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Old 04-18-2007, 01:43 PM
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Belt question!

My stalling problem I'm thinking might be attributed to my belts. I hear a squeaking noise that is intermittent and directly related to the hesitation in acceleration, mixed with the smell of gas.

My idea is that maybe the belts are slipping, but the injectors fire in time, leaving excess fuel and causing the smell. Any thoughts?

We have... 1 belt?
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:47 PM
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Wow. That would definitely not cause that problem.

CEL codes please

The engine is going to turn whether the belts want to or not. The motor will toss an idler pulley before it slows because of slipping belts
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Stalling is the cause of air or fuel problems.

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Old 04-18-2007, 02:06 PM
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Bring it over to NYC and I'll fix that puppy right up for you!
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Ugh a drive to queens? XD matty would be much closer. btw matty how much would you charge?
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Originally Posted by Neo Raven456
Ugh a drive to queens? XD matty would be much closer. btw matty how much would you charge?
Charge for what ??
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Originally Posted by matty
Charge for what ??
I had my threads mixed up, in another thread you asked if I needed my stuff installed (Y-pipe, cat, catback, sts) and was wondering how much you'd charge.

Also I need to get something with my fuel system done, there's a problem i can't figure out
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How many miles? Have you replaced the fuel filter recently? Are you misfiring or just stalling?
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:03 PM
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108k I made efforts to fix it, replaced PCV Valve, Fuel Filter, Air Filter, Spark Plugs, and Cleaned IACV/TB
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PM me about the install...

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Old 04-18-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Neo Raven456
108k I made efforts to fix it, replaced PCV Valve, Fuel Filter, Air Filter, Spark Plugs, and Cleaned IACV/TB
I would hate to say its an injector, the engine is still young....but are you feeling a rough idle along with your stalling problem? Are you misfiring? My dad had to replace all 6 injectors on his solara with 50K miles. The ethanol in the fuel is really hurting the cars. Also, I would start running 93/94 if you do not already.

Let me know some more symptoms of your problem and I will do my best to help.
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Originally Posted by 99BlackMaxMS
I would hate to say its an injector, the engine is still young....but are you feeling a rough idle along with your stalling problem? Are you misfiring? My dad had to replace all 6 injectors on his solara with 50K miles. The ethanol in the fuel is really hurting the cars. Also, I would start running 93/94 if you do not already.

Let me know some more symptoms of your problem and I will do my best to help.
I run 93 consistently and have been for the last... 10,000+ miles since I got the car. Old owner probably did not considering the muffler that was on it when I bought it >.> Nakayama? w/e

Symptoms are these (I'm not sure of what a missfire feels like so I'll describe things to the best of my ability):
  • Sometimes when depressing the accelerator lightly I'll receive no accel but then it will suddenly jump and stutter-accelerate
  • The above is usually followed by intense fuel smell
  • Not necessarily rough, but just unsteady idle, jumps around
  • Often dips to 400 hesitates and stalls or rises to 1k for a minute then back to 700
  • Often stalls in neutral
  • While in cruise control it will simply just studder a lot, as if I was tapping the pedal to music because it stutters in patterns

I also think I may need to replace belts since I have a squeeling noise that I don't like, and when I get around 5krpm+ I hear intense whirring that has to be my belts.
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Good news...does not sound like a misfire. A misfire is when a piston is not firing or trying to fire...and struggles to, making the car run very rough.

It is definitely an air or fuel problem as said before. I am lead away from a fuel problem because: (not in specific order)

1. New Fuel Filter
2. Have run 93 for 10K+ miles
3. Does not misfire (will usually is fuel is cut short from reaching the engine)

I think that it is a problem with your air intake system. I recall that you are running a CAI. Correct me if I am wrong. I am not the best as far as troubleshooting air flow problems but it seems like your engine is being cut short of air. Make sure that everything is bolted up properly to the intake manifold. Check every part of your CAI for leaks or loose bolts/clamps. It could be your MAF even. Like I said before I am not the most knowledgeable person in this subject but this is what I would do to begin to troubleshoot. Check for codes again...even if you SES light is not on.

If none of this works...I would suggest bringing it into a shop/dealership and just ask them what they think the problem is (without having them look at the car and charging you money). Just describe the symptoms and they should recommend something. Just my 0.02
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Originally Posted by 99BlackMaxMS
Good news...does not sound like a misfire. A misfire is when a piston is not firing or trying to fire...and struggles to, making the car run very rough.

It is definitely an air or fuel problem as said before. I am lead away from a fuel problem because: (not in specific order)

1. New Fuel Filter
2. Have run 93 for 10K+ miles
3. Does not misfire (will usually is fuel is cut short from reaching the engine)

I think that it is a problem with your air intake system. I recall that you are running a CAI. Correct me if I am wrong. I am not the best as far as troubleshooting air flow problems but it seems like your engine is being cut short of air. Make sure that everything is bolted up properly to the intake manifold. Check every part of your CAI for leaks or loose bolts/clamps. It could be your MAF even. Like I said before I am not the most knowledgeable person in this subject but this is what I would do to begin to troubleshoot. Check for codes again...even if you SES light is not on.

If none of this works...I would suggest bringing it into a shop/dealership and just ask them what they think the problem is (without having them look at the car and charging you money). Just describe the symptoms and they should recommend something. Just my 0.02
By rough do you mean like bucking? It feels like I'm trying to teach someone to drive stick, it'll get stuck in these patterns that when the accel is intermittent it causes a rocking effect on the whole car.

I think Tomorrow night I'll take of the IACV all the way to the Air Filter, give everything a good once over and put it back on. Worst part about the whole thing is no codes, or any ghost codes. Not touching the TPS though, Idk where my multimeter is and it's set at the right voltage where it is
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:15 PM
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When I say rough I mean that the whole car will vibrate intensly...and you will have codes. Usually during a misfire, the SES light will flash...meaning that it is very severe.

I definitely agree with you taking apart and reassembling the intake....lets hope that it is your problem.
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Originally Posted by 99BlackMaxMS
When I say rough I mean that the whole car will vibrate intensly...and you will have codes. Usually during a misfire, the SES light will flash...meaning that it is very severe.

I definitely agree with you taking apart and reassembling the intake....lets hope that it is your problem.
Ok so I took down the intake, TB -> Filter, and there was some gap between the rubber piece that holds the TB/Midpipe together. I took some pictures and I'll show you. Now though its on real solid, so there are no doubts that there aren't any leaks. I took pictures of the MAF and the TB, I'm no pro so I'm not sure what I'm looking for, hoping you can tell me if its fouled or not.
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:13 PM
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Here they are, pictures of bay, the gap I was talking about, inside TB/MAF and an Ambient Air Sensor I had to DYI mount since the PRCAI i was sold wasn't for 95/96 obviously and didn't have the mounts, had to fashion my own which was a real solid project that came out beautifully.



Dirty and crooked looking?



The gap



TB cleaned ~1,000 miles ago



MAF (Filter side)



MAF & Ambient Air Sensor (I think that's what it is) (TB side)
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:21 PM
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The strong fuel smell makes it sound like lack of spark to me. No misfire code? I would guess that it's one or more coils causing the problem.
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New plugs were put in about 500-750 miles ago, no codes. Do coilpacks give codes?
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:52 PM
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You'd get a code if a misfire was detected for the cylinder in which it happened, but it won't specifically tell you if it's the plug, coil, injector, etc. That's why it's much easier to find the problem if you figure out which cylinder is missing- you can swap out the coils and what not.
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Ah I see, but regardless no codes =/
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But that gap was pretty big, could have been a big leak so we'll see over the next few days if it helped
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That gap could very well be the problem. I would take it for a spin for 10 miles or so and see if it was actually the problem. If that is not the problem, I would just wait for a code to come up and deal with it then. You have nothing else to go after so I would just simply wait it out if the gap between the TB and the midpipe was not the problem.
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Problem is, the problem is so intermittent that I may not know for the next week >.<

L0R1DA being the nice fellow he is wrote me a very informative PM on the workings of belts and I coincidentally had an appointment at a local shop to have my belts replaced saturday morning, so If these two things don't fix it, well I'll be quite perplexed and start looking into coilpacks and fuelrails
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Just the fact that the problem is only intermittent makes it seem like it's not a problem with the intake. If there was a vacuum leak in the intake it would be VERY apparent all the time, and you'd hear the "swoosh" sound of the leak when hitting the throttle.

It's much more common for an electrical part such as a coil to fail intermittently.
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Originally Posted by Wassup2114
Just the fact that the problem is only intermittent makes it seem like it's not a problem with the intake. If there was a vacuum leak in the intake it would be VERY apparent all the time, and you'd hear the "swoosh" sound of the leak when hitting the throttle.

It's much more common for an electrical part such as a coil to fail intermittently.
I Agree 100% which is why I started this whole ordeal with replacing the TPS, etc... and saved this last intake fix up for last since I didn't hear any leaks, but figured it couldn't hurt.

Besides it gave me a chance to realign and reface all my screw clamps on my CAI so the screws are hidden and they are all facing the same way
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Well it wasn't the intake, problem is worse than ever. And there's a new problem...

When I put it into first and start taking off, as I take off the clutch and apply the gas and start accelerating I hear like creaking coming from in front of the pedals, and I can also physically feel it. It only happens in first and second, and when I go over bumps and even roads there is physically something loose and rattling right in front of the pedals
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I think I'm having the same trouble. It makes me and my wife look like we don't know how to shift. It will happen in the first 3 gears. Sometimes, I push in the clutch and it will just shut off. It alway starts right back up. I replaced the fuel pump and fuel filters about 4 weeks agao because of the problem and ran great for 200 miles and started all over again. Sometimes it runs great and others I want to shoot it or sell it.
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Originally Posted by dfswartz
I think I'm having the same trouble. It makes me and my wife look like we don't know how to shift. It will happen in the first 3 gears. Sometimes, I push in the clutch and it will just shut off. It alway starts right back up. I replaced the fuel pump and fuel filters about 4 weeks agao because of the problem and ran great for 200 miles and started all over again. Sometimes it runs great and others I want to shoot it or sell it.
I feel you on that one bro, Things that I am gearing up for are a Fuel Pressure Regulator change and a combustion chamber cleaning. Also, if your talking about the rattling have a shop inspect your front control arm bushings as well as your lower radiator support
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