Ok fellow orgers. The day has finally come and me and a couple other guys did the 5 speed swap on my car today. We did my friends car about a month ago and it went well. So we finish my car with the exception of filling fluid in the master cylinder and bleeding the line. We just wanted to see if the car would start. IT DIDN'T. We don't know what the problem is. We made sure all harnesses except for the 4 that were connected to the auto tranny are connected back .We triple checked everything and we can't find the answer. Its getting fuel because we can smell it when I try to pump the gas and start at the same time. If anyone has any ideas please let us know. Thanks. Mike.

 

try jump starting it, even if it is just to prove its not the battary...

Just a thought!

Dave

 

Thanks. I'll try that tomorrow. Anyone else have any ideas?

 

would it even turn over at all? Ive never done this but explain how it acted might be more help to identify the problem. I would think it would have to be electrical... good luck!

 

Check that you reinstalled the crankshaft position sensor that sits in between the tranny and the engine.

 

Well is it clicking ? Cranking but just not turning over ?? are you getting NOTHIGN when you turn that key ??

A Little better explination of the problem would be good

-matt

 

Crank position sensor, connects to the bell housing on the tranny. Plug it in!!!!

 

It is actually cranking and not turning over. The engine was fine before we did the swap. The only time my engine never started was if the battery was dead or when the crank position sensor went dead. Even when it was dead it would start but would take a coupole tries. But I never had any major problems with the engine. I think it is electrical as well but don't know where to start. And as I said before.....we reconnected all harnesses but I iwll take you guys advice and check the crank position sensor. Is that something I had to remove from the auto tranny? I'll check between the engine and tranny like you said for this sensor. Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks for the help guys.

 

OK. I mentioned the crank position sensor to my frined since the car is at his house and he said that it's connected so I guess its not that. Anyone have any other ideas? Mike

 

test that it works properly? dont just guess by saying its plugged in. maybe it was damaged when you did the swap. good luck

 

I will defnitely do that. Thanks for the help guys. I will give an update later once I get back to car and try all these things. But if the sensor is dirty.....how do you clean the sensor?

Mike

 

try endust for electronics, its a cleaner for electronics that is safe and anti-static. let it dry before you reattach it.

 

Would I get that at a computer store or what? Not sure where to pick it up.

Mike

 

um i guess office depot or staples or walmart or meijer or wherever will probably have it. just probably not a mom and pops shop.

 

dont you have to bipass the park neutral switch from the auto trans in order to get it to start. its the same idea as the clutch safety switch

 

We took out the auto transmission ECU all together. But I'm not sure if that has anything to do with what you are talking about.

 

not that keen on computer swaps in the 4th gens, but i would assume the wiring inside the connectors are different and it may not be getting the right signals. when i bought new doors for my car the plugs worked with one another, but the windows/locks didnt work. try using the auto tranny ecu. plus there should be a pin switch on the clutch pedal bracket that when depressed allows the car to kick over. it's a safety item, this way you cant start the car when it's accidentally in gear

 

The 4th gen actually has 2 ECU's. The main one and transmission one. We took out the tranimission one. I tried the auto ECU and the 5 speed one and the car still does not turn over.

 

well if it doesnt kick over with the auto one it's probably because of the park neutral switch(it was on the shifter so you should have a plug there now. i still think that the manual tranny computer probably has the wires different than the auto, so it shouldnt work.............or the clutch safety swich wire comming out of the computer has to be bipassed(which could be the same location in the plug is the wiring is the same inside, its just running toward the shifter in your car instead of the clutch pedal). if you dont have a fsm with the schematic to see if the wiring in the plugs is the same it's impossible to know which way to repair it.

 

Actaully, yeah, he's right. If you didn't wire up the park neutral switch bypass like you are supposed to, you won't start. Look up the 5spd swap writeup - it shows exactly which two wires to connect together.

 

-matt

 

If its cranking but not turning over its probably not the P-N switch.. When cars not in P or N for Autos, it won't crank, move shifter to P or N and it does... which means Crank = Not P-N switch.

 

would his ecu throw codes?? or does the engine have to be on for that?

hhm maybe theres no spark since there is already fuel.

 

Just to update every one, IT STILL DOESN'T START. We tried everything from the crank position sensor, new MAF, checked all fuses, popped the clutch and nothing worked. Just don't know why its not starting. I will take it to Jeff at Maximum Tuning and see whathe says. Hopefully he has the answer. Checked all the codes and all we got was the code for the auto transmission for the auto ECU that is still in th car. I will update once I talk to Jeff at Maximum Tuning.

 

ahh yes, another interesting pt brought up - car does crank - if the P/N switch were the issue - it wouldn't even crank.



Check the ground wire that grounds the motor to the chassis.

 

Ok....so here is the update...turns out a few org members were right on the money. I got the flywheel from my friend that went aftermarket. Seems that when you do that there are these teeth that you bolt to the back of the flywheel that you must have for some reason. So when he gave me the flywheel no one realized that the teeh were removed from his stock flywheel and put on the aftermarket. And what sucks is that you can't get this part seperate because it only comes with the stock flywheel. Lucky my friend had one from a maxima he bought and stripped. My car should be coming out today.....EVERYONE CROSS YOUR FINGERS.

Thanks for the help guys. I'll update later.

 

Consider them crossed

 

so it was just an issue with the aftermarket flywheel? I've read a few threads lately that deal with this. the aftermarket flywheel and transfereing this extra attachment that is to help the starter something like that. At least you figued out the problem

 

I don't think that's the best thing to use for what you're thinking of. Endust for electronics is better suited for dusting tv screens and the like. Canned air (dust off spray) or contact cleaner might work better. Radio shack sells it.

 

With out that smaller ring (signal plate) the car will never ever start. The ring must be transfered from the stock flywheel onto the aftermarket one. This is the situation I've had to deal with with my fidanza.

The signal plate off the auto tranny drive plate will work not either as it is riveted on the back as oppossed to bolted like on the manual flywheel. Even if the rivets were to be drilled out, the holes would not line up on the back of the manual flywheel. So, new holes would have to be drilled. Over all not worth the extra work.

The signal plate is what the pos crank sensor magnet reads as the flywheel spins in order to time the vehicle properly. Make sure that the teeth on the thing are NOT bent at ALL!

Good Luck.

 

Question I30ds...would the original ring from the replaced clutch need to be used with a new clutch kit from NAPA to work? Could this be why my car is refusing to start when the clutch was replaced? Please let me know... my car is currently at the dealership and they are taking their sweet ole time getting to it...

 

If you were just getting your clutch replaced then the flywheel was never removed and the signal plate on the back would not of been fooled with. The signal plate has nothing to do with the clutch. You must be thinking of something else. The signal plate is located on the back of the flywheel between it and the engine. I doubt you signal plate was messed with. Your problem has got to be something else.

 

Thanks for the info....just frustrated as hell...

 

Ok....we are up and running thanks to Jeff at Maximum Tuning. Thanks for the support guys. I didn't throw the Fidanza flywheel in becuase it didn;t fit over the crank shaft. So I have brand new aluminum flywheel for sale. PM me if interested. $300 plus shipping.

 

Well share it round, what was the fix?

 

Forgot the teeth ring that bolted to the flywheel. If you would thru the post you will see what I am talking about.

 

Youre saying your fidanza does not fit on the crankshaft? Where did you get it from? You totally got the wrong one. You should return it and get a full refund.

 

congrats mike, ha ha, nice job...another successful conversion for us non-shop/non-certified mechanics....

 

I was just wondering about how much $$$ this cost to do. I wouldn't mind doing this to my car but of course i'd have to have a local mechanic or something do it (if possible) because i'm definatly not mechanically inclined. I'm just wondering how much all the parts and everything cost and maybe an estimated cost of labor.

 

Let us know if you figure it out. BTW, how much would you guys charge to do this swap? I'm thinking about doing it in about a year.