Iv'e had it with auto trannies!!!
12-19-2005, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CreativeDesignz
i would send in that auto to get rebuilt. autos are always faster and i think that with the amount of power your putting down the 5 speed will still be too weak. just imagine missing a shift, auto it crisp everytime, that is unless u get a sequencial (sp?) shifter 
maybe you should learn a little about car mechanics before posting this bull****. Autos put less power to the wheels because of the torque converter. and if you miss a shift, then you should learn to drive a ****ing stick
12-19-2005, 07:44 PM
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here's a link I picked up awhile back researching the swap.
http://www.dynomagic.com/maxima/5spd_conversion.htm
they can debate the auto vs manual thing for pages. It really depends on how you want to use the car. I perfer the 5spd and may swap in the future, or I may just replace the car with something else. It will more than likely be cheaper in the long run to repair the auto....... good luck
http://www.dynomagic.com/maxima/5spd_conversion.htm
they can debate the auto vs manual thing for pages. It really depends on how you want to use the car. I perfer the 5spd and may swap in the future, or I may just replace the car with something else. It will more than likely be cheaper in the long run to repair the auto....... good luck
12-19-2005, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
But for similarly modded N/A A32's w/ bolt ons, the 5MT will still pwn...
12-19-2005, 08:00 PM
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You can make an auto fast from 0-60. The 5 speed is all driver, it puts down more power so it is easier to spin them. No matter what though, the 5 speed puts down more power and it shows up top. I put it down on one of the fastest autos on the boards, when I say fast I mean high 13s/low 14s in the 1/4. I am not going to name names, but this guy knows his stuff and runs a torque converter and trick shift kit. On the freeway, it was no match.
12-19-2005, 08:10 PM
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You can make an auto fast from 0-60. The 5 speed is all driver, it puts down more power so it is easier to spin them. No matter what though, the 5 speed puts down more power and it shows up top. I put it down on one of the fastest autos on the boards, when I say fast I mean high 13s/low 14s in the 1/4. I am not going to name names, but this guy knows his stuff and runs a torque converter and trick shift kit. On the freeway, it was no match.
12-19-2005, 08:16 PM
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Those who are arguing about this need to read the first post...
He's already decided on a 5-speed, he just wants advice on whether to get a new one or buy a junkyard one and have it upgraded. IMHO, this debate isn't called for in this thread. Thus, this thread is getting longer and longer with information that the thread starter can't even use. You guys need to start your own thread and continue your debate there.
Originally Posted by i30krab
I'm going for the 5 speed swap!
I blew the oem tranny, the Level ten tranny, and now the NRH tranny.
I think it's time to change my luck. It appears the 6 speed is too much trouble fitment wise and others have had too many problems with this swap.
I don't know whether to buy a new 5 speed or buy a junkyard special and have it rebuilt and upgraded. I might as well go with a JWT flywheel and ceramic clutch.
If anyone has any good advice I would really appreciate the info.
Also does anyone have any necessary parts I'll need for the swap? I can get you the cash in time for XMAS!
I blew the oem tranny, the Level ten tranny, and now the NRH tranny.
I think it's time to change my luck. It appears the 6 speed is too much trouble fitment wise and others have had too many problems with this swap.
I don't know whether to buy a new 5 speed or buy a junkyard special and have it rebuilt and upgraded. I might as well go with a JWT flywheel and ceramic clutch.
If anyone has any good advice I would really appreciate the info.
Also does anyone have any necessary parts I'll need for the swap? I can get you the cash in time for XMAS!
12-19-2005, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rbhays
maybe you should learn a little about car mechanics before posting this bull****. Autos put less power to the wheels because of the torque converter. and if you miss a shift, then you should learn to drive a ****ing stick
12-19-2005, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DR-Max
Those who are arguing about this need to read the first post...
Originally Posted by i30krab
...To be honest, I'm undecided.
Originally Posted by DR-Max
He's already decided on a 5-speed
12-19-2005, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CreativeDesignz
oh and with auto u will be fast becuase u stay in boost all time if im not mistaken. someone correct me if im wrong.
And of course if you're using a turbo or not.
The Stillen S/C has no relavance to your statement above, only turbo.
12-19-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by i30krab
...I talked to Pat Barret at level 10 and it would be about $1500 with shipping to tear down the tranny and update everything. He also said now he has much stronger parts for the tranny than what he put in 6 years ago. Of course there is still the labor to swap the automatics!
Assuming I put in a junk yard rebuilt 5 speed and all the other necessities,
what is the approximate cost for the swap?? I'll bet it's twice as much and then I have to constantly change gears in traffic.
To be honest, I'm undecided.
Assuming I put in a junk yard rebuilt 5 speed and all the other necessities,
what is the approximate cost for the swap?? I'll bet it's twice as much and then I have to constantly change gears in traffic.
To be honest, I'm undecided.
???
Originally Posted by NmexMAX
What about the 10th post
12-20-2005, 01:08 AM
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I talked to Rob at NRH transmission in Jessup Md today and he wants me to send my automatic to him so he can see what failed and fix and upgrade the internals. Since he worked on it last, he will warranty his work from 2 years ago!
I finally made up my mind and will fix this auto tranny. I can't see me shifting gears in traffic, I usually have my dog with me and drinking starbucks coffee. If I had another hand I would go with the manual.
Also, I'm over 60 and I can't multi task as well as the old days.
I do need to know the approximate shipping weight of the tranny and torque converter and what is the cheapest and quickest transporter?
I finally made up my mind and will fix this auto tranny. I can't see me shifting gears in traffic, I usually have my dog with me and drinking starbucks coffee. If I had another hand I would go with the manual.
Also, I'm over 60 and I can't multi task as well as the old days.
I do need to know the approximate shipping weight of the tranny and torque converter and what is the cheapest and quickest transporter?
12-20-2005, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by i30krab
I talked to Rob at NRH transmission in Jessup Md today and he wants me to send my automatic to him so he can see what failed and fix and upgrade the internals. Since he worked on it last, he will warranty his work from 2 years ago!
I finally made up my mind and will fix this auto tranny. I can't see me shifting gears in traffic, I usually have my dog with me and drinking starbucks coffee. If I had another hand I would go with the manual.
Also, I'm over 60 and I can't multi task as well as the old days.
I do need to know the approximate shipping weight of the tranny and torque converter and what is the cheapest and quickest transporter?
I finally made up my mind and will fix this auto tranny. I can't see me shifting gears in traffic, I usually have my dog with me and drinking starbucks coffee. If I had another hand I would go with the manual.
Also, I'm over 60 and I can't multi task as well as the old days.
I do need to know the approximate shipping weight of the tranny and torque converter and what is the cheapest and quickest transporter?
12-20-2005, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tavarish
the shipping weight of the auto tranny and TC, with a palate is about 205 pounds. i shipped with a company called lynden air freight, they shipped it in 2 days to chicago from NJ, for $150.
I owe you big time!! If Lynden air doesn't renege on their quote of $125.00 to ship the tranny in a plastic case (187 lbs) from las vegas to jessup Md, They can save me over a thousand dollars round trip!!
Thank you very much, Ron
I'll let you know what happens.
12-20-2005, 07:50 PM
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Hp
It's been 2 years since I dynoed at JWT's shop.
At that time we hit 399 hp at the front wheels but I ran out of fuel around 6500 rpm and we stopped. Jim didn't have the torque part of the dyno working at the time.
I well be going back 01/13/06 for more tuning and redyno. Since then, I added a nismo fuel pressure regulator and hot wired the fuel pump directly to the battery. Also we will reprogram for a 100 shot of n2o. Hopefully we can get higher numbers.
I went to the track and I couldn't hook up and I need drag radials. I haven't bought them yet because I have brembo calipers and I have to buy tires and rims. I ran 16.5 seconds at 103 mph at that time. That was with wet tires!
At that time we hit 399 hp at the front wheels but I ran out of fuel around 6500 rpm and we stopped. Jim didn't have the torque part of the dyno working at the time.
I well be going back 01/13/06 for more tuning and redyno. Since then, I added a nismo fuel pressure regulator and hot wired the fuel pump directly to the battery. Also we will reprogram for a 100 shot of n2o. Hopefully we can get higher numbers.
I went to the track and I couldn't hook up and I need drag radials. I haven't bought them yet because I have brembo calipers and I have to buy tires and rims. I ran 16.5 seconds at 103 mph at that time. That was with wet tires!
01-18-2006, 05:48 PM
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auto tranny update
As you probably know I decided to keep the auto and send it back to Rob at NHR tranny in Jessup MD.
The part that broke was an oem spline on the forward drum. He got a new one and had it hardened. He put in a new back drum and changed the final drive ratio to 374.
He still has the tranny after 3 weeks but all who have dealt with Rob know that this is par for the course!
Rob has put together an old maxima connected to his chasis dyno and he can swap in and out diff trannies and axles and bring engine speed up to 300 hp and check the unit by putting it through its shifts. I am also getting new beefed up axles and he is currently testing everything.
A typical tranny shop tests its units at 30 to 40 hp. As you can see, Rob's way will show up most potential problems before he sends the unit back to the customer!
The part that broke was an oem spline on the forward drum. He got a new one and had it hardened. He put in a new back drum and changed the final drive ratio to 374.
He still has the tranny after 3 weeks but all who have dealt with Rob know that this is par for the course!
Rob has put together an old maxima connected to his chasis dyno and he can swap in and out diff trannies and axles and bring engine speed up to 300 hp and check the unit by putting it through its shifts. I am also getting new beefed up axles and he is currently testing everything.
A typical tranny shop tests its units at 30 to 40 hp. As you can see, Rob's way will show up most potential problems before he sends the unit back to the customer!
01-18-2006, 06:10 PM
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I'm glad to see that you went with building up the auto! Your car sounds silly fast, so silly fast that it would be slower with a stick, that's awesome!!! I look forward to seeing your new e/t's. Also, I've found that manual shifting the a32 auto's is kind of tricky, you can't really bang gears like you could in my 87 300zxt, that thing was a blast to shift manually. Maybe it's different with some vb mods to firm the shifts up, and the ??extra or beefier clutches and bands?? but have you thought about having the tcm re-worked so you could put it in drive and still have really quick and aggresive wot shift points??
01-18-2006, 06:19 PM
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but have you thought about having the tcm re-worked so you could put it in drive and still have really quick and aggresive wot shift points??[/QUOTE]
This will be the next project with Rob if it is a viable mod!
This will be the next project with Rob if it is a viable mod!
01-18-2006, 06:34 PM
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http://www.powertraincontrolsolution...content-4.html
If you scroll down, you will see that they are currently in the process of building a harness adaptor for your transmission.
If you scroll down, you will see that they are currently in the process of building a harness adaptor for your transmission.
01-18-2006, 06:37 PM
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whoa, wait, that's for the 350Z tranny, ooops. You might want to contact them, they can definitly get something togethor for your application for about $850, pricey, but I bet you would see some marked improvement in shift times and e/t.
01-18-2006, 06:42 PM
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Excuse me for bringing this up, but Edge torque converters seem to be getting real popular with auto orgers - including me, but mostly Jime and some others. I haven't been on a track since installation 3 weeks ago, and can't until April, but the Edge might be your answer to torque converter loss.
Talk to Andre at Edge about what they can build for you - this guy knows his converters. They build special converters for all sorts of cars and setups.
Their web site is where the Email and phone # is located. http://www.edgeracingconverters.com/
I had a 3000RPM stall converter built and installed about 3 weeks ago, and it's like launching a 5-speed. Daynm. It's a good thing I have Jbars..
Dual-stage !!
01-18-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dariod
Watch this
1993 Camry V6 200k miles ORIGINAL tranny AUTO
1991 Ford Escort 210k miles ORIGINAL tranny AUTO
1996 Maxima 122k miles ORIGINAL tranny AUTO
I must be a miracle worker since I have never had AUTO tranny fail me in total of 533k miles
1993 Camry V6 200k miles ORIGINAL tranny AUTO
1991 Ford Escort 210k miles ORIGINAL tranny AUTO
1996 Maxima 122k miles ORIGINAL tranny AUTO
I must be a miracle worker since I have never had AUTO tranny fail me in total of 533k miles
my well maintained, slightly abused 5 spd tranny went 250k before i sold the car.
01-18-2006, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by i30krab
As you probably know I decided to keep the auto and send it back to Rob at NHR tranny in Jessup MD.
The part that broke was an oem spline on the forward drum. He got a new one and had it hardened. He put in a new back drum and changed the final drive ratio to 374.
He still has the tranny after 3 weeks but all who have dealt with Rob know that this is par for the course!
Rob has put together an old maxima connected to his chasis dyno and he can swap in and out diff trannies and axles and bring engine speed up to 300 hp and check the unit by putting it through its shifts. I am also getting new beefed up axles and he is currently testing everything.
A typical tranny shop tests its units at 30 to 40 hp. As you can see, Rob's way will show up most potential problems before he sends the unit back to the customer!
The part that broke was an oem spline on the forward drum. He got a new one and had it hardened. He put in a new back drum and changed the final drive ratio to 374.
He still has the tranny after 3 weeks but all who have dealt with Rob know that this is par for the course!
Rob has put together an old maxima connected to his chasis dyno and he can swap in and out diff trannies and axles and bring engine speed up to 300 hp and check the unit by putting it through its shifts. I am also getting new beefed up axles and he is currently testing everything.
A typical tranny shop tests its units at 30 to 40 hp. As you can see, Rob's way will show up most potential problems before he sends the unit back to the customer!
01-18-2006, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
Good to hear. Do you know what process he went through to harden it?
01-19-2006, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Da Max
wow your tranny lasted for 6 years!! thats a good dam tranny, especially with the amount of work youve done to the car!
shiet i had my car for 2 years, and i only got a ypipe and i went through 3 trannies
shiet i had my car for 2 years, and i only got a ypipe and i went through 3 trannies
01-19-2006, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by grey99max
Excuse me for bringing this up, but Edge torque converters seem to be getting real popular with auto orgers - including me, but mostly Jime and some others. I haven't been on a track since installation 3 weeks ago, and can't until April, but the Edge might be your answer to torque converter loss.
Talk to Andre at Edge about what they can build for you - this guy knows his converters. They build special converters for all sorts of cars and setups.
Their web site is where the Email and phone # is located. http://www.edgeracingconverters.com/
I had a 3000RPM stall converter built and installed about 3 weeks ago, and it's like launching a 5-speed. Daynm. It's a good thing I have Jbars..
Dual-stage !!
Talk to Andre at Edge about what they can build for you - this guy knows his converters. They build special converters for all sorts of cars and setups.
Their web site is where the Email and phone # is located. http://www.edgeracingconverters.com/
I had a 3000RPM stall converter built and installed about 3 weeks ago, and it's like launching a 5-speed. Daynm. It's a good thing I have Jbars..
Dual-stage !!
01-19-2006, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by i30krab
Rob already put in a new TQ!
Can you share any details??? This is new ground for us amateurs, you know. Have you used a custom converter before?? And did you ever use Jclaw's traction bars, or something else? Your car is such a monster that everything is interesting.....
Good luck!
01-19-2006, 08:58 AM
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http://redlinemax.com/catalog/fastest.php
AHEM AHEM for all teh fastest maxima people... = )
2DaMax you still selling that car?
AHEM AHEM for all teh fastest maxima people... = )
2DaMax you still selling that car?
01-26-2006, 10:53 AM
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Hey Ron, long time no hear! I hope Vegas is still treating you ok.
I have talked with Rob at NRH several times. Even though he's sometimes hard to get in touch with and is very busy, his work speaks for itself! Plus, the fact that he's standing behind his lifetime warranty is AWESOME! That is the only reason I am considering him for a build.
Please keep us posted about your car. You know we are all interested!
I have talked with Rob at NRH several times. Even though he's sometimes hard to get in touch with and is very busy, his work speaks for itself! Plus, the fact that he's standing behind his lifetime warranty is AWESOME! That is the only reason I am considering him for a build.
Please keep us posted about your car. You know we are all interested!
01-29-2006, 09:52 PM
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Hey Ron, long time no hear! I hope Vegas is still treating you ok.
Aaron,
Everything is good here! I'm just waiting for my tranny, it is due back wednesday. I will be going to JWT in march to have the car retuned and then get some Hoosier's DOT-legal Competition tires and get to the track!
Maybe I'll see you at the track this year. Ron
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Aaron,
Everything is good here! I'm just waiting for my tranny, it is due back wednesday. I will be going to JWT in march to have the car retuned and then get some Hoosier's DOT-legal Competition tires and get to the track!
Maybe I'll see you at the track this year. Ron
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01-29-2006, 10:08 PM
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finally getting auto tranny back with new parts
:attention The tranny is due back wednesday and Rob put in some goodies!
New HP 6 clutch direct drum.
low & reverse clutches
hardened direct hub clutch
high energy forward frictions
3200 stall speed torque converter
teflon pump bushings
forward sprag
solenoid block assembly
2/4 band
front planetary gear set
high energy coast clutches
He put it in his test car and ran it on his special set up tranny dyno to check
everything! I'll let you know how it feels and shifts next week.
New HP 6 clutch direct drum.
low & reverse clutches
hardened direct hub clutch
high energy forward frictions
3200 stall speed torque converter
teflon pump bushings
forward sprag
solenoid block assembly
2/4 band
front planetary gear set
high energy coast clutches
He put it in his test car and ran it on his special set up tranny dyno to check
everything! I'll let you know how it feels and shifts next week.
01-30-2006, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by i30krab
Aaron,
Everything is good here! I'm just waiting for my tranny, it is due back wednesday. I will be going to JWT in march to have the car retuned and then get some Hoosier's DOT-legal Competition tires and get to the track!
Maybe I'll see you at the track this year. Ron
.
Everything is good here! I'm just waiting for my tranny, it is due back wednesday. I will be going to JWT in march to have the car retuned and then get some Hoosier's DOT-legal Competition tires and get to the track!
Maybe I'll see you at the track this year. Ron
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01-30-2006, 01:43 PM
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I30krab,
How much did it cost to have it upgraded? Did you remove your transmission yourself and how hard is it.
I need transmission work too but I don't know if removabl/installation is tough.
Please let me know...
thanks,
stglock
How much did it cost to have it upgraded? Did you remove your transmission yourself and how hard is it.
I need transmission work too but I don't know if removabl/installation is tough.
Please let me know...
thanks,
stglock