I like to drive as much as any enthusiast on this website, but I want to remind everyone to be safe, not STUPID about racing in light of all the "Killed a ______ last night" threads I see posted and recent movies like "Fast and Furious and "Gone in Sixty Seconds.

I work in the court system. Recently a dude was racing his tuned japanese import against another car when they caused a nearby motorist to lose control of his car and collide head on into another vehicle resulting in the death of five people. The State Attorney charged the dude with several counts of vehicular homicide and mansalughter. The dudes parents put up bail the next day and the guy gets sprung until his trial. The judge releases him but ORDERS him only to use his car to go to work or school. So what does this really smart guy do? He goes out in the middle of the night and gets a speeding ticket from an off-duty cop for doing triple figures in the middle of the night. Now he's in lock-up for the next several months, awaiting trial, and more than likely to do time in the Big House. I suspect the meaning of "rear sway bar" will take on an entirely new meaning for him.

Remember dudes... use your head. Be smart!

 

I agree with you all way 200%, racing or driving fast is really stupid. Grow up dudes! Even if you are skillfull drivers, it does not mean that other driver is good and he could cause accident because of your reckless drivings.

 

yeah i am just as guilty as anyone and i will admit it but i say take it to the track.

 

Yea, if some lil punk *** in a civic, acura "integra" or whatever trys to challange you, let his @ss go ! Not worth it!!! I personally dont wanna hurt my beauty (Max) over some cheep over-priced, or under-priced P.O.S.

Now for the BUT....bro you said DUDE like 20 times. And you say you work in the court system or somethin ? I just imagine you as a Middle-Aged Father of 2 trying to relate to us youngsters.



No hard feelins', you made a Good point !!!

lata

 

Dude, working in the court system doesn't make you a father and it doesn't make you middle aged, it just makes you a government employee. This dude could be a bailiff, a court stenographer, a legal assistant, a janitor or a hitman, either way, you don't have to be old or have kids to work in the court system. Not trying to bust yer ***** Craig, just making a point. Oh and we're not all youngsters like you, I'm 27, and I spell out my words that end in "er"...


later



hehe

 

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Dude, working in the court system doesn't make you a father and it doesn't make you middle aged, it just makes you a government employee. This dude could be a bailiff, a court stenographer, a legal assistant, a janitor or a hitman, either way, you don't have to be old or have kids to work in the court system. Not trying to bust yer ***** Craig, just making a point. Oh and we're not all youngsters like you, I'm 27, and I spell out my words that end in "er"...


hummmmmm i dont get it BUT

i would love to know what kinda dash kit you have? is it joshua tree? if so what kind? is it the same as sycefiro (not sure about spelling but im sure you know who im talking about). thakns man. looks good.....

 

I agree with you on some points, I feel that racing in a busy street, highway, etc. is dumb maybe fun but not when it's busy guys c'mon. However, I would be liing if I said dont race or that I don't cause it's not true, I only race when the weather is nice, it's a pretty streight road, and mostly when there are NO cars around.

You also have to look at it this way, most people who do race are skilled, I said *most*, I think the world would be alot safer if we had more racers and speeders than punks who drink and drive, cause that **** is alot dumber than what we do, seriously...

And people I'm not speaking from a when I was your age perspective, I'm 16 hehe I know how it feels to be tempted from a first hand standpoint...

 

My bad. it just sounded a lil' off. Oh, well he made some good points I CAN say that. hey JUSTMAX, have you had any trouble w/ that cop detector ??? I hear cops can de-scramble 'em, and then when you get a ticket the cop adds like 500 bucks more cuzz u have the detector. Is this true ?? Cuzz i'll be needing one....

 

I bought a Bel 980 - that's one of the best removable detectors you can get. It had a 30 day money back, so I figured, let's test this sucker out...

I drove around at the speed limit, in places where I expected cops and others, scouted cops around my neighborhood and on I-90 and I-95. The thing picked up X, K and Ka bands easy on straightaways... BUT... if that cop was tucked away anywhere it didn't notice him until I had him. If I were actually speeding the cop would have got me.

So I remembered that my Dad had once had radar detectors (a few) and I asked him why he didn't anymore (he still speeds like CRAZY). He said "I got pulled over just as often with the detector, and when I got pulled over the cop had no mercy."

So I brought it back, got my money back, and began using the CRUISE CONTROL when I wasn't in a hurry - fer chrissake, I got one of the most comfy cars around with a fantastic sound system, why am I rushing to get out of it?

Check local laws on detectors. Usually, they can't do anything about the detector, but they will look for other stuff to get you on if they see you have one. In some states, detectors are against the law and you are DOOMED if you get caught with one... Also, individual towns may have radar laws.

Also, in places where have a higher budget for speeding patrols, the cruisers will be equipped with lasers. YOU CAN'T EVADE THE LASER I don't care what kind of reflecting device you have or fancy radar shiznitz, you can reduce the chances of a successful scan but I wouldn't count on evading the laser.

My advice - get your kicks somewhere where the cops don't care at all. Don't go real fast in places you are unfamiliar with. The far left lane is ticketbait. Nice rims are ticketbait.

And you can always use the best radar detector of all: YOUR AWARENESS OF SURROUNDINGS. If you can't spot potential cops - both marked and unmarked - it's possible you don't have the awareness to drive at high speed with other traffic around you.

Shayyadin

 

Hey. Thanks. You musta spent some time on that lengthy explination. Yea cops WILL discriminate against people w/ supped up cars. I've seen it happen b4. I'll go w/ your advice and pass on the detector. I live in Florida and I think its illigal where I live. Besides, if on the highway, and traffic is flowing smoothly, and Im going 5-7 miles over the speedlimit, but driving safely (not swerving in and outta lanes) I think that the cops wont bother becuase they want to catch the reckless morons more. (those who are BIG speeders, swerve in and outta lanes, cut others off, ect.)

-=Thanks=-

 

Well in my case being a 16 year old on my moms policy if i get stopped by the po-po's insurance goes up twice as much.

 

Speed doesn't kill- stupidity does.

 

Micah, I respectfully disagree.

If everyone were a professionally trained driver operating with 100% attention to the road and obeying laws of traffic flow, everyone would be able to drive as fast as their car could negotiate the road and there would be no accidents.

But they're not. And even if +you+ are a professionally trained driver, driving fast could cause an accident. Maybe +you+ could avoid oncoming problems. But other vehicles, not expecting you are what you were doing, and not fully paying attention to the situation, might be in the wrong place at the wrong time and fail to respond quickly enough.

And that's the way most fatal car accidents happen.

And there are many, many professionally trained drivers who have died due to excessive speed combined with some other element beyond their control (a minor malfunction of the car, an unexpected bump in the road, wind, light, distraction, etc.). And a lesser speed would have rendered the problem more readily solved - or the accident non-fatal.

Though speed is rarely the only factor in an incident that kills, speed is almost invariably the deciding factor between a mishap and a tragedy.

Speed kills. Use your better judgement.

Shayyadin

 

I agree 100%. Speed isn't a factor on it's own. Inappropriate speed for traffic density and road conditions are though. I don't street race but have used radar detectors and police frequency scanners for many years and they do work, at least the ones I've owned have.
A detector isn't a license to speed, but a tool in evening the odds against the greedy lawmakers and a court system whom have really nothing to offer other then the time worn (out) "Speed Kills" lie.
I use a detector because tring to talk to lawmakers about effective drivers education and licensing standards has brought nothing but the same old "slow everybody down to the lowest common denominator" answer from most of our government officials.
Instead of teaching proper drivers education, such as that taught at schools who teach performance driving, we get high school coaches still teaching parallel parking and how to pass the state drivers exam.
No wonder so many people both young and old have no respect for traffic laws and see the system for what it really is, a money grab by our law makers and the court system.

 

It sounds like you have been brain washed by the Anti-destination League.

"And there are many, many professionally trained drivers who have died due to excessive speed combined with some other element beyond their control (a minor malfunction of the car, an unexpected bump in the road, wind, light, distraction, etc.). And a lesser speed would have rendered the problem more readily solved - or the accident non-fatal."

Who are these so called "professional drivers? Cops?

 

i just wanted to add a quote i heard from a race driver once, he said "im not afraid of going fast, but horrifyed by stopping fast"

 

Dale Earnhart was a master of fast driving and I loved to watch him run. I don't think he died from being stupid though. Not trying to start any forest fires but more times than not, human error is the couse of most accidents whether in the air, at sea or on land. Let's keep thinking about the human error aspect of driving fast.

 

You've got me all wrong. I said "Use your better judgement," not "obey speed laws." Speed laws are a crock.

That's why you have judgement.

I will not dignify the nitpickers with a response. I know what I'm saying makes sense.

I'm not saying drive the statutory 15 miles an hour through an empty parking lot (law), no more than 30 miles an hour through a thickly settled area (law), no more than 25 miles an hour on an exit or entrance ramp (law).

I drive faster than the speed limit basically all the time, and I drive WAY faster than the speedlimit +sometimes+. I'm not telling you to believe everything you read. I'm telling you to be wise.

What I'm saying, no reasonable person should disagree with:

- Learn and know your limits as a driver and the limits of your car, and keep them in mind.

- Push the envelope in a place where it is safe to push the envelope.

- Do +not+ endanger the lives of others by "experimenting" in places where a lot of other people are just trying to commute.

- Try and figure out +why+ a sign or law was posted, and base your actions on that.

Take the laws as guidelines, and remember that they CAN be enforced.

<b>Use your better judgement!</b> Is that really something that needs to be debated?

 

the "Off Topic" forum. The subject of speeding and street racing has been beat to death in the past on the .ORG forums and will never be settled in our lifetimes. I will say that comparing anything done on, or said by, amateur or professional race drivers about their on track driving has nothing to do with what we do on public roads.

I don't street race (or condone it) but do go with the flow of traffic which is often 10 or more mph over the posted limit on many roads and use the detector as a shield against being picked out for revenue collection.

It's a shame that the energy wasted on catching, and money collected from so called "speeders" isn't used to help build and operate race tracks where street racers could go to let off steam. The nearest drag strip is nearly 80 miles from this city and this unavailability of a racing venue certainly tempts many to race on the street.

 

Now your making alot more sense. Your pervious post read much differently to me.

 

Yes it's a JT dash kit, walnut burl, and I really like it alot.

BTW, that's an older pic of my old Bel detector, I just recently got an Escort 8500 and it's FAN-FRICKIN'-TASTIC!@!!!!!!

This 8500 has saved me at least 5 times (going like 80-85 in a 65), and Texas highway patrol puts out little trailers with old K-band radars built in that have a read-out to tell you how fast you're going (kinda like "we see you speeding out there")... well the 8500 sniffs those things out like 1/2 mile in advance. It's amazing.

Also, cops can't scramble a radar detector, because it's just a passive reciever... if it hears the right frequency of radar signals, it beeps. There's nothing to scramble. Period.

Lastly, cops can't fine you for having one unless you live in Virginia, D.C., or (I think) Maryland? The other 48 states have no law against them. Like others have said, a mean cop can seriously get on your case though.

Later

 

You basically proved my point. Most people are too stupid to realize that they are ****ty drivers and cause accidents through negligence. Again, speed doesn't kill. I've gone 700mph before and I'm still alive. Plenty of people have died while driving the speed limit. It's all about car control and paying attention. If you don't pay attention and don't control your car and cause a wreck, that's just stupidity, no matter what the speed is.

 

Your Maxima should not be worth even risking over a Civic. Go to a track and show your stuff, but keep it off the streets. Granted, your car will look better smashed-in than some of those Civic with goddy-*ss body kits, but just let him go. He'll think he's the sh*t, but you can slow down and point your finger when you see him 3 miles down the road pulled over getting a speeding ticket. Just trying to wear out an already worn subject .

 

That's right! All human error.