Hey, i've been having this starting problem. It stutters on startup, and sometimes doesnt start for minutes. I've changed out the crank and cam sensors, and i've added two grounds, one to the starter, and another to the tranny. Still, I have this problem. I'm going to try to ground it with better wire. Will anyone chime in with a possible solution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIpAaHfsuxU

 

Are you giving it any gas while trying to start? And isnt that killing your battery trying keep it starting for so long?

 

no, it makes no difference if i give it gas, and yes, it does kill my battery, but it's the only way I get my car to start.

 

try your coil packs mine has been doing the same thing and i have a bad coil.

 

damn, that's bad...I assume you got that spark plug out (I never followed up on that). I don't have anything to tell you to trouble shoot - free bump I guess.

 

if no codes for coil packs,put new spark plugs and clean up O2 sensors

 

my 95 does it worst than that..i didnt ask anyone here because i didnt know how to explain it..i hope someone here knows what it is because mine does it worse..but only usally when hot ..hmmmm

 

i have no codes for coil packs, i'm thinking it's the crank sensor, since the rpm's move when i try to start it. grounding is also an issue.

By the way, O2's are fine, and i just put in some new NGK Iridiums.

 

Every try changing out the starter ?? possibly the starter seleniod ??

-matt

 

it could be a lack of fuel-fuel pump ,furl pressure reg,fuel filter,clean the MAF sensor.

 

changed out starter solenoid, replaced with a '99 starter solenoid. Then i replaced the starter itself. Still the same crap.

 

ever since i met u ur car has always had some starting issue....

 

i'll change out the fuel pump to the fuel pump in my parts car. i doubt this is the problem though. I'll try a better ground.

 

yeah i know, i wanna get to the bottom of it though.
it's gonna be 73 degrees tomorrow, so i'll check it out.

 

^good luck. if changing the fuel filter changes anything, let me know because im having the same probbbbbb

 

What sounds alarming is that pausing during the cranking. It seems to fire a plug now and then early on the compression stroke causing the slight pauses heard as the starter struggles to turn the motor over.

You've changed both crank sensors (POS & REF) as well as the cam angle sensor? Does the car seem to catch after you release the ignition key? If so, your ignition switch might be on it's way out. There pretty cheap and easy to replace. There also a common failure item on 4th gens.

 

are you getting spark?

 

yeah, sometimes after starting like this, though, my car idles funny and drives shaky.

 

is ur maf sensor dirty?

 

doubt it, i really think it has to do with my crank sensor, or possibly my fuel system.

 

start trouble shootin with the fsm i guess.i'll see what i can find in the meanwhile.also check your fuses sometimes they go bad.even if they are not blown.

 

have you cleaned your throttle body and idle air control valve ?

 

Horrendous start. The grounding solved my starting issues but my long starts didn't sound like that. You really shouldn't be cranking that long but I understand you have to do what you have to do. Basically, starting is all about fuel, spark, crank. I can hear it cranking although it seems to lose steam, understandably, after about 8 sec. Spark is unlikely since the car seems to purr smoothly after startup and it is unlikely you have a bunch of bad coils/plugs that is needed to start as poorly as that. Fuel is a BIG question mark. I notice that the temp guage is reading cold. Yet when you start, the rpms are <1000. That is abnormal. It should be around 2000 until the engine is warm. Even after you rev, the rpms fall down below 1000. Makes me question the ECTS which will make the ECU idle higher AND feed the car more gas when starting. If you've already replaced this, I would get a fuel guage and put it in between the fuel filter and the FPR. If fuel line is OK, it could still be your FPR. After that prolonged start attempt, I am very surprised that the car isn't backfiring from excess fuel which is normal when you crank for that long.

 

I would hope you checked the spark plugs. If so..... check fuel lines/pump/filter. My best guess

 

i really hope someone else has any ideas on this because it is driving me crazy on my car..like i said my 95 does the same thing but worse..please someone help

 

any update?

 

Try changing your evap caninster. Your fuel does not seem to be mixing properly.

 

Mine used to sound exactly like that and it got a little better after adding ground wires then it got back to being worse. I don't know how you did your gorund wires but on mine i had the tranny gound on the bigger bolts(17mm i think). I switched to the 12mm bolts and it started great. Like i said, i'm not sure which bolts you used on the tranny but if you used the large ones, try switching to the smaller ones.

Good luck