In the middle of 00vi swap, some random questions (pics)
03-05-2008, 07:27 PM
#1
In the middle of 00vi swap, some random questions (pics)
Hey all, i have a few questions...
I am using the 00' throttle body and iacv as seen in this picture...
The plug from the 4th gen iacv doesnt fit in the 5th's, can you just trim the plugs and jam them together? both are six wire plugs..
In the above photo, where the f*ck does this things go? if its not used, then where will the 3 connectors go that arent connected to anything?
Close up of it below:
Whats this below...
is it needed anymore
Thanks
I am using the 00' throttle body and iacv as seen in this picture...
The plug from the 4th gen iacv doesnt fit in the 5th's, can you just trim the plugs and jam them together? both are six wire plugs..
In the above photo, where the f*ck does this things go? if its not used, then where will the 3 connectors go that arent connected to anything?
Close up of it below:
Whats this below...
is it needed anymoreThanks
Last edited by slow97maxima; 03-05-2008 at 07:59 PM.
03-05-2008, 08:27 PM
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The other part pictures is your evap purge valve, you need that for CEL/emmisions purposes, same deal with the two other plugs next to the 4G IACV, unscrew them from the peice and plug them in/zip tie them, they bump your idle up during a/c and p/s use, obviously they won't work still but it will avoid a CEL.
Give me a call if you run into any other problems (Oh wait, that's a bad idea, it's an '00vi swap
)
But nah man, in the thread I said I'd give support, but I don't have my cell in my sig anymore, it's 774-766-7462
Give me a call if you run into any other problems (Oh wait, that's a bad idea, it's an '00vi swap
)But nah man, in the thread I said I'd give support, but I don't have my cell in my sig anymore, it's 774-766-7462
03-05-2008, 08:27 PM
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WTF, you guys are plugging in the 5th gen IACV's 180* out! Are you serious?
Oh, nad don't forget you MUST also remove the rubber grommedt inside of the plug or else it will not plug in.
Oh, nad don't forget you MUST also remove the rubber grommedt inside of the plug or else it will not plug in.
03-05-2008, 08:30 PM
#8
That's part of your EVAP system. You will need to connect that or it will trigger a CEL.
Last edited by CRiME; 03-05-2008 at 08:38 PM.
03-05-2008, 08:33 PM
#9
The other part pictures is your evap purge valve, you need that for CEL/emmisions purposes, same deal with the two other plugs next to the 4G IACV, unscrew them from the peice and plug them in/zip tie them, they bump your idle up during a/c and p/s use, obviously they won't work still but it will avoid a CEL.
Give me a call if you run into any other problems (Oh wait, that's a bad idea, it's an '00vi swap)
But nah man, in the thread I said I'd give support, but I don't have my cell in my sig anymore, it's 774-766-7462
Give me a call if you run into any other problems (Oh wait, that's a bad idea, it's an '00vi swap
)But nah man, in the thread I said I'd give support, but I don't have my cell in my sig anymore, it's 774-766-7462
Beat me to it! Didn't realize this was posted while I was typing
Everything's spot on.
03-05-2008, 08:51 PM
#10
1. As said before, its your olf IACV. The s plugs (purple, pink) are not used. The brown one you modify for the 5th gen. See here under '5th gen IACV': http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=538119
2. That is your Evap system. You need it. See link above, shows installing a new nipple for it(page 3 IIRC) and gives link to vacuum hose setup.
2. That is your Evap system. You need it. See link above, shows installing a new nipple for it(page 3 IIRC) and gives link to vacuum hose setup.
03-05-2008, 09:29 PM
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03-05-2008, 10:58 PM
#13
the one on the left that doesn't go to anything should go to a fresh air source on your midpipe. I never got around to connecting it though and I just have it open as it is shown in that picture. The one next to it above the orange connector is for the swirl valves, so that doesn't apply to you (I don't have anything going to it at all). The 3rd one is supposed to be blocked off, so I guess that you pretty much can accomplish that by looping it to the swirl valve nipple as shown. On my manifold, it is blocked off by a rubber cap.
03-06-2008, 01:03 AM
#14
For that third vaccum i hooked it up to my fuel damper i dont have a rail adapter.
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03-06-2008, 12:22 PM
#15
Just got it started! doesnt run for long tho so i guess now i can start looking for some vacuum leaks...
and what is with all the complaints about not using the 4G air box... fits quite nicely! ha
and what is with all the complaints about not using the 4G air box... fits quite nicely! ha
03-06-2008, 01:04 PM
#16
Do you not have ABS? The reason we complain about the 4th gen air box is because the way it's meant to be setup simply doesn't work. It hits things. Clearly you're lacking something the rest of us have then
03-06-2008, 01:11 PM
#17
Yes i have ABS and all those brake lines near the brake booster do get in the way a fair bit, but i just worked at it and using some force and made it fit. As you can see in the picture the bottom of the air box is not bolted down, and the snorkel is not in place. This is just a temporary setup to get it to run, but i was impressed at how well it fits for now. It doesnt even budge at all how it is, its quite solid.
The farting of air after the car runs for a few seconds is obviously some kind of vacuum problem correct?
edit: tatanko your site was an incredible help btw...
The farting of air after the car runs for a few seconds is obviously some kind of vacuum problem correct?
edit: tatanko your site was an incredible help btw...
Last edited by slow97maxima; 03-06-2008 at 01:13 PM.
03-06-2008, 02:22 PM
#18
Ok who wants to try and see what hoses are hooked up wrong...
Its a starting/idleing issue...
The hose you see with the blue tape connects to the 4G midpipe
Should i switch to the 4G TPS? (Not that this is my problem, just asking)
Oh and on the third picture, the big nipple on the midpipe where the 4G IACV was hooked up to, should it just be blocked up?
Its a starting/idleing issue...
The hose you see with the blue tape connects to the 4G midpipe
Should i switch to the 4G TPS? (Not that this is my problem, just asking)
Oh and on the third picture, the big nipple on the midpipe where the 4G IACV was hooked up to, should it just be blocked up?
Last edited by slow97maxima; 03-06-2008 at 02:25 PM.
03-06-2008, 03:56 PM
#19
Did you hook up the brake booster line? I'm not sure an incorrect TPS would make the car stall out. I would check specifically the lines (vacuum as well as fuel) for the FPR and fuel rails. Make sure everything is tight and that the FPR is getting vacuum and what not. Did you use 5th gen fuel as well? Looks like you did.
I still can't believe you got the 4th gen intake to fit...no matter how I jiggled things around I could never get it to sit like you did. Weird.
I still can't believe you got the 4th gen intake to fit...no matter how I jiggled things around I could never get it to sit like you did. Weird.
03-06-2008, 04:00 PM
#20
Yea brake booster is good. I tried for like 1/2 an our wrestling the intake on as one piece with no success. i then took off the accordian hose and straped that to the throttle body first, and hooked the rest of the midpipe/maf to the accordian hose and it made things easier.
03-06-2008, 04:06 PM
#21
I need to put my A32 midpipe on...
anyhow, Everything looks ok. You should plug the hole in the midpipe. 4th or 5th gen TPS, does not matter. Are you tuned? Maybe you are running too rich with the A33 LIM/inj and it hates you. Does it stay alive if you rev it? Do you hear any hissing sounds?
anyhow, Everything looks ok. You should plug the hole in the midpipe. 4th or 5th gen TPS, does not matter. Are you tuned? Maybe you are running too rich with the A33 LIM/inj and it hates you. Does it stay alive if you rev it? Do you hear any hissing sounds?
03-06-2008, 04:08 PM
#22
yea im using 5th gen fuel rail, 5th gen everything. which parts are important that they need to get a big vacuum source? could it be that somethings not getting enough vacuum maybe?
(according to your website tatanko)
brake booster is on #1 nipple (big nipple)
#2 is supplying fpr vacuum (smaller hose)
#3 is PCV (large hose/nipple)
#4 is EVAP (got a large nipple)
and #5 is a small hose going to what i think has something to do with EGR.
This is all the same in pictures i posted above
(according to your website tatanko)
brake booster is on #1 nipple (big nipple)
#2 is supplying fpr vacuum (smaller hose)
#3 is PCV (large hose/nipple)
#4 is EVAP (got a large nipple)
and #5 is a small hose going to what i think has something to do with EGR.
This is all the same in pictures i posted above
03-06-2008, 04:09 PM
#23
You should, makes a world of difference 
From what I've seen, he shouldn't be running so rich that the car won't run. A leak the size of that IACV port on the midpipe would definitely cause a rough idle, but I don't know about stalling completely. I had my intake literally fall apart at the track once and it would stall, but I could keep it running with the throttle open. So I agree, try holding the throttle and seeing if it stays running. Also, definitely seal that port!
From what I've seen, he shouldn't be running so rich that the car won't run. A leak the size of that IACV port on the midpipe would definitely cause a rough idle, but I don't know about stalling completely. I had my intake literally fall apart at the track once and it would stall, but I could keep it running with the throttle open. So I agree, try holding the throttle and seeing if it stays running. Also, definitely seal that port!
03-06-2008, 04:15 PM
#25
yea i dont think it would be fuel...i will plug that big *** hole in the midpipe. i was sealing it with my palm before ha.
i do here hissing and poping thats why i am leaning towards the vacuum somewhere.... but no idea where...
edit: but yes it does run after a few cranks with a lot of revs, but not for long.
i do here hissing and poping thats why i am leaning towards the vacuum somewhere.... but no idea where...
edit: but yes it does run after a few cranks with a lot of revs, but not for long.
03-06-2008, 05:16 PM
#27
yeah ive still been looking for the leak... plugged up all the holes in the midpipe... after it runs for like 4 or 5 seconds you will here a poof of air like a second AFTER it dies...
03-06-2008, 05:27 PM
#28
That is a vacuum leak. Check the rear seals on the LIM/UIM, back by the rear bank of injectors. Spray in some WD40/TB cleaner when the engine is COLD and you are idling. Watch tach/listen for a noticeable reaction from the engine.
03-06-2008, 06:31 PM
#30
rear seals? there is one seal between the upper and lower mani. do you mean like the back of the seal where you cant see very easily? I did replace the seal between the upper and lower mani.
I didnt want to, but i reused the 2 seals between the lower manifold and the heads/block. i am probably going to have to change those
Is it that seal you are talking about?edit: im gonna go spray the seals now with tb cealner and try to see/hear/notice something.
Last edited by slow97maxima; 03-06-2008 at 06:33 PM.
03-06-2008, 10:24 PM
#33
If you go to some place like Autozone or Advance Auto, you can buy a pack of the 4th gen gaskets (lower to heads and upper to lower, all 3) for cheaper than you can just the lower to heads gaskets usually. DEFINITELY do not re-use those. That alone could be your leak. Also, do not use 2 seals between the upper and lower, only the 5th gen one. I would also check to make sure your 5th gen EGR guide tube is sitting correctly. It may not be, it usually needs bent a little or it pushes the upper manifold up at an angle and causes it not to seal against the lower. But replace all the gaskets before worrying about that.
03-06-2008, 11:05 PM
#34
If you go to some place like Autozone or Advance Auto, you can buy a pack of the 4th gen gaskets (lower to heads and upper to lower, all 3) for cheaper than you can just the lower to heads gaskets usually. DEFINITELY do not re-use those. That alone could be your leak. Also, do not use 2 seals between the upper and lower, only the 5th gen one. I would also check to make sure your 5th gen EGR guide tube is sitting correctly. It may not be, it usually needs bent a little or it pushes the upper manifold up at an angle and causes it not to seal against the lower. But replace all the gaskets before worrying about that.
03-07-2008, 02:00 AM
#35
If you go to some place like Autozone or Advance Auto, you can buy a pack of the 4th gen gaskets (lower to heads and upper to lower, all 3) for cheaper than you can just the lower to heads gaskets usually. DEFINITELY do not re-use those. That alone could be your leak. Also, do not use 2 seals between the upper and lower, only the 5th gen one. I would also check to make sure your 5th gen EGR guide tube is sitting correctly. It may not be, it usually needs bent a little or it pushes the upper manifold up at an angle and causes it not to seal against the lower. But replace all the gaskets before worrying about that.
those types of gaskets are strickly one time use cause of the crimping so yeah i would buy new ones. and defently redo it all. The only gasket i reused was the valve cover and i didnt even want to do that. but it worked out.
The 4th gen upper gasket and the 5th gen upper gasket can actually be combined together?????? Do they even have the same bolt pattern?? i guess so if you can do it.
03-07-2008, 07:04 AM
#36
Ok sweet i will pick up those 2 metal gaskets (LIM to heads) from autozone and try those out. Will also look to make sure the UIM is seating itself properly with the 5G guide tube. And hopefully it will be up and running after that, i will be sure to make it known if i run into anymore problems hah.
03-07-2008, 08:01 AM
#37
"Kind of." I've never done it, so I can' tell you, but some have. It's a definite no-no, though, as it doesn't let the 5th gen gasket seal properly against a the flat metal surface of the lower manifold.
03-07-2008, 10:20 AM
#39
Let me ask this: how is your fuel set up exactly? You appear to have 5th gen fuel rails, injectors, lower manifold...am I right on that? If so, how are your fuel lines hooked up, etc.?
03-07-2008, 10:23 AM
#40
Yes 5th gen everything, i have the fuel entering the fuel rail in the front bank of the injectors, and exiting at the rear bank closest to the firewall. The FPR is also at the exit point of the fuel rail.