ok ill try to post this again. I have a 97 GLE that i have done a 5 speed swap on. Everything is done. The dash is still out but everything else is still out i have bypassed the P/N safety switch by wiring them together and by running them to the P/N safety switch in the car located on the clutch. In both scenarios my car would not crank.... stutter.... click..... call me names or any of the above.... I am stuck and have no idea where to go. i am going to attempt to jump the car off the starter tomorrow and see if i am having a wiring issue. but i was wanting more advice on what to check. is there anything in the dash that would keep the car from starting i.e air bags a safety switch?? also i dont know if it will make a difference but i recently swapped the old 3.0 out for an 00 3.0 and the 5 speed i am using is out of a 97. i dont think that would hurt anything but not 100% sure. And advice is helpful

 

Here are the starter wiring diagrams for the 2 transmission types. What I would try first would be to pull the inhibitor relay out (AT schematic) and put a jumper in pins 6 & 7. The inhibitor relay is in front of the battery.

 

If the starter operates with pins 6-7 jumpered per Dennis above, that will prove that your ignition switch and starter are OK. Note from the schematics provided that the theft inhibitor relay is also in the starting circuit for both manual and auto; looks like the BCM puts a ground on it to operate the relay and prevent the starter from operating when Theft system is triggered. Make sure it is still hooked up and not triggered; with the key turned to start you should see 12V at the input to the inhibitor/clutch interlock relay.

 

so basically if i can jump the starter ignition switch per the inhibitor relay then my starter and ignition is fine which would mean i have bad grounds and or other wiring problems??

 

jump the starter first, it dosent sound like you have yet, take it one step at a time we'll get this sorted out

 

well after arriving to my friends garage to work on my car i find it sitting in a puddle of gear oil and at 15 bucks a quart i found my self more frustrated than i was before!!!! i talked to her before i quit working on her last sunday and told her id get her running again and she would feel so much better with a fully working 5 speed instead of that old auto and this is how she repays me??? lol had to say that

 

I did this long ago, just to bypass the clutch inhibitor. One is the inhibitor relay, the other is the Cruise control. Follow the stickied "Cruise Control always on" mod. It is the same type relay, and they are right next to each other. IMO, If this works for you, just leave it this way and dont worry about the rest of the wiring. I like the freedom to reach in and start my car while working on it, without having to press the clutch pedal.

 

ok so itried to jump these relays together from 6 to 7 and there was nothing no crank or attempt to turn over.. with that being tried i think hopped the starter ignition wire of onto the positive battery terminal and the car cranked and started but the p/n saftey switch on the trans was jumped and the relay was also jumped not sure which direction to head in next???? any suggestions

 

Check for:
12v at #6 with the key in the START position.
12V at #1 with the key in the RUN position.
Continuity to ground at #2 with the clutch pedal depressed.
Continuity between #7 and starter solenoid #1.

I cant see how you have the P/N switch bypassed and hooked to the clutch pedal. What I would do is jump #1 and #2 on the P/N switch, and leave the clutch pedal out of the equation.

Use the first image, and using MS Paint show us the connections and cuts you have made.

 

i followed hlh0501 he has a write up on the full 5 speed swap. i took the plug of the front of the trans. there are three i used the nly one with 2 wires and tied them together. this didnt work so i untied them and wired them to the clutch pedal switch it didnt work. when i pulled the relay out as you shown it is different from the pic but i still jumped 6 to 7 and no luvk. the only way the car started was by running a wire from the starter straight to the positive battery terminal

 

If you want your clutch interlock functional this is what you should have.



If you don't really care about the clutch pedal, make the jump in red. OR you could do the green or blue jump, green being a jumper from 6 to 7 and blue being from #6 straight to the starter.

 

is these my only other options???? i am still not understanding why it will not start what is keeping me from starting

 

You need to take pics and show us. I'm 5 speed and don't know the location of the on switch. You might have been messing with the wrong wires. Pay attention to colors on the diagram.

 

ok so now i feel like a complete DUMBASS!!!! come to find out one of my buddys had hid the wire for the starter and when i asked him is everything hooked up he said yea i have it taken care of so i never once thought to check it till now.. got mad and slung a few things and saw the random wire running behind the block pulled it out and realized ... Hey thats for the starter... pluged it up and cranked it over first time.... THANK GOD

 

Isn't it amazing how some dumb little detail will cause so much grief and misery? You looked closely, you saw the problem and problem solved. Good show! Happy shifting.

 

Worst part is is i was like how can i strip down a full 00 3.0 rebuild it from ground up put it in and it start first try but do a trans swap in 2 days and take a hole week to start it due to one plug!!! i was honestly ready to say screw it and put the auto back glad i didn't!!! I should have checked it regardless of what he said but on a simple plug you would think they had it under control guess not lol but thanks to everyone for the help and hints as to how i could fix it the wiring diagrams were extremely helpful... Now i just need to break the clutch in and prepare for BOOST... Yea yet another boosted 4thgen but hey why not