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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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3.

Its proven that 3 is a more aesthetically pleasing number.
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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3 ftw
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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3 ftw
BTW, your car is teh sexii.

3!
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Wizard
Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me..... I count 3 rows in your tails......
then u need stronger glasses.....
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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dude, where can I get a pair of those. The 3 row are seriously sweet.
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
you gotta consider 4 or 5 of those are people who own 3 row sets, so they're going to be biased. it would have to be a landslide for me to do the 3 row for a couple reasons:

1. its been done (by almost everybody who has led tails)
2. i like the 4 row better
3. the 4 row design more accurately presents the image i would like my company to have

there is a possibility of me offering both designs, but it costs a lot of money for each one. i have more than a couple thousand dollars into this and have made all of 3.5 sets.

i plan on doing the reverse, but i will not be doing the turns. i prototyped a set when i started and there just isn't a good way to mass produce something that is good looking, safe, and fairly simple to install. i kind of polled the members when i began and most didn't feel the turns/reverse were necessary anyway.
Hmmmmm.... biased you say? If I had to buy new LED tailights tomorrow, I'd still buy 3-row. If you offered me free 4 row LED's in exchange for my 3-row, I'd say no and keep my 3-row. 3-row FTW!!

1. So what if it's been done. Being different isn't better, as I'm sure you understand. 3-row is tried and true, and more aesthetically pleasing as stated, IMHO of course. Sometimes it's better to replicate, rather than innovate, from a business decision point of view.

2. I respect that. But think of what the "people" want.... The 3-row is currently winning your poll.

3. I can respect that too. Although I don't understand how, that's a good enough reason for me. Then the poll is kind of a moot point, as you were hoping the 4-row would win by a landslide in agreement with your tastes.

If I was you, I'd offer one design (the 3-row obviously) and skip the reverse lights. Reverse is used <1% of the time. Easier to produce and cheaper for the consumer=more sales. That's my .02

Whatever you decide, I congratulate you for your fine efforts/accomplishments.
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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i think the 3 row looks hot
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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Hmmmmm.... biased you say? If I had to buy new LED tailights tomorrow, I'd still buy 3-row. If you offered me free 4 row LED's in exchange for my 3-row, I'd say no and keep my 3-row. 3-row FTW!!

1. So what if it's been done. Being different isn't better, as I'm sure you understand. 3-row is tried and true, and more aesthetically pleasing as stated, IMHO of course. Sometimes it's better to replicate, rather than innovate, from a business decision point of view.

2. I respect that. But think of what the "people" want.... The 3-row is currently winning your poll.

3. I can respect that too. Although I don't understand how, that's a good enough reason for me. Then the poll is kind of a moot point, as you were hoping the 4-row would win by a landslide in agreement with your tastes.

If I was you, I'd offer one design (the 3-row obviously) and skip the reverse lights. Reverse is used <1% of the time. Easier to produce and cheaper for the consumer=more sales. That's my .02

Whatever you decide, I congratulate you for your fine efforts/accomplishments.
thanks for your insight and allow me to explain further. i wasn't expecting 4 row to win, i was hoping to hear some positive comments which i did. i feel that there is enough interest in the 4 row to do what i wanted to do.

1) the reason it matters if it has been done is because when it was available how many people actually bought them? i feel the 3 row design caters more to the sporty/performance crowd. i think these people are more likely to spend their hard earned money on a hp upgrade than a lighting upgrade. i feel the 4 row design is geared more toward a show look (more likely to pay for a lighting upgrade).

2) i never expected the 4 row to win in the poll. people have been drooling over the 3 row for so long, and the few cars that do have them are excellent examples of maximas vs. my 1 taillight on a bench. the poll is there to count, not compare. if i can get x number of people to say they prefer the 4 row off 1 pic, i'm pretty sure i could get a following once there were some nice installed examples and some time passed.

3) being that this is my first product my ideals are strong in this one. if i could choose my business' fate i would prefer to stick to high end and hard to find mods that fall into a certain niche. i'm pretty sure that i'll end up giving in at some point, but its too early right now.

its probable that if these don't flop i'll eventually offer both designs. its probably not the best plan business wise to offer my design first but its what i'm going to do because its what i believe in.
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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I want these bad for my 96, any chance you can make some?
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:05 PM
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I want these bad for my 96, any chance you can make some?
if i had a set of 95-96 tails I would make a set. Just don't feel like buying the tails ha. If someone wanted to donate some extra tails to me I would work on it and give them back. With a small fee of course ha.
Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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I like the 3-row ones better. They don't seem so crowded.
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 05:37 AM
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4 row is pretty sick... i dunno... 3 is good... but 4 row is pretty sick...
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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DEf. 3 row....FTW
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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The 4 row get my vote... Are there any plans for a set for us 95/96'ers?
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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The 4 row get my vote... Are there any plans for a set for us 95/96'ers?
did you read my post before?
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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I have done 95/96 tails but not like everyone wants them done. I can also do led tails.
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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in regard to the brightness issue due to the distance between the board and the lensses, you should work out some brackets or spacers that would make the one that is further back in the housing closer to the lens.
i think that 2 designs would be nice since the opinions are pretty even right now.
good luck on the auctions!
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cdg2125
did you read my post before?
are you doing 4 row or 3 row like your sig?
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by menace_1877
are you doing 4 row or 3 row like your sig?
Ive got some 6 row 95 tails
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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are you doing 4 row or 3 row like your sig?
none now. Someone would have to donate their tails and let me design them. They would be 3 row imo. Also thinking of working on some 5th gen tails...
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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none now. Someone would have to donate their tails and let me design them. They would be 3 row imo. Also thinking of working on some 5th gen tails...
The 95-96 tails are nothing like the 97-99 just to let you know man.
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
the numbers are each taillight board. the signal is pulled though a harness attached to the oem bulb socket.

the reason most people have 3 wires is because they use drop resistors for dimming. i use a pwm, which pulses the leds at a very fast rate making them appear dimmer. this design only requires 1 signal wire and a short grounding wire.
Duty cycle FTMFW. I just built a pulse width modulator today, cool stuff.

That is all
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 04:57 AM
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Three rows look better to me...
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 05:37 AM
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I like the 4 row better. However the 3 row on Wizards car just looks soooooooooooooo damn nice!
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
the numbers are each taillight board. the signal is pulled though a harness attached to the oem bulb socket.

the reason most people have 3 wires is because they use drop resistors for dimming. i use a pwm, which pulses the leds at a very fast rate making them appear dimmer. this design only requires 1 signal wire and a short grounding wire.
so after all u did decide to use the pwm hu?
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yeah. i am actually having a new pwm circuit board designed for this project that should be able to solve the brightness issues as well.
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whats the problem ur having.. is the pwm adjustable??
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the problem is with the spacing causing varying brightness between the inners and the outers. the pwm is adjustable, but i need 1 potentiometer for the inners and 1 for the outers to allow brightness matching.
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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yo 3 row is fire. stick wit it.
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kzoosho



$ rows are hard to get a clear shot but i also went with 4 rows.
Its like a Christmas Tree
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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Love the 3 row the 4 row just seems to crowded together.
Old Feb 24, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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The three rows look nice.
Old Feb 24, 2008 | 11:08 PM
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I like the 3 row, the 4 isn't spread far enough apart.
Old Feb 25, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
the problem is with the spacing causing varying brightness between the inners and the outers. the pwm is adjustable, but i need 1 potentiometer for the inners and 1 for the outers to allow brightness matching.
ur gonna have to have 2, thats the only way is gonna work. i had the same problem.. the reason is because the outers have a different diffuser and they need to be brighter..

just use 2 pwms... on for the inner and one for the outer
Old Feb 25, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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woww

definetively 3 row looks insane :P +1
Old Feb 25, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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3 row all the way.
Old Feb 25, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by f550maranello2
ur gonna have to have 2, thats the only way is gonna work. i had the same problem.. the reason is because the outers have a different diffuser and they need to be brighter..

just use 2 pwms... on for the inner and one for the outer
i wonder why i don't have the same issues you have. Mine are all the same brightness in person.
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Originally Posted by f550maranello2
5 row is best...


STOP


Headlights

Are you running pwm on yours? Just wondering
Old Feb 25, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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i wonder why i don't have the same issues you have. Mine are all the same brightness in person.
most likely a difference in mounting techniques, thats why i asked you if you had any pics when you got yours completed. i mounted mine onto the oem reflectors.
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Originally Posted by kzoosho
Are you running pwm on yours? Just wondering


yep 2 of them/......



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