Headers and Y pipe or just Y pipe?
12-24-2010, 10:57 AM
#1
Headers and Y pipe or just Y pipe?
Hi guys,
I just bought a 97 Se slushbox. Looking to add a little power. Been searching the forums for awhile now, but can't find the answer I'm really looking for.
I know everyone does headers on these cars but does it really make any power difference?
I found a warpspeed Ypipe, how is the fitment on those? Do the o2 bungs need to be moved like the obx headers?
The plan for now is a Y pipe possibly headers, and a axle back then later down the road a b pipe. I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row so it all bolts up as I do it.
So will a warpspeed Y pipe bolt to a factory b pipe and factory headers? Will I throw a cel or do I need to space out any o2 sensors?
I love the sound of the stillen axle back but they aren't made anymore, who still makes and axle back exhaust that sounds throaty and isn't very loud?
Thanks for the help.
I just bought a 97 Se slushbox. Looking to add a little power. Been searching the forums for awhile now, but can't find the answer I'm really looking for.
I know everyone does headers on these cars but does it really make any power difference?
I found a warpspeed Ypipe, how is the fitment on those? Do the o2 bungs need to be moved like the obx headers?
The plan for now is a Y pipe possibly headers, and a axle back then later down the road a b pipe. I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row so it all bolts up as I do it.
So will a warpspeed Y pipe bolt to a factory b pipe and factory headers? Will I throw a cel or do I need to space out any o2 sensors?
I love the sound of the stillen axle back but they aren't made anymore, who still makes and axle back exhaust that sounds throaty and isn't very loud?
Thanks for the help.
Last edited by Gamble; 12-24-2010 at 01:16 PM.
12-24-2010, 11:21 AM
#2
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Y-pipes are fine as long as you want to get a nice bang for your buck and easy bolt up mod.
Warpspeed Y-Pipe fits fine, worked well for me, just make sure to get new OEM nissan gaskets.
No cel's will be given either.
Custom Maxima's catback has good reviews.
It seems as if you're modding on a budget and not that into performance, so the Y-pipe, and Custom Maxima catback seems logical from what I can barely gather from your post.
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Y-pipes are fine as long as you want to get a nice bang for your buck and easy bolt up mod.
Warpspeed Y-Pipe fits fine, worked well for me, just make sure to get new OEM nissan gaskets.
No cel's will be given either.
Custom Maxima's catback has good reviews.
It seems as if you're modding on a budget and not that into performance, so the Y-pipe, and Custom Maxima catback seems logical from what I can barely gather from your post.
12-24-2010, 11:57 AM
#3
People need to search..Quick Reply: Headers aren't power gainers for us 4th gen guys, a y-pipe is though. Warpspeed has perfect fitment and there's no need to relocate the O2 bungs.
As far as axlebacks no one really makes anything for us. You might as well get a CM/eBay catback if you're on a budget but it's not gonna sound good paired with the Warpspeed y-pipe.
12-24-2010, 01:15 PM
#4
People need to search..Quick Reply: Headers aren't power gainers for us 4th gen guys, a y-pipe is though. Warpspeed has perfect fitment and there's no need to relocate the O2 bungs.
As far as axlebacks no one really makes anything for us. You might as well get a CM/eBay catback if you're on a budget but it's not gonna sound good paired with the Warpspeed y-pipe.
I'm just looking for a little more hp. Figure intake/exhaust/tune. However you guys tune these things.
Hmm I looked at the custom maxima exhaust and it looks like a quality piece but I'm not looking for a fart can. I want a small tip. Something like the stillen.
Last edited by Gamble; 12-24-2010 at 01:23 PM.
12-24-2010, 02:13 PM
#5
As for the headers....
O'rly now? I would like some evidence to back that up.... I still <3 the Y-Pipe, but headers made a clear difference in my vehicle's every day performance. Same goes for those SSAUTOCHROME shorty headers, even those are better designed than the stock manifolds.
Is the custom maxima quiet? I have another car (dsm) and it's really loud, so I'm looking for something quiet and some sound when I get on it. Nothing crazy. If I can't figure something out I'll buy some piping and fab my own up for an axle back.
I'm just looking for a little more hp. Figure intake/exhaust/tune. However you guys tune these things.
Hmm I looked at the custom maxima exhaust and it looks like a quality piece but I'm not looking for a fart can. I want a small tip. Something like the stillen.
I'm just looking for a little more hp. Figure intake/exhaust/tune. However you guys tune these things.
Hmm I looked at the custom maxima exhaust and it looks like a quality piece but I'm not looking for a fart can. I want a small tip. Something like the stillen.
Intakes are mainly for sound.... and what an awesome sound they give. You do gain a little power by adding an intake but nothing the but dyno is going to pick up.
Last edited by aackshun; 12-24-2010 at 02:19 PM.
12-24-2010, 03:14 PM
#6
MrEous did a dyno with them and this was his opinion....
http://forums.maxima.org/2950443-post107.html
12-24-2010, 03:21 PM
#7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj9r62XlaJg
Paired with a y-pipe it's going to get extremely loud and raspy. If you want more power > sound just keep the stock catback and throw on the y-pipe.
As for the headers....
O'rly now? I would like some evidence to back that up.... I still <3 the Y-Pipe, but headers made a clear difference in my vehicle's every day performance. Same goes for those SSAUTOCHROME shorty headers, even those are better designed than the stock manifolds.
O'rly now? I would like some evidence to back that up.... I still <3 the Y-Pipe, but headers made a clear difference in my vehicle's every day performance. Same goes for those SSAUTOCHROME shorty headers, even those are better designed than the stock manifolds.
12-24-2010, 03:31 PM
#8
Maybe, but not by much. This was always a huge debate and ssautochrome/stone mountain refused to do a header only dyno. However there header y pipe combo yeilded similiar numbers to what orger were getting with a stock header/after market y pipe setup.
MrEous did a dyno with them and this was his opinion....
http://forums.maxima.org/2950443-post107.html
MrEous did a dyno with them and this was his opinion....
http://forums.maxima.org/2950443-post107.html
The CM catback alone isn't too loud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj9r62XlaJg
Paired with a y-pipe it's going to get extremely loud and raspy. If you want more power > sound just keep the stock catback and throw on the y-pipe.
I meant alone without a y-pipe lol The OP made it sound as if us 4th gen guys are just running around with headers only and no y-pipe. The 5.5/6th gen guys run those with catbacks usually. Leave the header argument outta here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj9r62XlaJg
Paired with a y-pipe it's going to get extremely loud and raspy. If you want more power > sound just keep the stock catback and throw on the y-pipe.
I meant alone without a y-pipe lol The OP made it sound as if us 4th gen guys are just running around with headers only and no y-pipe. The 5.5/6th gen guys run those with catbacks usually. Leave the header argument outta here
Lol, I see /header discussion.
12-24-2010, 07:07 PM
#9
Maybe, but not by much. This was always a huge debate and ssautochrome/stone mountain refused to do a header only dyno. However there header y pipe combo yeilded similiar numbers to what orger were getting with a stock header/after market y pipe setup.
MrEous did a dyno with them and this was his opinion....
http://forums.maxima.org/2950443-post107.html
MrEous did a dyno with them and this was his opinion....
http://forums.maxima.org/2950443-post107.html
I'll take a smooth powerband with say 2-5hp any day over one that makes peak 10hp. Does that make sense?
Deff not looking for a raspy sound. Not loud I mean something with slight rumble and doesn't drone out when on the highway. 90% of my driving is on the highway so I don't need all the noise, mainly because I have an infant in the back seat a few times a week and she doesn't need to be bothered by it.
I searched youtube for a long time but there isn't much on there for maximas, maybe I'm just used to the dsm scene where you can find damn near anything you want easily.
What do headers and Y pipe sound like on a stock exhaust? Something like a apex ws2 would be perfect, but it's grossly overpriced. The $600+ for that I could use on the dsm so I can reach my 600hp goal. I don't have any goals for the maxima, just a fun reliable and quick daily.
12-24-2010, 08:38 PM
#11
This link is fail. 2whp gain, the common misconception with looking at dyno graphs is people tend to look at peak hp gain when it doesn't really mean much.
I'll take a smooth powerband with say 2-5hp any day over one that makes peak 10hp. Does that make sense?
Deff not looking for a raspy sound. Not loud I mean something with slight rumble and doesn't drone out when on the highway. 90% of my driving is on the highway so I don't need all the noise, mainly because I have an infant in the back seat a few times a week and she doesn't need to be bothered by it.
I searched youtube for a long time but there isn't much on there for maximas, maybe I'm just used to the dsm scene where you can find damn near anything you want easily.
What do headers and Y pipe sound like on a stock exhaust? Something like a apex ws2 would be perfect, but it's grossly overpriced. The $600+ for that I could use on the dsm so I can reach my 600hp goal. I don't have any goals for the maxima, just a fun reliable and quick daily.
I'll take a smooth powerband with say 2-5hp any day over one that makes peak 10hp. Does that make sense?
Deff not looking for a raspy sound. Not loud I mean something with slight rumble and doesn't drone out when on the highway. 90% of my driving is on the highway so I don't need all the noise, mainly because I have an infant in the back seat a few times a week and she doesn't need to be bothered by it.
I searched youtube for a long time but there isn't much on there for maximas, maybe I'm just used to the dsm scene where you can find damn near anything you want easily.
What do headers and Y pipe sound like on a stock exhaust? Something like a apex ws2 would be perfect, but it's grossly overpriced. The $600+ for that I could use on the dsm so I can reach my 600hp goal. I don't have any goals for the maxima, just a fun reliable and quick daily.
Honestly if your not looking to gain any big numbers from the Max, why not just leave it as it is then? Especially since your looking for the quietest setup out there.
I agree 600+ may be a bit high, but the market for Maximas isnt as great as the DSM you refrenced so name brand parts will normally be higher for these vehicles since the demand isnt as great.
Last edited by Flava_24/7; 12-24-2010 at 08:41 PM.
12-25-2010, 12:13 AM
#12
Deff not looking for a raspy sound. Not loud I mean something with slight rumble and doesn't drone out when on the highway. 90% of my driving is on the highway so I don't need all the noise, mainly because I have an infant in the back seat a few times a week and she doesn't need to be bothered by it.
I searched youtube for a long time but there isn't much on there for maximas, maybe I'm just used to the dsm scene where you can find damn near anything you want easily.
What do headers and Y pipe sound like on a stock exhaust?
I searched youtube for a long time but there isn't much on there for maximas, maybe I'm just used to the dsm scene where you can find damn near anything you want easily.
What do headers and Y pipe sound like on a stock exhaust?
I have a clip on YouTube I believe with just my Warpspeed y-pipe and stock catback but it's a terrible vid. I believe the flex section was leaking and I also had a hole in the muffler. I've heard other 4th gens though with headers/y-pipe and a stock catback and it wasn't much louder than stock with a tiny bit more rasp. Some people even get the 5th gen mufflers which would be a good alternative to a fart can or the stock 4th gen muffler.
12-25-2010, 01:23 AM
#13
Wrong like always. People seem to forget that the collectors make a difference look at these 2 pics for instance.
Stock
Aftermarket
Aftermarket headers always yield more power because without them your y-pipe is basically receiving the same exhaust flow the stock y-pipe receives. All IMO of course since this argument continues on this forum for over 10 years.
Gamble if you got a good deal on the warpspeed just get that for now headers yield about 10 more hp and if your not looking for every ounce of hp out of this car, which I assume your not after meeting you, then your fine just with the y-pipe. And its a straight forward fitment.
Stock
Aftermarket
Aftermarket headers always yield more power because without them your y-pipe is basically receiving the same exhaust flow the stock y-pipe receives. All IMO of course since this argument continues on this forum for over 10 years.
Gamble if you got a good deal on the warpspeed just get that for now headers yield about 10 more hp and if your not looking for every ounce of hp out of this car, which I assume your not after meeting you, then your fine just with the y-pipe. And its a straight forward fitment.
12-25-2010, 08:35 AM
#14
Well I'm not looking for any mods anytime soon, maybe spring time, so I am just planning ahead.
If anyone has a sound clip of stock exhaust with y pipe and sound clip of stock exhaust with y pipe and headers that would be great.
I'm auto btw.
If anyone has a sound clip of stock exhaust with y pipe and sound clip of stock exhaust with y pipe and headers that would be great.
I'm auto btw.
12-27-2010, 10:43 AM
#15
Thats a 5th gen mani not 4th gen. The collectors are in the ypipe vs them being in the right after the manifold like in the 5th gen.................
12-27-2010, 10:56 AM
#16
Sure that isn't the stock fed spec 4th gen collector, but they are just as godawful.
/header discussion please, we're getting off topic the OP is clearly not interested in doing headers.
12-27-2010, 11:25 AM
#17
I was just correcting a correction.
and really im not being that OT. The poster to those pics are clearly trying to point out the restriction of the "5th gen manifold" when clearly it is not. And a 4th gen mani isnt even the same design.
Like i said before im just correcting a correction...............
01-01-2011, 10:02 PM
#24
GREAT SIDE BY SIDE PICS BRO! Ive been wondering for quite awhile now if the flanges of the oem/aftermarket headers/y were located the same way. Some people claimed they had to have the flanges turned to mate up.
01-01-2011, 10:12 PM
#28
With the y pipe is where you feel the difference. Headers practically do next to nothing for the 3.0 unless you're boosted; which is why I was asking if you wanted to sell em. Ill be boosted pretty soon 
Last edited by VQ'rInWLA; 01-02-2011 at 09:18 AM.
01-01-2011, 10:19 PM
#29
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headers and y pipe no muffler.
Sorry I was sea fomeing it. http://static.photobucket.com/player...2-03140631.mp4 ill post more video with the muffler in at bit
01-02-2011, 08:56 AM
#33
For lolz....
This is what it sounds like w/ no catback on Long tube headers.
And I don't know who said you don't make gains N/A 3.0 w/ headers.... They are wrong.
Very wrong.
Even those short CM Headers are better than stock, dub maxi's pic CLEARLY shows the seperated runners which are MUCH better then the stock ones.
And since there is already a comparison of stock vs. CM Headers, here is a pic showing stock vs. OBX 3.5...
This is what it sounds like w/ no catback on Long tube headers.
And I don't know who said you don't make gains N/A 3.0 w/ headers.... They are wrong.
Very wrong.
Even those short CM Headers are better than stock, dub maxi's pic CLEARLY shows the seperated runners which are MUCH better then the stock ones.
And since there is already a comparison of stock vs. CM Headers, here is a pic showing stock vs. OBX 3.5...
Last edited by aackshun; 01-02-2011 at 08:59 AM.
01-02-2011, 05:13 PM
#36
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Well this video is shorty headers and y pipe stock cat back on a cold star not much difference in sound with stock cat back just more power. http://static.photobucket.com/player...1-02105457.mp4
01-02-2011, 05:31 PM
#38
Well this video is shorty headers and y pipe stock cat back on a cold star not much difference in sound with stock cat back just more power. http://static.photobucket.com/player...1-02105457.mp4
If you have an intake, the intake will be louder than your exhaust... Hell my intake is still louder than my catback.
The stock muffler does it's job very well, cancelling out sound via the double reverse flow system. if you lose the muffler or replace it you'll gain some volume there.
Last edited by aackshun; 01-02-2011 at 05:34 PM.
