Riddle me this homeslices - do I have bad tires or bad clutch?
#1
Riddle me this homeslices - do I have bad tires or bad clutch?
So here's the situation:
If I go 70 in 5th gear going about 2800 RPM and go WOT - the needle will jump up to about 4K RPM, engine will rev then it will go down to normal and keep accelerating. Same in 3rd and 4th gears... but it apparently does it only when its super wet outside like tonight.
I tried doing this on a more dry area (but still wet due to the rain and no dice). I can't feel the spinout and I don't loose control (probably since this is a WWD car) - but still... I can't figure it out whether it really is spinning tires with no traction or whether it is a bad slipping clutch. If I do gradual acceleration with no WOT - it doesn't do this...
So.... bad clutch or bad tires?
Cliffs:
1. Raining hard.
2. Doing 70 in 5th
3. Go WOT in 5th; RPM go from 2800 to 4K then go back and keep accelerating. Engine makes rev sounds too.
4. Same happens in 3rd and 4th in the same RPM range.
5. Doesn't happen on dryer ground.
6. ...
7. No profit?
If I go 70 in 5th gear going about 2800 RPM and go WOT - the needle will jump up to about 4K RPM, engine will rev then it will go down to normal and keep accelerating. Same in 3rd and 4th gears... but it apparently does it only when its super wet outside like tonight.
I tried doing this on a more dry area (but still wet due to the rain and no dice). I can't feel the spinout and I don't loose control (probably since this is a WWD car) - but still... I can't figure it out whether it really is spinning tires with no traction or whether it is a bad slipping clutch. If I do gradual acceleration with no WOT - it doesn't do this...
So.... bad clutch or bad tires?
Cliffs:
1. Raining hard.
2. Doing 70 in 5th
3. Go WOT in 5th; RPM go from 2800 to 4K then go back and keep accelerating. Engine makes rev sounds too.
4. Same happens in 3rd and 4th in the same RPM range.
5. Doesn't happen on dryer ground.
6. ...
7. No profit?
#4
Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Does that mean? WWD..
Your tires are
Your tires are
My other forum says that its impossible for the Max to spin out at such low RPM... so I am confused now.
#5
Originally Posted by ComradeJew
My other forum says that its impossible for the Max to spin out at such low RPM... so I am confused now.
Even if they say your car has no nuts/low end torque, and it cannot spin at tht RPM/speed, they might want to consider the poor condition of your current tires.
What was their explanation for no 'spin' in dry conditions? Oh yeah, Maximas have moisture sensitive clutches that hydrolyze whenver their temperature reaches 35*C and the RH is over 40%.
Go buy a new clutch, and leave the same tires on there.
#6
Originally Posted by NmexMAX
And I'm sure the other forum knows a Truckload more than this forum does about Maximas
Even if they say your car has no nuts/low end torque, and it cannot spin at tht RPM/speed, they might want to consider the poor condition of your current tires.
What was their explanation for no 'spin' in dry conditions? Oh yeah, Maximas have moisture sensitive clutches that hydrolyze whenver their temperature reaches 35*C and the RH is over 40%.
Go buy a new clutch, and leave the same tires on there.
Even if they say your car has no nuts/low end torque, and it cannot spin at tht RPM/speed, they might want to consider the poor condition of your current tires.
What was their explanation for no 'spin' in dry conditions? Oh yeah, Maximas have moisture sensitive clutches that hydrolyze whenver their temperature reaches 35*C and the RH is over 40%.
Go buy a new clutch, and leave the same tires on there.
Explain plz? They do have boatloads of info but they do think Maxima's are weak at the low-end
#7
Originally Posted by ComradeJew
Moisture sensitive clutch?
Originally Posted by ComradeJew
Explain plz? They do have boatloads of info
Originally Posted by ComradeJew
but they do think Maxima's are weak at the low-end
#8
Originally Posted by ComradeJew
Moisture sensitive clutch?
Explain plz? They do have boatloads of info but they do think Maxima's are weak at the low-end
Explain plz? They do have boatloads of info but they do think Maxima's are weak at the low-end
#15
Sigs are for loosers
#16
Originally Posted by gunny11218
its umm actually "cigs" but anyways, i think it might be that you have a slippy clutch how many miles are on the car? because clutches do wear out and they do need to be replaced everyonce in a while and also keep in mind, are you pushing the pedal to the floor when you slip? that could mean bad tires.
#22
Originally Posted by skweaky
next time it does it, just ****** the wheel one way or the other. if you dont turn....its tires. if you hit a wall, its clutch. do things the easy way.
haaa haaahaaaa...that made me spit up some Mountain DEWWWWWWWWWWWWW
#23
Originally Posted by 4x4Max
Can you honestly not tell if your tires are slipping?!?
Well I'll give it a shot today in a bit when I drive to work; the roads are dry and that should tell the whole story.
I tried the whole 20 mph in 5th gear and no dice, it didn't rev up.
#24
first of all what type of tires do you have, what condition are they in?
The question NmexMAX asked is a good question too, Rephrased: Does your speed needle(not actual speed) increase proportionally with respect to your RPM needle?
If your speed needle lol goes up with the RPM then indeed you are spinning the tires, if your speed needle doesn't move or slowly moves then its your clutch slipping.
speed needle =
The question NmexMAX asked is a good question too, Rephrased: Does your speed needle(not actual speed) increase proportionally with respect to your RPM needle?
If your speed needle lol goes up with the RPM then indeed you are spinning the tires, if your speed needle doesn't move or slowly moves then its your clutch slipping.
speed needle =
#28
Originally Posted by 96blkonblkse
speed needle
Originally Posted by 975spdmax
why don't you just try it on a completely dry road and if it doesn't act up then its probly just your tires?
Originally Posted by ComradeJew
5. Doesn't happen on dryer ground.
#29
Okay so here's what happened today:
I took off for a 30 mile drive to work; right when I got to the highway I floored it in all gears - there was no needle jumping, just straight smooth good ol' acceleration. I drove for a while and then 20 miles later I did it again, except this time the RPM needle did the same - it would rev up and then drop down, engine will rev up and slow down. The car accelerated constantly though, the speed needle (heh), would keep accelerating like normal under WOT.
I did a test a buddy recommended and while accelerating in 3rd, pressed the brake and the gas at the same time - the engine bogged down, the RPM needle did not go up.
The tires I have are Yokohama ES100 on the fronts and they have some life left on them.
I am gonna try and upload a video in a bit depending on how well it came out.
I took off for a 30 mile drive to work; right when I got to the highway I floored it in all gears - there was no needle jumping, just straight smooth good ol' acceleration. I drove for a while and then 20 miles later I did it again, except this time the RPM needle did the same - it would rev up and then drop down, engine will rev up and slow down. The car accelerated constantly though, the speed needle (heh), would keep accelerating like normal under WOT.
I did a test a buddy recommended and while accelerating in 3rd, pressed the brake and the gas at the same time - the engine bogged down, the RPM needle did not go up.
The tires I have are Yokohama ES100 on the fronts and they have some life left on them.
I am gonna try and upload a video in a bit depending on how well it came out.
#30
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...37983265950886
Watch the vid towards the end - notice how it jumps and then look at the speedo... wudya make out of that?
Apologies about vid quality - taken by my phone and I was more concentrating on driving...
Watch the vid towards the end - notice how it jumps and then look at the speedo... wudya make out of that?
Apologies about vid quality - taken by my phone and I was more concentrating on driving...
#33
check to see if ur slave cylinder is leaking ...
i have had similar issues before and it went away after changing the clutch. After my throwout bearing died, my slave was leaking as ewll and it had leaked onto the clutch.
i have had similar issues before and it went away after changing the clutch. After my throwout bearing died, my slave was leaking as ewll and it had leaked onto the clutch.
#37
Welps - i confirmed it's the clutch although some things still baffle me. The way I confirmed is this:
As I was going 70 mph; I put a firm hold on the brakes and then floored it. RPM needle jumped, car kept slowing down, then the RPM needle went down and would continue to bog down with the speed. When I got to a street, I tried to slowly release the clutch in 4th and 5th gear but the car caught on and drove. I didn't find any leaks so I doubt my slave cylinder is leaking (but I haven't done a thorough check). I suppose my clutch has plenty of life left for it as long as I don't abuse it and enough to go find replacement parts (nadir_s suggested doing a 5th gen clutch).
So with that - how would one go about doing a 5th gen clutch swap? Is it bolt on? Do I just order a complete 5th gen kit and all will be well? Or should I stick with OEM 4th gen? Or something completely different?
As I was going 70 mph; I put a firm hold on the brakes and then floored it. RPM needle jumped, car kept slowing down, then the RPM needle went down and would continue to bog down with the speed. When I got to a street, I tried to slowly release the clutch in 4th and 5th gear but the car caught on and drove. I didn't find any leaks so I doubt my slave cylinder is leaking (but I haven't done a thorough check). I suppose my clutch has plenty of life left for it as long as I don't abuse it and enough to go find replacement parts (nadir_s suggested doing a 5th gen clutch).
So with that - how would one go about doing a 5th gen clutch swap? Is it bolt on? Do I just order a complete 5th gen kit and all will be well? Or should I stick with OEM 4th gen? Or something completely different?