Do I need Spring Compressors for the rear???
I was just at Pep Boys and the dude that gave me the compressors said he doesn't think I need them for the rear. He said just put it on the stands, disconnect the shocks, and lower the rear axle with a jack. I said, hmmmm, maybe, I'll consult the .org (maxima bible).
Thanx for any feedback.
Off Topic but it reminded me of last week, I was shopping around different garages, asking the mechanics what they would charge me for installing my new suspension, I told them I have the shocks and struts already, at one or two of the garages, the guys insisted that my car had struts all around. I am under the impression there are only shocks in the rear??? Right.
Thanx for any feedback.
Off Topic but it reminded me of last week, I was shopping around different garages, asking the mechanics what they would charge me for installing my new suspension, I told them I have the shocks and struts already, at one or two of the garages, the guys insisted that my car had struts all around. I am under the impression there are only shocks in the rear??? Right.
Originally posted by BRIGBOY
I was just at Pep Boys and the dude that gave me the compressors said he doesn't think I need them for the rear. ...
I was just at Pep Boys and the dude that gave me the compressors said he doesn't think I need them for the rear. ...
... the guys insisted that my car had struts all around. I am under the impression there are only shocks in the rear??? ...
I'm willing to go along with those who use strut for the rear coil/shock assembly. The distinction I make is this: If you can remove the shock and still drive the car, it is a shock. If the shock is an essential part of what fastens the wheel to the vehicle, and you can't drive the car with the shock removed, it is a strut. Corrections are invited...
Compressors NEEDED!
You will NEED spring compressors for the REARS.
PLEASE DO NOT attempt to remove your spring/strut assembly WITHOUT compressors installed first!!
You WILL hurt yourself without them compressors...
-dashingMax
PLEASE DO NOT attempt to remove your spring/strut assembly WITHOUT compressors installed first!!
You WILL hurt yourself without them compressors...
-dashingMax
Re: Re: compressors NOT NEEDED
Originally posted by Murphy_TX_Mike
Exactly, no compressor needed. No compressor needed to remove old springs, an no compressor needed to install aftermarket springs (they are shorter). You might need a compressor to install the front stock springs, if you cant compress them by hand. In all the years I have done struts, I have never used a compressor until last weekend, on a 3rd generation rear strut. 4th generation struts front and rear are easy. 20-30 minutes per strut, in and out.
MIke
Exactly, no compressor needed. No compressor needed to remove old springs, an no compressor needed to install aftermarket springs (they are shorter). You might need a compressor to install the front stock springs, if you cant compress them by hand. In all the years I have done struts, I have never used a compressor until last weekend, on a 3rd generation rear strut. 4th generation struts front and rear are easy. 20-30 minutes per strut, in and out.
MIke
Chilton & hayes are wrong!
I guess that the Chilton & Haynes repail manuals are both wrong!! They ALL advice that spring compressors MUST be installed before removing the springs from the strut assembly.
Why not just do it for safety reasons? I prefer to be Safe than Sorry.
Prevention is better than Cure my friend...
-dashingMax
Why not just do it for safety reasons? I prefer to be Safe than Sorry.
Prevention is better than Cure my friend...
-dashingMax
Re: Chilton & hayes are wrong!
Originally posted by dashingMax
I guess that the Chilton & Haynes repail manuals are both wrong!! They ALL advice that spring compressors MUST be installed before removing the springs from the strut assembly.
Why not just do it for safety reasons? I prefer to be Safe than Sorry.
Prevention is better than Cure my friend...
-dashingMax
I guess that the Chilton & Haynes repail manuals are both wrong!! They ALL advice that spring compressors MUST be installed before removing the springs from the strut assembly.
Why not just do it for safety reasons? I prefer to be Safe than Sorry.
Prevention is better than Cure my friend...
-dashingMax
Re: Re: Chilton & hayes are wrong!
Originally posted by Murphy_TX_Mike
They are CORRECT that you SHOULD use a compressor when removing the spring from the strut assembly. It is under some (not alot of pressure). There is no need to use a compressor to remove the complete assembly from the car though.
Use the following test to determine if a spring compressor is needed. When the strut is off the car, stand over it and push down on the top plate. If you can compress the spring far enough to move the plate away from the nut that secures it together, no need for a spring compressor. Loosen the nut up until the top of the shaft is flush with the top of the nut. Have an assistant standing by. Press the top plate down, and have the assistant remove the nut. Let the spring come up. It will not come flying off, as you are holding it down. Assemble in reverse order, push down on the plate and have the assistant start the nut on the shaft.
When installing aftermarket springs on the rear you dont need an assistant. Only on the fronts will you need help.
They are CORRECT that you SHOULD use a compressor when removing the spring from the strut assembly. It is under some (not alot of pressure). There is no need to use a compressor to remove the complete assembly from the car though.
Use the following test to determine if a spring compressor is needed. When the strut is off the car, stand over it and push down on the top plate. If you can compress the spring far enough to move the plate away from the nut that secures it together, no need for a spring compressor. Loosen the nut up until the top of the shaft is flush with the top of the nut. Have an assistant standing by. Press the top plate down, and have the assistant remove the nut. Let the spring come up. It will not come flying off, as you are holding it down. Assemble in reverse order, push down on the plate and have the assistant start the nut on the shaft.
When installing aftermarket springs on the rear you dont need an assistant. Only on the fronts will you need help.
No Bingo!!
As he said...
"stand over it and push down on the top plate. <B>IF</B> you can compress the spring far enough to move the plate away from the nut that secures it together, no need for a spring compressor."
The keyword here is "IF". Not everyone is capable to stand over the spring/strut assembly and do a circus style act.
Just install the darn compressors instead of jumping and dancing over some metal parts and having a friend watch you do that.
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On the same token, you may also argue that "IF" you can remove the lug nuts by hand, then you don't need a wrench. Therefore to remove the wheel from your car a wrench is OPTIONAL and not REQUIRED!! C'mon!!
"stand over it and push down on the top plate. <B>IF</B> you can compress the spring far enough to move the plate away from the nut that secures it together, no need for a spring compressor."
The keyword here is "IF". Not everyone is capable to stand over the spring/strut assembly and do a circus style act.
Just install the darn compressors instead of jumping and dancing over some metal parts and having a friend watch you do that.
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On the same token, you may also argue that "IF" you can remove the lug nuts by hand, then you don't need a wrench. Therefore to remove the wheel from your car a wrench is OPTIONAL and not REQUIRED!! C'mon!!
Re: No Bingo!!
Originally posted by dashingMax
As he said...
"stand over it and push down on the top plate. <B>IF</B> you can compress the spring far enough to move the plate away from the nut that secures it together, no need for a spring compressor."
The keyword here is "IF". Not everyone is capable to stand over the spring/strut assembly and do a circus style act.
Just install the darn compressors instead of jumping and dancing over some metal parts and having a friend watch you do that.
---------
On the same token, you may also argue that "IF" you can remove the lug nuts by hand, then you don't need a wrench. Therefore to remove the wheel from your car a wrench is OPTIONAL and not REQUIRED!! C'mon!!
As he said...
"stand over it and push down on the top plate. <B>IF</B> you can compress the spring far enough to move the plate away from the nut that secures it together, no need for a spring compressor."
The keyword here is "IF". Not everyone is capable to stand over the spring/strut assembly and do a circus style act.
Just install the darn compressors instead of jumping and dancing over some metal parts and having a friend watch you do that.
---------
On the same token, you may also argue that "IF" you can remove the lug nuts by hand, then you don't need a wrench. Therefore to remove the wheel from your car a wrench is OPTIONAL and not REQUIRED!! C'mon!!
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