I know why that is. I've edited my previous post to fix the links. Here they are again:

Front Right (maxima login required)
http://www.performancepeddler.com/de...T_ID=TOKBB3102

Front Left (maxima login required)
http://www.performancepeddler.com/de...T_ID=TOKBB3103

Both Rears
http://www.adventon.com/acb/showprod...tGroup_ID=2803

Springs
http://www.adventon.com/acb/showprod...tGroup_ID=2602

 

It's easy to make low, stiff springs. If you're just looking for a drop and better handling and you don't care about a bumpy ride, that's all you need and there's really no reason to pay more. The reason Eibach, H&R, Tein, Vogtland, etc. are so much more expensive is that they blend handling with ride quality, which is really hard to do well.

 

Thanks!

FYI:

The savings by ordering the fronts from Performance Peddler and the rears from Adventon versus ordering all from Performance Peddler is a whopping $11.90. I have this thing about wanting all my auto parts to arrive at the same time, so for me, I'd fork out the extra few bucks to have all of them delivered by the same vendor.

The other plus is not having to fill out two separate order forms (I hate paperwork).

HOWEVER, Performance Peddler has a price match guarantee, so it is likely they will meet Adventon's price for the rears.

I'm going to go with Performance Peddler for the whole enchilada.

 

Good call on the price match guarantee! I distinctly remember reading that, but somehow it never occurred to me to take advantage of it...

What are you doing for springs?

 

Performance Peddler offers both the Eibach Pro-kit and the Tokico kit, but there is no way to find out about their availability or cost from their website because the menus are all screwed up.

Consequently, I sent an email to sales inquiring about them. When I hear back I'll let you know.

Other than the Eibach's and Tokico springs, do you have any recommendations for a reasonably-priced set?

 

Tein H-Techs are great for comfort, and they lower 1"; this is enough to make a visible difference without destroying your suspension travel (you only have less than 3" to begin with) and it will be easy on your shocks. They won't handle like the best, but there will definitely be a noticeable improvement. Should be in the neighborhood of $220, but I've seen them for significantly less.

H&R springs are also on the comfy end but are a little stiffer than the H-Techs, and they lower more. Should be around $200, or slightly less.

Tein S-Techs are great for performance but they will drop you about 2" in the front, leaving you with less than an inch of suspension travel. You should really get KYB bumpstops and long-travel rear shock mounts with these. The upside is that they're usually $40-$60 cheaper than the other sets above.

 

Between Tein H-techs and Eibachs, which would you pick?

Also, if i go with the H-Techs & a 1" drop, do I still need the long-travel rear mounts, or will stock mounts be OK?

 

hope this helps: http://www.innerbean.com/housecor/sp..._decision.html

 

Let me answer the mounts question first. Any spring/shock setup -- even stock -- could benefit from having more travel. It'll help the shock work better and decrease the chances of hitting the bumpstops. Those things are ALWAYS good, and they become a lot more important when you start lowering your car -- we only have something like 2.5 to 3 inches of suspension travel in the front to begin with, which isn't much. Then you drop 1 to 1.5 inches off that, and.... you do the math. Shorter bumpstops and long-travel rear mounts aren't as big a deal with more moderate lowering, but they will certainly help.

I would definitely go with Eibach -- in fact, I was about to. From what I've heard, H-Techs are just too soft to give me the big increase in handling I want. I was gonna do Eibachs/Illuminas with KYB bumpstops and mzmtg's rear mounts, and then get Warpspeed subframe connectors later. Handling is slightly more important to me than ride smoothness, though, so if I can get the funds by the end of the month I'm gonna grab some K-Sport coilovers from the group deal for the same price as the springs/shocks/mounts.

But that's just me. H-Techs with Illuminas, shorter bumpstops, and long-travel rear mounts would still handle significantly better than stock and get rid of the floatiness, and will ride MUCH smoother than any aftermarket setup you could possibly get (except maybe H-Techs and Koni Yellows).

 

today i took a sharp as turn with my eibachs and 45mph around a corner [dont flame me i know it was stupid] the car cornered soo great, with no tire screching. i was able to get out of the turn and sraight in between the white lines on the road

 

Good link. Remember that it applies to the 5th gen, which will be slightly different (suspension companies tune their products with different goals in mind for different cars).

 

How much are the K-sport coilovers?

Also, when you are talking about the distance that the suspension has to travel, how do you factor in wheel diameter?

I'm still running the stock 15" alloys.

 

They're $740 shipped. Here's the thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=399208

Keep in mind, they're a whole heck of a lot stiffer than any aftermarket springs, and they're linear-rate (i.e. not soft in some places and stiff in others, like most aftermarket springs) so they're not for someone who really wants a smooth ride. They just have shocks that are valved so well that they ride smoother than any other coilovers you can get, so the ride/handling balance doesn't totally suck.

There's enough space in your wheel wells that even if you had wheels that were significantly bigger than stock overall, you'd have plenty of space even if your suspension bottomed out (at least a couple of inches), so wheel diameter isn't really a factor -- unless your wheel is turned a lot when you hit a really nasty bump, in which case it might hit the fender.

 

Ive had my HR/Illumina combo for two weeks and I cannot begin to tell you how happy I am that I didn't go el cheapo on the suspension. I can go to a true luxury feel to true sport feel. This suspension way exceeded my expectations. I am in love with my car again

 

I have been leaning towards that combo, and your endorsement only adds to my interest. So, it's Illuminas from PerformancePeddler ($396) and H&Rs from Rennen Motors ($162), for a total of $558, plus the boots, bump stops, and long-travel mounts.

How much do these extras cost again?.

Also, what's a fair labor charge to pay for their installation?

 

for the illumina shocks, how exactly do i get the 387.00 deal?
shocks and struts are the same thing, right?

this is what im seeing at adventon

TOKICO ILLUMINA SHOCK ABSORBERS 95-99 NISSAN MAXIMA (REAR)
Part #: BU2905+BU2905
Before Instant Rebate: $138.50 Left & Right

TOKICO ILLUMINA SHOCK ABSORBERS 95-99 NISSAN MAXIMA (FRONT)
Part #: BB3102+BB3103
Before Instant Rebate: $298.79 Left & Right

so then i do the "maxima" log in and it the price becomes 387?

 

or your saying buy the rear from adventon and the others from the performancepeddler.com okay i got it i think

 

Hold the phone on that because Performance Peddler will likely match Adventon's price on the rears.

It would be $396, not $378, witrh Adventon since they will charge you shipping, whereas Performance Peddler ships for free.

 

OK...one more time.

If you had a chance to buy either H&R or Tein H-Techs at the same price, which would you choose?

 

just wondering if anyone who has Illuminas/S-Techs has had trouble without mzmtg's long travels? are they more than just a good idea, or is it ok to not get them? don't want any damage or bottoming out all the time. oh and do they soften up the ride at all or change ride height? thanks

 

sorry somehow i missed all that.
i was wondering if anyone could inform me about the other accessories like boots bump stops and long travel mounts? i was just gonna buy the shocks and some hr springs..whats the other stuff do for me?

 

best bet I'd say is to setup a time when you can do your suspension and have a few days down time, that way when you take apart the suspension if you see certain parts are worn down and/or need replacing you can order them and then re-assemble.

you should be fine with just new struts/shocks springs, and dust boots, most everthing else should be re-usable but other please chime in if there are certain parts that most likely would also need changing.

 

Struts/Shocks
Springs
Dust Boots
.......

Anything else to add to the list? I want to upgrade my suspension soon.

 

are the long travel mounts necessary with s-techs? is there a risk being run without them? do they bolt right in? sorry, but i can't remember the member who's more or less in charge of these things. and a $?

 

mzmtg is selling them. You'll just have less travel for the struts in the back which can make a bumpier ride in the rear, you can run without them but with them you can have a smoother ride. I'm droppin on S-tech and have some of Ben's shock mounts there quality.

check the Group Deal in the for sale section, PM him with you zip code and ask how much shipped to your area, it will be that plus $75, and an addition $2.50 if you paypal him (to cover the fees). Its worth it, you can read the feedback for him all were satisfied with them.

 

^^^^ k, thanks just what i was looking for.

 

MDeezy knocked that one right outta the park.

As for the front bumpstops/boots, go to www.cattmanperformance.com, find their contact info, and ask them. Should be under $50 shipped for both fronts.

 

if you have the long travel mounts in the rear, do you not need the dustboot/bumpstop item from cattman for front and rear as the $68 package shows? are only the front necessary then? sorry. i just wish there was a better way to become familiar with my susoension. i guess i'll just take the wheel off and see what's all in there...!

 

As far as I know, you really only need it for the front, but I can't say for sure. Anyone else want to chime in?

BTW... definitely just take a wheel off and look at it and just ponder it for a while. Does wonders for your understanding of how stuff works (seriously).

 

i know, i just haven't taken the time to. it helped so much when i was workin with the intake and exhaust although back then, i knew nothing! haha! no offense d00df00f, but your reply didn't really answe my question. can anyone else confidently help me out?
thanks

 

bump.... someone's gotta be able to answer this!

 

1. Illumina's adjust both dampening and rebound, AGSX's only adjust dampening, hence the cheaper price.

2. I change the settings on my Illumina's weekly when I go to the track, they have never changed settings on their own and only take a simple flat tip screwdriver to adjust from under the hood and trunk, you do not have to lay on the ground like with the AGX's. They are also very easy to see to change settings and have an indent so you can tell when they are in the correct position.

3. I gave my AGX's away last year when I got the Illumina's. Actually I sold them on the org and got ripped off for the payment, so I guess thats the same as giving them away.

 

Where did you see the H&R springs for $162? When I go to Rennen Motors, they dont even have H&R listed. The cheapest I can find is $207

 

Can someone please either post pics or direct me to a place with pics of the S-tech and illumina set up. That would be really helpful. Thanks ahead of time. I am getting out of the coil over set up but I have a full set of illuminas just lying around and I still want great handling and it sounds like s-techs are the way to go but I want to see a picture of the set up first.



Bruce

 

well if i dont want to spend the money on illuminas or agx wut would be better for the money, tokiko hp struts and springs or kyb gr2's and h&r springs. i found the tokiko hp kit for $395 and the kyb and h&r will probly be around 400-450

 

GR-2s and Tokico Blues are OEM replacement shocks. They're made to take the stock springs and not much more; anything that's a lot stiffer and lower will make them wear out faster. Your best bet would probably be either Tokico Blues and Tein H-Tech springs (moderate lowering), or just the Tokico HP kit.

 

Can anybody illuminate me on the reason for getting bumpstops and dustboots?

Also, if i opt for a coilover suspension such as teins, would i also benefit from getting long travel shock mounts.

 

The reason you want KYB bump stops when you get lowering springs is that theyr'e shorter than stock, which will give you more suspension travel so you don't whack the bumpstops when you hit a hard bump. That would be a really bad thing to have happen in the middle of a turn at high speed. mzmtg's rear shock mounts give you more rear suspension travel and also help the shock work better since it's not always compressed as much.

Most coilover systems come with front and rear mounts, so it's not an issue. For the ones that don't, I'm not sure whether long-travel shock mounts would do much good because the coilovers are designed to work as a system with the stock mounts and give you the optimal balance. I suppose it'd be interesting to see someone try this though....

BTW, if you're getting coilovers before May 31 and you don't want super-high-end JICs, there is absolutely no reason to buy anything except the K-Sports from the group deal. They're the same price as the Teins or less, and they're MUCH more adjustable.

 

Sorry, my bad! I meant to say that I found Tein H-Techs for $162.50 (click on link). H-Techs are the springs I decided to buy after comparing the two.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

 

Does anyone know about tokico HP set with struts/shocks/springs? Are they better than stock? I saw them on ebay for around $400 for the set. Im looking to either get those, or illumias original stock springs. Trying to stay in the $350-$400 range cuz im POOR! PS. Ive got 110k on my max, do you think itd be aliright to keep the original springs on with new struts/shocks?