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Old 07-26-2005, 10:51 AM
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did they do a good alignment??? they didn't change my camber

ok, so i just got an alignment from firestone, it seems like my car pulls to the right...but i want to know about my camber...isn't it off n should they fix it?? i do have a camber kit. the guy told me that 1 degree wo'nt make a different. all the numbers are in degrees by the way......here are the specs

front left front right
actual before actual before specified range
-1.4 -1.5 -1.3 -1.3 Camber -1.0 - 0.5
3.1 3.1 3.4 3.4 caster 2.0 - 3.5
.08 .25 .12 .15 toe .05 - .014
15.2 15.3 11.2 11.2 SAI 13.5-15
13.8 13.8 9.9 9.9 included angle 12.5 - 15.5


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Actual Before
cross camber -.1 -.2
Cross Caster -.4 -.4
Cross SAI 4.0 4.1
Total Toe .2 .41
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Old 07-26-2005, 10:53 AM
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Read the stickys ... the specs are in there.
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You are running 1.3 deg neg camber AFTER the alignment?
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Old 07-26-2005, 10:55 AM
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Its off. Why wouldnt 1 degree make a differenec if that pretty much what you need in order to be in spec? You'll need to take a trip back, dont want your tires suffering. I'm assuming you paid them?
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Old 07-26-2005, 10:58 AM
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yes......i'm going back right now..i got the lifetime..n if they say that they can't fix it..then i'm just going to say give me my money back...
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Old 07-26-2005, 11:01 AM
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Have you plowed into anything lately that may have bent any steering components (LCA's ets)
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:22 PM
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The cross camber is fine. Although the camber itself is rather high. Since you have a camber kit, might as well use it to bring the camber to within factory specs. Maybe the Firestone place does not know you have a camber kit? If they go by the computer, it would show that Maxima camber is non-adjustable.
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:27 PM
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i just went there. i had to argue with them for abuot 15 minutes that i need my camber re-done. n then they were trying to tell me that my tire will not wear out with -1.4 n -1.5 degrees. n i told them that i wanted -.25 on each...then they go..ur camber can't be chagned anyways. n then i opened my hood n then said...i told you guys i had one and to adjust it..n then they were like...oh....if they don't know how to adjust my camber kit...i'm just going to ask for a full refund..lemme remind you that i bought the lifetime warranty which came out to be like $155
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:29 PM
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neg 0.25 is a bit small for camber. 0.5 or 0.75 would be much better. But 1.5 neg camber WILL decrease tire life by quite a bit. Probably take 1/3 off the tire's life or more.
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i want -.25 but i know that he won't be able to do -.25 because he was trying to tell me that it is toe that messes up tire wear!!! n then heh as this 240sx n saying that he will burn me no matter how much i will have modded it. n i go..ok..but i'm talking about my camber.... i know your 240sx can burn me....but i also know that this has nothing to do with my camber....it was a big arguement...n i think i'm just giong to tell him to refund my lifetime warranty n just have a single-time warranty.. i have no clue whats going to happen...this is ridiculous...
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It's true, improper toe will burn though tires fast also. But big neg cambers don't help things either.
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Excessive toe angle and/or camber angle will burn tires faster.
If both are out of spec, then the wear will be extremely fast.

About 3/4 to 1 degree negative camber isn't bad.

I personally prefer zero toe angle to a little bit of toe-out on the alignment.
I believe the factory specs dictate some toe-in, but having some toe-out helps with steering responsiveness. A liitle toe-in vs. toe-out will have about the same rate of tire wear, but I feel that toe-out is more fun to drive.

Toe-out means that with the steering wheel centered, the front left wheel points just a little to the left and the front right wheel points a little to the right. Toe-in means the opposite -- the wheels are pointed in towards each other.
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Old 07-26-2005, 04:21 PM
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i went back, n they re-did my alignment. apparently its maxed out. on the left its -1.1 n on the right its -1.0
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Even with the camber bolts? You are either extremely low or your control arm bushings are shot.
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Old 07-26-2005, 07:43 PM
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i'm pretty low. but then it seems like my car pulls to the right. n i'm pretty sure that my wheel isn't completely in the middle. i'm going to drive some more tomorrow so i'll justify if i need to go back. if i do need another alignment, i'm just going to call up corporate n hopefully they can re-imburse me by sending me to another firestone or something. i really don't want to go back to THAT firestone. now i finally realize why i dis-like going to shops. They always think they know EVERYTHING and that THEY'RE ALWAYS right n know EXACTLY what they're doing.
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Originally Posted by ImmaSquashYou
i went back, n they re-did my alignment. apparently its maxed out. on the left its -1.1 n on the right its -1.0
Leave it like that, I run with -1 degree up front and don't notice any abnormal tire ware at all. It also handles great with that setting.
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