Ok I know that it has been asked many of times...and commented on many of times...but I would just like to point out all the benefits of swap the 2002 engine with the 4th gen engine. A lot of people say I would just rather put the 3K towards a supercharger than put in the 2k2 engine in the maxima with a 6spd. tranny which will cost around 5K-6K if you get all the electronics and buy it brand new. Because the horse power yeild won't be as great. And to the people that say that I would like to point out a few things

1) http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....002+1%2F4+mile
Check what times they are getting on a stock 6spd.

2) The 4th generation maxima will most like way about 600-800 less than the 5th gen 6spd. Therefore more get up and go.

3) The 2k2 engine has variable valve timing, which anyone that has driven a V-TEC engine can tell you it makes one heck of a difference in the higher RPMs.

4) You have a new engine or a used engine with under 20K on...which won't have any problem until quite a bit later.

5) If your have over 100K which I do, buying a supercharger would be fun and stuff, but I don't think my engine would last to much longer. I could maybe get to 200K and then I might have some problems.

6) And you can sell you maxima engine and pieces you have on it like the Y-pipe, CAI, UDP, engine, lighten flywheel if it doesn't fit on the new engine...to help pay for the 2k2 6-spd. Which helps out quite a bit.

7) I think if you look at the first answer I had that with dropping it in like a 95 or 96 which was like the lightest 4th gen you would be running easily in the 13's with the weight difference. And throw a few mods on and later down the road throw a super charger and you should easily be running 12's.

But this is just my take on it what do you guys think???

 

Would you be able to use mods again such as Y pipes etc? What I mean is since it will be a 5th gen engine in a 4th gen car does everything need to be custom made or would exhaust parts be changeable to adapt to thier new homes. Mainly things like Y pipes. I would love to see times on a 2k2 with a Y pipe when they are ready. Also is there enough room and clearence for the 2k2 engine? Or would you have to raise the hood height somhow?

SuDZ

 

Sounds like a plan to me. Who wants to be the 1st piggy to try this?

 

I don't have a problem doing it and I will actually do it once I have the money right now I'm just saving up my money...the second thing I need to double check is if it will actually fit in the engine bay which I don't fore see any troubles with that but you never know.

 

I think a 5th gen member already tried putting the 2k2 tranny into his 2K... and it wouldn't even start up. Something with the ECU being completely different.

And there's already enough differences between 4th gen and early 5th gen ECUs for them not to be compatible let alone a 4th gen and a 2k2 ECU.

Of course, since you're going all out, might as well get a whole new ECU... Of course... that's even more money and research... and you would probably need to know and be bedfellows with a Nissan tech...

 

I'm pretty sure there won't need to be any fabrication to make the engine fit but my friend and I are looking into it. The exhaust you shouldn't have any problems but with the y-pipe and the air intake you might but not too sure...I mean that is what is great about the stretchy rubbery band thingy (I don't know what you call it a flange???) that connects the CAI to the Throttle body should be able to be stretched enough to fit on the 2K2. =)

 

That is what I'm suggesting taking everything a swapping it like they do in hondas and acuras. I've been apart of several engine swaps on those four cylinders...and buying the computer harness with the engine and replacing it very difficult actually. But it might be a little more difficult on the Maxima, but I don't foresee any problems. But that is on my to do list when am able to get the fundage to do such a project...hopefully sometime next year.

 

Well ... if you can pull it off, we shall all to you.

 

 

Any guess's on how much a 4th Gen without the engine weights? How about the 5th gens?

That 3.5 liters gotta weigh a bit more then the VQ that we have.

 

yo i say go for it...where u located at anyway???if ur transplant goes successful...u can come do mine too...no sarcastic comments here...i'm all serious...

 

Spending 100,000 $?
wow.. that's a lot of money there
well if you do do it,
like he said, we will praise you

 

But my car is a 95' and weighs in at 2321 and the 2k2 maxima weighs in at 3224 so almost a 900 pound difference. I figure the new engine does weigh more by 100-200 lbs. but is most likely closer to the 100 lbs. mark, but not for sure. So I figure the engine is looking at pulling a car that weighs approximately 700-800 pounds less the the 5th generation Maxima. But if you take the 2000 5th generation SE which weighed in at 3199 your looking at the 3.5 engine only having less than a 50lb difference. Because it is the exact same body style the just replaced the drivetrain. So if we take that figure the 3.5 engine would be pulling a car that is 850 lbs lighter. Just my 2cents.

 

There's no way your 95' maxima weighs anywhere near 2321lbs. Try 3000-3100 lbs.

My 1972 Datsun 510 weighed about 2300lbs.

 

talking about miles...yeah sorry didn't specify.

 

I will double check but I swear that is what it said maybe it is and 8 rather than a 3 but I well double check on that. That is on thing that is motivating me to do it...plus I know probably in a year or 2 I might need a new engine...and I would rather buy a new engine that has more power potenial then have a supercharger I can't use if I do do an engine swap.

 

I will double check but I swear that is what it said maybe it is and 8 rather than a 3 but I well double check on that. That is on thing that is motivating me to do it...plus I know probably in a year or 2 I might need a new engine...and I would rather buy a new engine that has more power potenial then have a supercharger I can't use if I do do an engine swap. But I guess on the other side if I get an supercharger and my engine goes then I could always sell it here which I'm sure I could find some buyers and then do an engine swap.

 

How much money will it cost to do this whole thing?

 

brand new with the engine, tranny, and ECU I'm looking at around 6K-7K but I will be providing all the labor. And that is brand new...but I figure if I wait about a 6 months - 1 year I will be able to find all the parts in a junk yard for about 3-4K. So, that is one reason why I'm waiting to do and the other reason is I don't have the money right now...I just thought I would think out loud and see if people think I'm a complete moron. I'm just waiting til the summer or fall of next year to get started. If everything goes well at my job.

 

No need to double check, it doesn't weigh 2300 lbs. My 94 honda civic weihed 2500, and this was weighed, not some magazine number.

Good luck on the swap.

 

Funny how computerization has made the exchange of very similar engines in cars nearly impossible. If these were both cars made in the 1970s or even ealry eighties, this wouldn't be an issue. Oh well. You win some, you lose some.

DW

 

yeah, no way the 95 weighs 2300, it's more like 3000-3100 lbs

 

Other than the fact that your car weighs nearly as much as a brand new 5th gen I think your prices for brand new parts are WAY off. And It's tough to find engines, ecu's, trannies, etc. in junk yards for new cars. The insurance company makes more money parting it out. It has to be a complete total for the insurance company to not rebuild a new car. I wrecked a 4 month old accord with 14,000 miles on it. Broke my neck, split the bumper in half, etc. The car had to have a new front end welded on from about 8-12 inches in front of the windshield. Insurance said that they wouldn't total it if the engine still worked. I new it still worked because it never shut off until I took the key out.

Other than that Nissan replaced the 16 bit ECU with a 32 bit ECU in 97 or 98. That's why Jim Wolf doesn't have replacements for anything newer than '97.

 

Done yet? haha just kidding.