if it's expired.
BTW I just want to add one more thing to ant66gle information. 96 & 97 do not transfer the VIN thru the OBD2 only 98 & Higher will send the VIN to the Inspection machine.
BTW I just want to add one more thing to ant66gle information. 96 & 97 do not transfer the VIN thru the OBD2 only 98 & Higher will send the VIN to the Inspection machine.
04-18-2005, 06:51 PM
#40
Yeah but most of the people come to me for a inspection after the got a ticket or 2.lol Now that you have to relearn the ecu before you can retest after a code has been repaired. What a pain in the butt. I had a ford van that took 2 days of driving to complete the drive cycle. Damm this is what were in for.