Key ring light + door open dome not working
08-25-2008, 03:29 AM
#1
Key ring light + door open dome not working
Alright all you tronic heads.. give me a hand here with my 99 GXE!
My key ring light and the auto on feature of the center dome are not working. This is not a fuse issue as I have checked the fuses and the dome light still works if its switched on manually.
Here is what I suspect could be the culprit..
Interior LED replacements / Courtesy light, Dimmer Switch, Gear Selector, Security light, Boards in map lights
Cruise control switch on dash is currently not working.. messed it up doing the light mod. Got a new one ordered but I dont think this is the issue.. it wouldnt be tied in with the problems.
Door chime box has been removed, I busted it after removing it to work under the dash. It had a tiny piezo disk and a board in it with a few electronic gizmos.
Could it be possible that the selector on the dome light simply isnt working on the auto side?
The reason I suspect these things is because this is what was going on when the problem arose. I'm willing to investigate anything you guys can reccomend. Thanks in advance
My key ring light and the auto on feature of the center dome are not working. This is not a fuse issue as I have checked the fuses and the dome light still works if its switched on manually.
Here is what I suspect could be the culprit..
Interior LED replacements / Courtesy light, Dimmer Switch, Gear Selector, Security light, Boards in map lights
Cruise control switch on dash is currently not working.. messed it up doing the light mod. Got a new one ordered but I dont think this is the issue.. it wouldnt be tied in with the problems.
Door chime box has been removed, I busted it after removing it to work under the dash. It had a tiny piezo disk and a board in it with a few electronic gizmos.
Could it be possible that the selector on the dome light simply isnt working on the auto side?
The reason I suspect these things is because this is what was going on when the problem arose. I'm willing to investigate anything you guys can reccomend. Thanks in advance
08-25-2008, 05:14 AM
#2
I don't think it's just a problem with the dome light. It isn't usually coincidence when your electronics in the car malfunction at the same time. I had a problem in the past concerning the car's BCM (body control module). My problem, however, consisted of the interior lights not going off, including the key ring light, when I shut the door. Although this was my only problem, you can usually depend on the BCM for those weird electrical problems.
I might be wrong bc my problem was based on a timing mechanism inside the BCM, but it's always a possibility with your problem.
Oh and it's def not because you replaced everything with LED's. You make have shorted the circuit doing so and you may not have known that until now.
Wait for others opinions on here first, but the only real way to test to see if it's the BCM is to replace it unfortunately.
I might be wrong bc my problem was based on a timing mechanism inside the BCM, but it's always a possibility with your problem.
Oh and it's def not because you replaced everything with LED's. You make have shorted the circuit doing so and you may not have known that until now.
Wait for others opinions on here first, but the only real way to test to see if it's the BCM is to replace it unfortunately.
Last edited by shissqbob; 08-25-2008 at 05:17 AM.
08-25-2008, 05:25 AM
#3
Thanks for the advise shissqbob, I'll research BCM replacement in the forum. If I have to get a used BCM I think it would be best to wait until I have everything complete so as not to risk scewing it up again. I guess this is a risk you take with LED's since you pretty much have to have power to the socket to get your polarity right.
Its as if you had the reverse problem I'm having.. crazy computers lol
Its as if you had the reverse problem I'm having.. crazy computers lol
11-25-2008, 10:01 AM
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11-25-2008, 10:05 AM
#8
Yep.
Anyone have any solutions? I checked the interior fuse and it was fine.
I tried a different way of screwing the actual light assembly into the roof thinking maybe those black little plastic things had to be on a certain side of the assembly but it didn't matter.
I have three switches and all of them do the same thing.
This all started when I tried installed an LED board type thing...I've since gone back to a regular bulb. None of the wires were ever cut...but I did blow a couple of fuses (the board's polarity was wrong).
Did I do something to the wiring?
Anyone have any solutions? I checked the interior fuse and it was fine.
I tried a different way of screwing the actual light assembly into the roof thinking maybe those black little plastic things had to be on a certain side of the assembly but it didn't matter.
I have three switches and all of them do the same thing.
This all started when I tried installed an LED board type thing...I've since gone back to a regular bulb. None of the wires were ever cut...but I did blow a couple of fuses (the board's polarity was wrong).
Did I do something to the wiring?
11-25-2008, 02:30 PM
#9
correct me if I'm wrong but I really don't think nissan protected their computer equipment very well. Well, I take that back. I guess they didn't take into account that a bunch of guys or girls would be sticking led's in their cars 10 years down the road. haha.
Ilyak, worst case scenario: you screwed up your BCM (body control module). If the relay's are fine inside, look under the hood to see if there are any relays labeled anything to do with the interior. my bet is the BCM tho.
Ilyak, worst case scenario: you screwed up your BCM (body control module). If the relay's are fine inside, look under the hood to see if there are any relays labeled anything to do with the interior. my bet is the BCM tho.
11-27-2008, 03:37 AM
#11
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My maplights stopped working. (fuses good)
So....... how do you know if a relay is bad?
damn leds got us all!
***UPDATE*** 12.30.08
My problem was solved by replacing the map light.
I have added leds to the new unit and it works great!
So....... how do you know if a relay is bad?
damn leds got us all!
***UPDATE*** 12.30.08
My problem was solved by replacing the map light.
I have added leds to the new unit and it works great!
Last edited by NameGoesHere; 12-30-2008 at 02:40 AM.
11-27-2008, 08:57 AM
#12
You apply pos and neg to the terminals, and then check for continuity accross the other 2 terminals. You should be able to tell by looking at the diagram on the relay to see which needs the current and which is the switch.
So we're blaming this problem on LEDs? Which LEDs? I have this same problem, and Ive got LEDs everywhere....
So we're blaming this problem on LEDs? Which LEDs? I have this same problem, and Ive got LEDs everywhere....
11-27-2008, 09:53 AM
#13
In my case I was trying to install the dome light LED's. It was like that board you can buy on Paradox-Systems. 24 or so little LED's and the wiring goes to a bulb type base which goes where the original bulb was.
I was told to splice extra wires into the power and ground, so I did that. Must have had them reversed cause I blew a fuse. And since then, it hasn't worked on auto.
I was told to splice extra wires into the power and ground, so I did that. Must have had them reversed cause I blew a fuse. And since then, it hasn't worked on auto.
11-27-2008, 10:24 AM
#14
In my case I was trying to install the dome light LED's. It was like that board you can buy on Paradox-Systems. 24 or so little LED's and the wiring goes to a bulb type base which goes where the original bulb was.
I was told to splice extra wires into the power and ground, so I did that. Must have had them reversed cause I blew a fuse. And since then, it hasn't worked on auto.
I was told to splice extra wires into the power and ground, so I did that. Must have had them reversed cause I blew a fuse. And since then, it hasn't worked on auto.
) and since then the auto feature doesnt work... BCM is the only thing we can blame?
11-27-2008, 01:27 PM
#17
How much they goin for? Can you get any BCM or does it have to be 98 or 99 in my case (I'm a 99). Would a 95-97 work? It seems like some of them have keyless entry and some don't...so I'd need a specific one right?
Last edited by IlyaK; 11-27-2008 at 02:09 PM.
11-27-2008, 05:11 PM
#18
Thats true. To be honest, I wouldnt be the one to accurately answer that. Leave that to pmohr or fanaticrockford.
11-27-2008, 09:36 PM
#20
and fuse 66 (15 amp) I think that one is under the hood. If those are OK then it could be the lighting switch, I think that is the switch that you adjust how bright your dash lights are.
11-27-2008, 09:51 PM
#23
As far as key ring and dome light go you are right if fuse was blown it would not work manually. The BCM controls the on/off operation. Too late at night for me to analyze but this info from the FSM may help.
Interior lamp timer operation
When interior lamp switch is in the “DOOR” position, BCM keeps interior lamp and ignition keyhole illumination on for about 30 seconds when:
driver’s door is unlocked while key is out of the ignition key cylinder,
unlock signal is supplied from multi-remote controller (Models with multi-remote control system),
key is withdrawn from ignition key cylinder while driver’s door is closed,
driver’s door is opened and then closed while ignition switch is not in the “ON” position.
The timer is canceled, and interior lamp and ignition keyhole illumination turn off when:
driver’s door is locked, or
ignition switch is turned “ON”.
Interior lamp timer operation
When interior lamp switch is in the “DOOR” position, BCM keeps interior lamp and ignition keyhole illumination on for about 30 seconds when:
driver’s door is unlocked while key is out of the ignition key cylinder,
unlock signal is supplied from multi-remote controller (Models with multi-remote control system),
key is withdrawn from ignition key cylinder while driver’s door is closed,
driver’s door is opened and then closed while ignition switch is not in the “ON” position.
The timer is canceled, and interior lamp and ignition keyhole illumination turn off when:
driver’s door is locked, or
ignition switch is turned “ON”.
11-27-2008, 10:00 PM
#24
Yes I think so. It could be a bad BCM or one of the signals going in to the BCM in not correct so the BCM does not respond properly. ......... I'm getting very sleepy too much turkey and beer, maybe I'l try and help tomorrow.
Last edited by Nopike; 11-27-2008 at 10:13 PM.
11-28-2008, 05:59 AM
#28
For test purpose you need to get at the red with white strip wire and jump it to ground. Trust me on this. This wire is accessible at the interior lamp switch, key hole or the BCM. Just take a jumper wire and connect it to any good ground and connect the other end to a bare area on the red with white strip wire. The keyhole lamp and interior lamp should turn on when you do this. If they do light up the problem is because you are not getting the correct signal from the BCM. That MAY indicate a faulty BCM.
If the keyhole and interior lamp do not light up when you jump the red with white stripe wire to ground the BCM is probably OK and something in your wiring is causing a problem.
Last edited by Nopike; 11-28-2008 at 06:37 AM.
11-28-2008, 07:03 AM
#29
Okay I'll test that.
Well...I had the dash taken apart today for something else and I didn't see anything near the keyhole with a red/white wire. There was one but it was going into the actual locking mechanism...not the light for the keyhole. I didn't touch it.
Where is the interior lamp switch? The one on the roof that I replaced? Ground that you say?
Well...I had the dash taken apart today for something else and I didn't see anything near the keyhole with a red/white wire. There was one but it was going into the actual locking mechanism...not the light for the keyhole. I didn't touch it.
Where is the interior lamp switch? The one on the roof that I replaced? Ground that you say?
Last edited by IlyaK; 11-28-2008 at 08:46 AM.
11-28-2008, 09:37 AM
#30
So here is what I found.
I took the dome light out. Completely disconnected it.
I then took the red/white wire and grounded it to the metal part of the sunroof. Immediately the key ring lit up.
HOWEVER....
Now the key ring is lit up ALWAYS (never goes off...door open, closed, doesn't matter). The dome light will always be on if I leave it in manual or auto. The only way to keep it off is to set it to completely off (right position if sitting in the back seat).
So...is it my BCM?
I took the dome light out. Completely disconnected it.
I then took the red/white wire and grounded it to the metal part of the sunroof. Immediately the key ring lit up.
HOWEVER....
Now the key ring is lit up ALWAYS (never goes off...door open, closed, doesn't matter). The dome light will always be on if I leave it in manual or auto. The only way to keep it off is to set it to completely off (right position if sitting in the back seat).
So...is it my BCM?
11-28-2008, 03:54 PM
#31
So here is what I found.
I took the dome light out. Completely disconnected it.
I then took the red/white wire and grounded it to the metal part of the sunroof. Immediately the key ring lit up.
HOWEVER....
Now the key ring is lit up ALWAYS (never goes off...door open, closed, doesn't matter). The dome light will always be on if I leave it in manual or auto. The only way to keep it off is to set it to completely off (right position if sitting in the back seat).
So...is it my BCM?
I took the dome light out. Completely disconnected it.
I then took the red/white wire and grounded it to the metal part of the sunroof. Immediately the key ring lit up.
HOWEVER....
Now the key ring is lit up ALWAYS (never goes off...door open, closed, doesn't matter). The dome light will always be on if I leave it in manual or auto. The only way to keep it off is to set it to completely off (right position if sitting in the back seat).
So...is it my BCM?
I'll look some more when I have more time.
11-28-2008, 05:09 PM
#32
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What do you mean by it could be the lighting switch?
The radio lights work fine and adjust with said switch, but the a/c control lights are completely gone no matter what, the display lights up, but the buttons dont. And the glove compartment/ash tray lights are both out.
Last edited by Eyce; 11-28-2008 at 05:28 PM.
11-28-2008, 08:58 PM
#33
negatory, 18 and 66 are good.
What do you mean by it could be the lighting switch?
The radio lights work fine and adjust with said switch, but the a/c control lights are completely gone no matter what, the display lights up, but the buttons dont. And the glove compartment/ash tray lights are both out.
What do you mean by it could be the lighting switch?
The radio lights work fine and adjust with said switch, but the a/c control lights are completely gone no matter what, the display lights up, but the buttons dont. And the glove compartment/ash tray lights are both out.
Eyce did you cut a Red with Blue stripe wire somewhere to connect a stereo or anything like that. If so that may be the problem. It's hard to tell but the only thing I can think of is that the circuit to the Glove box and ash tray light is broken some where. Sometimes people try to wire in aftermarket radios and cut wires to get power. Check for 12vdc power at the Red with Blue wire at the glove box lamp, you probably have 0VDC. You can try connecting that red/blue wire to anothr red/blue wire that does have power that may fix it, sorry but sometimes these problems get too complicated to explain and fix in this manner.
Last edited by Nopike; 11-28-2008 at 09:19 PM.
11-28-2008, 09:15 PM
#34
Yes, if I remove that ground wire the keyring and dome light go off (unless the dome is set to ON).
I'll have to start looking for a BCM.
11-28-2008, 09:25 PM
#35
That just showed that he wiring and the lamps there are OK, it could be the BCM or a signal going to the BCM that causes the keyring and domelight to be turned on the the BCM. Hang on.
11-28-2008, 09:34 PM
#36
Could be the BCM but do your best to check the following, all of these could effect the operation.
1) interior lamp switch
2)drivers door switch
3) ignition switch.
It would be easy for me to say BCM but I am not totally convinced. It's worth a try to change it to see if it fixes the problem but don't be surprised if it does not. This is a tough one, if something comes to me I'll let you guys know.
1) interior lamp switch
2)drivers door switch
3) ignition switch.
It would be easy for me to say BCM but I am not totally convinced. It's worth a try to change it to see if it fixes the problem but don't be surprised if it does not. This is a tough one, if something comes to me I'll let you guys know.
11-29-2008, 07:30 AM
#37
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Sorry it's getting a little confusing, I've got three people with what cound be three seperate problems in this thread.
Eyce did you cut a Red with Blue stripe wire somewhere to connect a stereo or anything like that. If so that may be the problem. It's hard to tell but the only thing I can think of is that the circuit to the Glove box and ash tray light is broken some where. Sometimes people try to wire in aftermarket radios and cut wires to get power. Check for 12vdc power at the Red with Blue wire at the glove box lamp, you probably have 0VDC. You can try connecting that red/blue wire to anothr red/blue wire that does have power that may fix it, sorry but sometimes these problems get too complicated to explain and fix in this manner.
Eyce did you cut a Red with Blue stripe wire somewhere to connect a stereo or anything like that. If so that may be the problem. It's hard to tell but the only thing I can think of is that the circuit to the Glove box and ash tray light is broken some where. Sometimes people try to wire in aftermarket radios and cut wires to get power. Check for 12vdc power at the Red with Blue wire at the glove box lamp, you probably have 0VDC. You can try connecting that red/blue wire to anothr red/blue wire that does have power that may fix it, sorry but sometimes these problems get too complicated to explain and fix in this manner.
