ethnic6

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hey guys, I'm just wondering I have the money to get the rest of my exhaust system now... so I got a couple of questions in mind. In ur opinion which should I get

- is it worth it to get a magnaflow catalytic converter?

- should I get a budget b-pipe and a Cattman muffler, or just the whole cattman exhaust system?

- is the gains worth the cost? or am I just paying for the sound?

thanks for the input guys

TurTLe*

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you are pretty much paying for sound. i'm pretty sure you know that as well. but then again your spending the same amount for the same amount of gain as most other NA cars out there. its not like our cars are extremely holding us back at the NA stage.

i'm looking to replace my exhaust system in the future because of rust and the price of OEM VS aftermarket. Jstutter showed us a cut out of how the bends were on his OEM b-pipe.

Fr33way™

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Try to take a peak at your cat, it flows fine (2.5in) unless it is clogged.

96blkonblkse

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yeah i guess nissan new how poor the flow was of the factory y and b pipe, so they atleast made the cat flow good? the cat is a 2.5" but the rest of the exhaust varies from 2" to like 1". With catbacks most of the time you pay for sound, that is true for most cars. The gains are pretty small. for the price of a decent stainless steel catback (400ish) id rather put it towards a mod that will give way better gains throughout the whole powerband...00vi. alternatively you could go for a mevi.

ethnic6

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how do I find out if its clogged,

I'm just wondering if its worth it to get a full cattman exhaust, or if I should just get a budget b pipe and then a cattman muffler?

Bobo

I would stick with the OEM muffler and get the Budget b-pipe, but then again I am not into noise and only have a K&N panel filter, no intake.

I replaced my OEM muffler with OEM in August and plan on getting a stainless steel Budget b-pipe, with resonator, in due course.

I have a stainless steel Budget y-pipe and am pleased with it.

Fr33way™

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The screen will have many particles trapped in it or it can be damaged. I saw mine at around 120K and not one passage was blocked.

As far as "worth it", they are both going to do pretty much the same job but the full Cattman will probably have a cleaner sound.

Sound is such a personal choice that I would just say it's up to you.

ethnic6

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whats the difference between a b pipe with resonator and one without?

LiGhtSoUt

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resonator restricts some of the pressure making it quiet

Apparition

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I'd say Budget B with Cattman rear section, just like me.. B-Pipes are like Y-pipes as where mufflers are certainly different audibly.

ethnic6

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I was thinking of the budget b pipe and the cattman muffler... Im just wondering whats the next best investment for performance upgrades, Mevi, Oovi, or ECU upgrade?

LiGhtSoUt

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oovi then would come ecu at the end of ur modding stage
but you have exhaust, headers, udp too consider also

but to answer your question the oovi will give you the best benefit performance wise

ethnic6

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how much of a gain are we talking about here?

Apparition

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I dont ever really consider V/I in terms of power increase, dyno shows it but I'll drive a 5th Gen and then back to my 4th Gen and the value of the mod itself is being able to gain some HP/TQ here and there but mostly to carry the power to and (with ECU) past redline.

Personally I'd get a Wb02 and AFC before 00vi. Then you have all bases covered, unless you dish for eManage.

Fr33way™

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30-40 whp gain on the right side of the tach is not "here and there".

Fr33way™

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And you would be slower than an A32 00VI'd with stock injectors and factory tune AND have spent/wasted more money AND still have stock rev limit.

ethnic6

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so in terms of mods after the exhaust system do u guys recommend a cattman header or an oovi?

Apparition

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.. No .. How the fawk would you be slower. It was you and I saying that 00vi with tune/ AFC to open the V/I was the way to go ya basterd. Then theres DandyMax with 00vi and eManage and I'll slap you into tomorow if you say he's slower.

EDIT: I was saying get AFC and Wb02 in prep for 00vi.. Maybe you didn't understand that.

Yup, Here and There and Everywhere..

bigpulve+

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00Vi is the next coarse. Headers do little to nothing for us. They are amazing for the 3.5 but not the 3.0.

black95max

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this might sound like a noob question but what is Wb02? and u guys are saying that a performance muffler wont make better hp gains its just for sound?

Neo Raven456

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If it helps any, instead of the cattman system, I'm going with Warpspeed, I doubt there are huge gains from Cattman > Warpspeed, and its significantly cheaper.

bigpulve+

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Well a "performance" muffler will give negligible gains. We're talking like .5 to 1 HP. It Does make for a lovelier exhaust note.

MaximaSE96

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get any form a variable intake...whether an MEVI or 00vi...sure the 00vi is better but is also isnt as straight forward as a MEVI.....if u go 00vi source and gather all parts first

Fr33way™

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I took your post as comparing WBO2/Tune to 00VI.

Yes, I agree that tuned 00VI is the way to go.

Apparition

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Jack@ss .. Well, back to the forum.

black95max

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if i got a budget b pipe with out the resonator and the cattman rear section will it sound like crap? does the resonator make a difference in hp if its not there?

Fr33way™

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Resonator will not slow you down.

ethnic6

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does it sound better with the resonator or without one?

black95max

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ok thats what i wanted to know. w/o resonator is cheaper so im still tring to decide if i want more noise or save money

MaximaSE96

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u will be sorry if u dont get a resonator

black95max

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i guess that means it will sound awful

MaximaSE96

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yes...it will resonate and drone in the car

Apparition

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I have the damn Budget B-Pipe (resonated) and Cattman rear section and it sounds quite nice.

Things you dont wanna do are, test pipe or unresonated B-pipe. No!

bigpulve+

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Yea I have an unresonated Budget B and I absolutley hate it. It drones all the time and sounds like shiite. I plan on getting a warpspeed Resonated B and a muffler in the next couple months.

4x4Max

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might as well do it right and get a cattman system

maximafrenzy

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Im glad I read this forum, I was planning to "upgrade" to a Greddy SP2 or the Cattman and all that crap, now I'll stick to OEM. I like the SE model anyway it looks nice, I have a GLE. Thanks guys you just saved me lotsamoney.

Cdg2125

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not sure what this oovi you speak of. For other performance def. do an 00vi with WB02 and a VAFC-2 (or emu if you can afford it). Tunned 00vi with new exhaust will give very nice gains. Headers are only worth it if everything is redone on the exhaust plus you have some mod to the IM or maybe supercharger (IMO). But for exhaust I agree that budget b and cattman muffler will sound nice.

edit: maximafrenzy, why are you staying stock now? The thread is explaining that stock isn't better for exhaust. Muffler is fine if you dont want more noise and the cat is good. The rest of the stock exhaust is restrictive as hell.

maximafrenzy

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At first I could swear I read that you could get some nice HP gain, but it all seems like its not worth spending the money unless you go 00vi, or mevi or whatever else they mentioned here. Except if you go with a y-pipe and a budget b pipe?

And I was not going to do it just to get some HP, I always said when the muffler goes bad I will spend the extra to get a decent upgrade.

black95max

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anyone know anything about the mufflers they sell on budgets website? they say its a higher flow muffler. what u guys think?

ethnic6

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I'm gonna go with the budget b-pipe with Cattman muffler set up, already ordered the muffler today