I was wonderin what the lowest you have seen these in the 17x8 size? Cause I was lookin around and the best I found was 199 per wheel. Any help would be appreciated.

 

These wheels look great but perform better.
There doesn't seem to much of discount on these anywhere.
But they are still a deal. Hell -people pay upwards of $700 for stock 16 inchers.
Good stuff I tell ya.

 

perform well? how well? how much do they weigh?

 

Feel much lighter thatn the stock 16" wheel.
I put 235/45 -17 Potenza's and it tottaly transformed the car. You can crank the wheel at 45mph and it will tottaly slice up a 90 degree turn. Cloverleaves and exits ramps at 80+ are a breeze. Just hold on - The cars limits are way above other traffic, not to mention the competition. Very stable.
Also I have a couple of bars on the car which help with balance.
Many 17" are similar in performance, but these take the great looks of the stock Max and increase it, in addition to enhancing the fun.
MANY compliments on them as well. Nice fat spoke's look meaty, yet still retain the classy refined look.
Good stuff.. really.

 

thanks for the input. I might get them in the near future.

 

one last question. What is the difference between the Es and the Borbet Cs? Because I saw that the Cs were much cheaper.

 

Francis has 17" Borbet Type Es on his 96 Max and he's told me they are much heavier than his stockers. He said his Max is a bit slower with the larger wheels.

Remember that even if the wheels weigh nearly the same as the stockers, the weight is now further out on the rim making it harder for the engine to turn the wheels. Your car will be slower. This is the same exact reason I'm going with a set of superlight 16s vs my 17s.

Dave

 

yep....they are approximately the same weight as the 97+ SE wheels but more weight is distributed further from the center of the car, thus the moment of inertia is much more (i=mr^2). they make the car look very clean though, nothing flashy, very tasteful, IMHO.

If i was to do it all over again i would go with some lightweight 16" wheels....

 

at what point is the car slower? Should I wait to get em.

 

I don't know if I quite understand the question. At all speeds, acceleration is gonna be slower because of the weight of the wheel and the placement of the weight on the wheel. You'll feel most of the sluggishness right at takeoff. If you're concerned about acceleration, then larger wheels probably isn't the best thing to buy (unless you're gonna get some ultra lightweight Volk's or something). I'm more concerned about handling and acceleration now vs "looking" good. 17s look awesome on the Max. Lightweight 16s are optimal for handling, acceleration, and decently good looks. 16s will only look good if you've got some lowering springs. Also to make the 16s appear bigger, you need to find ones with thin spokes. I can't wait to see what my K1s will look like.

Overtime, I came to realize that what's the point of spending $300 to be .3 seconds quicker when the 17" wheels are gonna negate the benefits of the added hp? But listen, I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm a "performance" guy and you might be a "looks" guy. I just want to inform you of the good and bad when adding aftermarket wheels.

Dave

 

Can you put cross drilled rotors on a 16 rim?

 

Sure, but you don't need cross drilled rotors. Most on the counter cross drilled rotors are for looks only and they aren't engineered well. They won't perform like you think they will. Cross drilled rotors don't stop any faster, but they will reduce brake fade. I doubt you'll experience any fade unless you plan on slamming your brakes 7 times in a row from 70mph. Cross drilling rotors will also warp easier and they will probably crack. If you autocross A LOT then get some very nice quality expensive BAER cross drilled rotors ($700), but if you don't what's the point? Just get some nice brake pads, paint your calipers, and save some money.

Dave

 

anyone got pics of their max with Borbet Type E's?

 

go to http://www.tirerack.com

you can see what your car will look like with different rims.

 

thanks for the info dave.