drkblumaxima

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I cant figure out what is wrong with my car. It is running on 5 cylinders and i checked the engine light codes and have fixed/replaced the problems it says but it still runs like crap. The only code its throwing the last time i checked it was a Misfire in #2 Cylinder which i checked and that isnt the problem. I am starting to think its a electrical problem or something because every now and then the temp gauge needle would randomly go up and down. Any input on this will be appreciated.


If anyone knows a good mechanic that gives good prices and is familiar with maximas please lmk. I am wanting for some one to come take a look at it or maybe i can drop the car off so they can try and figure out the problem/fix it

njmaxseltd

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Car's running on 5 cylinders, ECU is telling you it's a #2 misfire.
What exactly did you check and how did you check it?

Usually a misfire is caused by a coil pack, did you swap them around or change the #2 coil pack? Did you check the fuel injector on #2? Have you pulled and looked at the #2 spark plug?

cashoit

Listen man,

U dont really need to find a mechanic that knows maximas, cuz we do. All the mech needs to be able to do is fix what we tell u to fix.

If the CEL is on and tellin u its cylinder #2 then u got an issue. U have to test the CPS per FSM first and make sure thats working properly.

Clean TB and MAF per how tos. Throw some chevron techron in the fuel tank.

Here is the cylinder config, jus to make sure we on the same page:

firewall

1 3 5

2 4 6

front bumper

Check cylinder 2 plug, ignition coil, and fuel injector, and coil harness.

If none of that is the problem, then u will need to complete a compression test on the cylinder for make sure valves havent bent somehow.

Report back after u try fixes

drkblumaxima

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I checked the coil packs by swaping them out and checked the fuel injectors by unplugging them while the car was running didnt help me find the problem. I put new spark plugs in it and i also cleaned the IACV and throttle body but not the EGR valve. I will try and clean that next. The compression test is a idea i havent thought of and need to check out. What should the compression on all cylinders read out?

c_elliott

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These are some good tips im actually in your same position only mine is cyl 5.

Codes are popping for cyl 5, knock sensor, and p1320. My confusion with the 1320 is people keep telling me that the cps will cause a multiple misfire, not just 1 cyl.

And people keep saying dont worry about the knock because it only tripping because of the mis.

I havent check the injector yet because i have limited time to work on it. During the day.

If it is the injector how can i check that without removing the intake? Will the plug be dry if its not working?

I have checked plugs. I put new ones in on saturday.

Coil. I put a new one in saturday. I even swapped the coil from cyl 3 to 5 and still the problem stays with cyl 5. I even switched the plugs around thinking maybe i got a bad one.

I did lucas and filled it up with premium.

With every little thing i do it will seem to get better until i drive it for a few minutes then the shaking at stand still and idle sputter coke right back.

Sorry to bombard your thread. Im just like you trying to figure this thing out before i say screw it and get rid of it.

drkblumaxima

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Thats pretty much what i have going on but not the same cylinder... I replaced my knock sensor though cause that was one of the codes the ecu was throwing and also my O2 sensor......

c_elliott

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Ive never had a confusing problem like this before with any car. Im about to throw it on craigslist for whatever i can get for it and move on away from maxes

njmaxseltd

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Check all 6 cylinders.
Swap a known good coil w/each front bank and see if anything changes.
Repeat the same for the rear bank.

Drive the car for a day after the swap. If nothing changes, put that coil back in and move the known good one over to the next cylinder.

The VQ isn't anything special, basic fuel injected engine with coil on plug setup.
You need spark, air and fuel in order for it to operate correctly.

Lets rule out air, now we're down to 2 items to check, the fuel injector or the coil pack.
There are 6 of each. A test light will show you if you have the signal to fire them.
It that's present, your now down to the device itself.

A basic test to tell if a fuel injector is working is to hold a long screwdriver against your ear and touch it to the injector. You will hear the injector pulse through the screwdriver into your ear. It's working...

Coils can be tricky, they may measure out OK with an ohm meter but still not fire correctly. The stalk can have corrosion up near where the spring meets the actual coil. If corrosion is present, clean that area up and see if the problem stops. Swapping them out with a known good coil may take some time, but you will find the bad one when your all finished.

Any mechanic can work on a Maxima, the VQ engine isn't anything special.

asand1

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Did you recheck the codes after swapping yor coil? did the miss follow the coil or stay at #2?

Did the RPM drop when you unplugged #2 injector. If not # 2 is in fact daed for some reason.

You can ignore ALL SENSORS for now as thay would affect ALL cylinders and will only complicate the diagnosis.

1. Determine which cyl is dead by unplugging coils/injectors one at a time, listem for rpm drop to indicate functional cylinder.

2. Determine offending part by swapping. Miss will follow bad part (coil/plug/injector).

3. Perform compression/leakdown test to check rings and valves.

drkblumaxima

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Yeah rececked codes and still saying #2.... I unplugged all injectors and the rpm/engine would bog down more... I am going to recheck all the ignition coils this weekend and try and do a compression test to see if there is any sign of internal damage. Is there a possibility that the ecu is bad or have a short?

K-Ryder

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Simple fix you need to change the valve cover gaskets and also spark plug cylinder gaskets. I bet that's your problem reason being the oil can be seeping into the cylinders which cause a misfire code. If you checked your plugs when it happen or now you will see it drenched in oil. And even if you changed all the injectors, plugs, and coil packs you will still get the code. Your car will also store freeze frame data in the ECU that will pin point whats causing the problem when you scan it with a scantool. How do I know all of this, I am a mechanic and this problem is currently happening to my 97 Maxima. So change the seals, the car is old, so seals and gaskets deteriorate eventually.

cashoit

EGR got nuttin to do with misfire. Has anyone worked on the car intake manifold lately or anythin else? Whats the history w/ tha car?

if u unplugged injector or coil #2 and nothing changed with engine, then that is broken.

If u unplug either coil or injector, the car should bog down. If it doesnt, that means the coil or injector is already broken and u found problem.

joseph.mcgowen

i am also am having this problem its been happening for a month now it's had me stumped and i had checked everything that would make it miss and could not figure it out finally i did my plugs again and realized there was a little bit of oil on the plug so it made me feel like an idiot once i figured it out an now i have the gasket kit on order

c_elliott

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No oil on my plugs. Only thing left to check is the injector for cyl 5. I wish there was a easier way to get to it.

drkblumaxima

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The valve cover gasket is leaking from the outside but as far as the inside goes i will check the spark plugs and check it out. If thats seems to be the problem i will change it out and reset the computer.

FallenOne

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I literally see every answer acceptable for the MULTIPLE Misfire Issues at Hand. If your issue Isn't resolved by one of these methods, d00d yer doin it wrong.


:matt93se:

There I fixed it for you.

njmaxseltd

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Valve cover gaskets and spark plug tube seals have absolutely nothing to do with the cylinders. What seals the cylinders is the head gasket.
And your a mechanic?

Yes, oil can leak into the spark plug tube channel through the seals, but he never said any coil stalks or plugs came out with any oil on them.

drkblumaxima

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Exactly there was no oil on the coil stalks or plugs

I am really leaning on fuel injector is my problem cause i had the same problem about a year or 2 ago and replaced the injector problem went away.About 6 months ago i got bad gas from a texaco so it ran on 5 cylinders. I drove it like that for a couple days to drain the tank and refilled with some good 93 problem went away..... Then came back about a month ago so..........

cashoit

u try running some chevron techron? That stuff work wonders

c_elliott

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I put lucas along with premium gas in mine because the autozone guy said it works.

Is it ok to put techron in it aswell or should i wait until my next fill up?

cashoit

lucas oil crap. AZ guys told me to use it too and i did. My car ran like crap the entire tank of gas. Threw some chevron in that bish...issues cleared up.

Run the chevron on yur next fillup.

asand1

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Hot oil deteriorates the plug boots and the spark arks to the tube. This results in a dead cylinder. His post seemed pretty obvious to me. Sounds like its not the issue here though.

K-Ryder

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Spark plug tube channel, so what if I said the wrong term big deal but you understand my point. Yes but he's done everything else and he's still getting the code. If he's getting power from each coilpack and the injectors are running fine.


Then what else would be the problem. Did you ever do that compression test yet. Could have a burned exhaust valve.

drkblumaxima

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I am going to do the compression test this weekend and get some Chevron gas put in it. Many people are telling me to try and put seafoam in the gas and should help if it is a clogged injector. Any input or experiences with putting seafoam in the gas tank?

K-Ryder

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I've used Marvel Mystery Oil. Old guys swear by it. I've never used Seafoam before so I wouldnt know.

drkblumaxima

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I have bent valves fml!!!!! Can here a taping in the head when i rev just under 3krpm.... Cant tell where exactly its coming from but i do know its a bent valve...any idea on how much getting a head resurfaced and new valves in will cost?

joseph.mcgowen

well i do have a little oil on my plug, coil stalk so will changing the valve cover gasket and spark plug tube seals solve my problem? if not what what will because ive tried all of the above and i ordered the valve cover gasket set already

K-Ryder

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You sure its the valves and not the timing chain rattle. Or maybe you're low on oil. If its bent you would need to have it replaced.

Boothers96

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Not sure if it helps but Ive had "sticky" injectors before. Cyl 4 injector (thank god in the front) would "stick" closed ocassionally causing cyl 4 to die. couple taps on that bish from a screwdriver and shed b smooth as silk. ran some lucas thru it and hasnt done it since. also i find the best way to test injectors, would be ohm testing them, 10-14 ohms. and for rear ones tap on them first.....could b sticky...lol

cashoit

First off, are u sure u have bent valves? Have u completed compression test?

If your compression is off in one of your cylinders, i suggest replacing the engine with a low miles used engine. Dont try fixin that...it will be easier and less headache to jus replace the engine.

Something caused your compression to be off. So on top of fixing the compression issue, you also need to figure out what caused the compression issue in the first place and fix that as well.

It aint worth it. Jus replace the engine and be done with it.

K-Ryder

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Its true because the amount of work that is done to replace valves you're better off paying for a used engine and dropping it in. Parts and labor will have you crapping your pants.

aackshun

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How come I am just now finding out about this? We (local houstonians) could have diagnosed this within a matter of minutes if you would have posted this in the LOCAL forum....

Come to conn's @ westhiemer and hwy 6 tonight around 10pm, a few of us will be out there and we'll get to the bottom of it (bring a compression tester, rent one @ AZ).

No disrespect, but HOW SURE are you that you have a bent valve? A lot of people thing that VQ's have bent valves because of a noisy timing chain and loud clickity clacking injectors....

cashoit

Yo aack man...

If the kid is local hook him up .

aackshun

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We can! Easily, we'll do a tranny swap in a parking lot in 1.5hrs in the dark... among other on the spot max repairs we've done.

TravisCadello

are you sure its bent valves? could be hearing a noise cause that cyl is not firing.

when i got my car it was running on 4 cyls changed all coil packs around no luck compression was good next thought their was a short finally something told me to replace the ecu. well that was the problem theirs resistors inside the ecu for each one of the coil packs and if one burns out that cyl will never fire.



let me know I'm pretty close to you and have all my tools and love working on the VQ's.

Amerikaner83

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Travis -

I think that OP has had his issue fixed, since the last post was from May. Just sayin' :-)

TravisCadello

LOL, that or he's still on 5 cylinders saving up for the head work lol.

Amerikaner83

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HAHA true enough :-)