Finally...poorman´s torque brace, success!!
That one was decent though. I had one before the NWP (which I sold) and it did help. It was designed somewhat like Aaron's unlike this one that's just a bracket bolted between the mount and chassis.
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Even when thowing manure at people, you need to check your spelling boy. Now...Back to the crap talk...
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OP: Your ‘mod’ is not all that ill conceived despite what all the unhelpful Debbie Downers say. What no one has said [in a non-douchie/personable manner] is that, the stiffness that you are [most likely] feeling is closer to the ‘stock feel’. Thus simple replacement of the bushing is all that is necessary to accomplish what you have done.
The discrepancy here is over why/if you have felt an improvement and the viability of your ‘modification’. If you did in fact lesson the torque movement of the engine, it is most likely a result of recompressing the old bushing. (Compressing an old bushing of that type will expand its effective diameter and slightly ‘stiffen’ the bushing. Doing so will also assist in wearing it out.) This very simple explanation has seemingly been overlooked by all of those who replied. Perhaps it was skipped in favor of flaming you; I do not presume to understand which is the case.
To everyone else: I get it guys, I definitely spent my share of time flaming noobs, but at what point is someone going to help this guy? Most of us learned from asking questions, reading, and implementing ideas (whether marketed products or backyard DIY). That said, instead of flaming him, is it too much to ask that one person help the guy understand or help him improve his idea? I am sure you can get over the grievous insult that his design is the “same as NWP’s”.
OP: As stated previous you must revise one major aspect to accomplish your goal (assuming that goal is to stiffen the stock engine dampening). The rubber bushing itself needs to be replaced with a less compressive material. Otherwise what you have is not only ineffective but will not last.
The reason some were ‘offended’ was your implication as to the purpose of NWP’s product. (It is not simply to stiffen the engine.) Where their product does lesson the movement of the engine, it is also adjustable. This makes it somewhat unique and much different than what you have done. (Personally I think their brace is a touch overrated since you are solving one issue and causing another.) That said, good on them for producing something viable and marketing it.
Alternatively, you can make a solid mount much cheaper than NWP’s torque link, at a much lower cost, if that is truly what you are after. It would be as easy as using your basic concept, stiffening that brace, using a hardened bolt, and adding a couple home made solid bushings. There are many routes you could take so if you would like to seriously look in to them, let us/me know.
Are we all calm now?
The discrepancy here is over why/if you have felt an improvement and the viability of your ‘modification’. If you did in fact lesson the torque movement of the engine, it is most likely a result of recompressing the old bushing. (Compressing an old bushing of that type will expand its effective diameter and slightly ‘stiffen’ the bushing. Doing so will also assist in wearing it out.) This very simple explanation has seemingly been overlooked by all of those who replied. Perhaps it was skipped in favor of flaming you; I do not presume to understand which is the case.
To everyone else: I get it guys, I definitely spent my share of time flaming noobs, but at what point is someone going to help this guy? Most of us learned from asking questions, reading, and implementing ideas (whether marketed products or backyard DIY). That said, instead of flaming him, is it too much to ask that one person help the guy understand or help him improve his idea? I am sure you can get over the grievous insult that his design is the “same as NWP’s”.
OP: As stated previous you must revise one major aspect to accomplish your goal (assuming that goal is to stiffen the stock engine dampening). The rubber bushing itself needs to be replaced with a less compressive material. Otherwise what you have is not only ineffective but will not last.
The reason some were ‘offended’ was your implication as to the purpose of NWP’s product. (It is not simply to stiffen the engine.) Where their product does lesson the movement of the engine, it is also adjustable. This makes it somewhat unique and much different than what you have done. (Personally I think their brace is a touch overrated since you are solving one issue and causing another.) That said, good on them for producing something viable and marketing it.
Alternatively, you can make a solid mount much cheaper than NWP’s torque link, at a much lower cost, if that is truly what you are after. It would be as easy as using your basic concept, stiffening that brace, using a hardened bolt, and adding a couple home made solid bushings. There are many routes you could take so if you would like to seriously look in to them, let us/me know.
Are we all calm now?
So.. has anyone checked the strength of the mount bracket in their cars yet? I believe more than one person said that mount is there mainly for support anyways, meaning it is probably not that strong.. Sometimes the flaming is okay but this seems a little ridiculous... Either let it die or try it out and say "It did nothing".
People put braces under the fender in a "strong" and "solid" part of the body of the car and yet they still help? Any addition of sturdy material is going to help at a stress point. 3mm of movement could mean losing some pep. Chill TF out. You don't like it? Ban me. I've given to the org and taken plenty. Comparing it to NWP was not correct, but I DO THINK that if your engine is violently shaking then that bracket is going to flex. If you disagree, maybe you should research what a strut bar does.. connects frame to frame.. yet still serves a purpose?
Until one of you tries it, I'm in the support of the CONTRIBUTING MEMBER. Way to really support our fellow upcoming .orgers guys.
People put braces under the fender in a "strong" and "solid" part of the body of the car and yet they still help? Any addition of sturdy material is going to help at a stress point. 3mm of movement could mean losing some pep. Chill TF out. You don't like it? Ban me. I've given to the org and taken plenty. Comparing it to NWP was not correct, but I DO THINK that if your engine is violently shaking then that bracket is going to flex. If you disagree, maybe you should research what a strut bar does.. connects frame to frame.. yet still serves a purpose?
Until one of you tries it, I'm in the support of the CONTRIBUTING MEMBER. Way to really support our fellow upcoming .orgers guys.
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LoL yeah... just bothers me I guess.
Story - We had someone here at work flaming others for not knowing substrate type of a broken wafer. I decided to find out conclusively whether it was GaAs or Si. I calculated density in g/mm3 down to the nanogram and found out it was, contrary to the flamer (and my own assumption), GaAs and not Si. We eventually found out where it came from.
Do we seek truth or the assuagement of our egos?
Story - We had someone here at work flaming others for not knowing substrate type of a broken wafer. I decided to find out conclusively whether it was GaAs or Si. I calculated density in g/mm3 down to the nanogram and found out it was, contrary to the flamer (and my own assumption), GaAs and not Si. We eventually found out where it came from.
Do we seek truth or the assuagement of our egos?
I have to agree with CallMeThatOneGuy and adroitcaptor. There's no reason to go after the OP like that. So what if its only a temporary fix? If it helps, it helps. Im not saying this is the case, but what if he just doesn't have the extra money to spend on better mounts? Give him a break. And all of the people here who went after him need to think before they post. He contributed, thats his part. Our part is to support or NICELY correct what is wrong. The way Logan30 was treated could cause someone to never want to contribute again, just out of fear of being judged like he was. Next time, choose your words more carefully.
Good job OP. Keep the ideas coming.
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OP: Your ‘mod’ is not all that ill conceived despite what all the unhelpful Debbie Downers say. What no one has said [in a non-douchie/personable manner] is that, the stiffness that you are [most likely] feeling is closer to the ‘stock feel’. Thus simple replacement of the bushing is all that is necessary to accomplish what you have done.
The discrepancy here is over why/if you have felt an improvement and the viability of your ‘modification’. If you did in fact lesson the torque movement of the engine, it is most likely a result of recompressing the old bushing. (Compressing an old bushing of that type will expand its effective diameter and slightly ‘stiffen’ the bushing. Doing so will also assist in wearing it out.) This very simple explanation has seemingly been overlooked by all of those who replied. Perhaps it was skipped in favor of flaming you; I do not presume to understand which is the case.
To everyone else: I get it guys, I definitely spent my share of time flaming noobs, but at what point is someone going to help this guy? Most of us learned from asking questions, reading, and implementing ideas (whether marketed products or backyard DIY). That said, instead of flaming him, is it too much to ask that one person help the guy understand or help him improve his idea? I am sure you can get over the grievous insult that his design is the “same as NWP’s”.
OP: As stated previous you must revise one major aspect to accomplish your goal (assuming that goal is to stiffen the stock engine dampening). The rubber bushing itself needs to be replaced with a less compressive material. Otherwise what you have is not only ineffective but will not last.
The reason some were ‘offended’ was your implication as to the purpose of NWP’s product. (It is not simply to stiffen the engine.) Where their product does lesson the movement of the engine, it is also adjustable. This makes it somewhat unique and much different than what you have done. (Personally I think their brace is a touch overrated since you are solving one issue and causing another.) That said, good on them for producing something viable and marketing it.
Alternatively, you can make a solid mount much cheaper than NWP’s torque link, at a much lower cost, if that is truly what you are after. It would be as easy as using your basic concept, stiffening that brace, using a hardened bolt, and adding a couple home made solid bushings. There are many routes you could take so if you would like to seriously look in to them, let us/me know.
Are we all calm now?
The discrepancy here is over why/if you have felt an improvement and the viability of your ‘modification’. If you did in fact lesson the torque movement of the engine, it is most likely a result of recompressing the old bushing. (Compressing an old bushing of that type will expand its effective diameter and slightly ‘stiffen’ the bushing. Doing so will also assist in wearing it out.) This very simple explanation has seemingly been overlooked by all of those who replied. Perhaps it was skipped in favor of flaming you; I do not presume to understand which is the case.
To everyone else: I get it guys, I definitely spent my share of time flaming noobs, but at what point is someone going to help this guy? Most of us learned from asking questions, reading, and implementing ideas (whether marketed products or backyard DIY). That said, instead of flaming him, is it too much to ask that one person help the guy understand or help him improve his idea? I am sure you can get over the grievous insult that his design is the “same as NWP’s”.
OP: As stated previous you must revise one major aspect to accomplish your goal (assuming that goal is to stiffen the stock engine dampening). The rubber bushing itself needs to be replaced with a less compressive material. Otherwise what you have is not only ineffective but will not last.
The reason some were ‘offended’ was your implication as to the purpose of NWP’s product. (It is not simply to stiffen the engine.) Where their product does lesson the movement of the engine, it is also adjustable. This makes it somewhat unique and much different than what you have done. (Personally I think their brace is a touch overrated since you are solving one issue and causing another.) That said, good on them for producing something viable and marketing it.
Alternatively, you can make a solid mount much cheaper than NWP’s torque link, at a much lower cost, if that is truly what you are after. It would be as easy as using your basic concept, stiffening that brace, using a hardened bolt, and adding a couple home made solid bushings. There are many routes you could take so if you would like to seriously look in to them, let us/me know.
Are we all calm now?
I have to agree with CallMeThatOneGuy and adroitcaptor. There's no reason to go after the OP like that. So what if its only a temporary fix? If it helps, it helps. Im not saying this is the case, but what if he just doesn't have the extra money to spend on better mounts? Give him a break. And all of the people here who went after him need to think before they post. He contributed, thats his part. Our part is to support or NICELY correct what is wrong. The way Logan30 was treated could cause someone to never want to contribute again, just out of fear of being judged like he was. Next time, choose your words more carefully.
Good job OP. Keep the ideas coming.
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Good job OP. Keep the ideas coming.
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lemme fix these pics for you
um unfortunately the only thing you are feeling is placebo of doing something, unless your car was structurally compromised that mod should have made no difference at all. A torque brace is from motor to chassis/frame. Not mount to frame because the mount is already mounted on the frame.
A for effort though.
um unfortunately the only thing you are feeling is placebo of doing something, unless your car was structurally compromised that mod should have made no difference at all. A torque brace is from motor to chassis/frame. Not mount to frame because the mount is already mounted on the frame.
A for effort though.
im quite sure of it. Its the mounts on the crossmember are what dictate the rocking motion of the motor, that rocking motion causes wheel hop. The side mount is just added support. Im quite sure it will have next to no effect except some placebo.
But this is going to have no effect on the movement of the motor. Unless your mount is solid metal....the condition of the motor mount is the defining factor. Here is the thing, a car with good motor mounts with out the support will severely out perform a car with this support with worn motor mounts.
But this is going to have no effect on the movement of the motor. Unless your mount is solid metal....the condition of the motor mount is the defining factor. Here is the thing, a car with good motor mounts with out the support will severely out perform a car with this support with worn motor mounts.
If it was "effective" than your car is actually unsafe to drive. Thats the point. The area that you put that brace on is actually one of the strongest points on the car. It does not flex to any noticeable amount period. And the fact that you just put a piece of metal from one small portion of the frame and bolted it to another less than 2" away....
Keep searching maybe you'll find something new but this. Im sorry its just a complete waste of time.
Keep searching maybe you'll find something new but this. Im sorry its just a complete waste of time.
No problemo with the hating...The funny thing is that if I respond with the same level of agression, I could get banned...While most of the haters are moderators or administrators, and they can talk all the verbal diarrhea that they have been saving for a rainy day. Not fair, but that's how things work here. Oops! I may been banned for saying that...Meh.
Yea not really cool for the flamming from the admin +1 for that one. Most def not cool. To each their own. He felt a difference he was putting an idea out there. +1 for your Logan results probably vary from car to car. As to the admin im quite disappointed in the behavior . I read these forums everyday and I dont see this flaming very much and to see it so extreme by admin is like I said disappointing.
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EDIT: Admin(Danny)
You haven't been here very long have you? Actually you havent been on forums very long for that matter if this is extreme flaming.
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Thats where you are wrong. I know.
Nobody with 3/4 of a brain is going to back you up on this one, this is just....No. Just no. Its laughable.
Thats where you are wrong. I know.
Nobody with 3/4 of a brain is going to back you up on this one, this is just....No. Just no. Its laughable.
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@Crusher103
Your “blah, blah, blah” and your response to my post indicates you either A) did not read what I wrote or B) did not understand it. So let me simplify this for you:
-You said, “um unfortunately the only thing you are feeling is placebo of doing something, unless your car was structurally compromised that mod should have made no difference at all.” [SIC] This is not accurate. I gave a scenario in which he could have actually felt a difference.
-You said, "im quite sure of it. Its the mounts on the crossmember are what dictate the rocking motion of the motor, that rocking motion causes wheel hop. The side mount is just added support. Im quite sure it will have next to no effect except some placebo." [SIC] This is also incorrect. The lower mounts bear the direct weight of the engine. Where those mounts do limit the movement of the engine, they are not purposed exclusively to control it. If you would like me to explain the physics at work here I would be more than happy to do so.
-You said, "But this is going to have no effect on the movement of the motor. Unless your mount is solid metal....the condition of the motor mount is the defining factor." [SIC] This is mostly correct. (IMO, giving someone half right information is as good as giving them wrong information)
-You said, "If it was "effective" than your car is actually unsafe to drive." [SIC] This contradicts what you said earlier (my second and third quote).
-You said, "You haven't been here very long have you?" Please explain to me how this is relevant to the OP or subject at hand. Feel free to throw in how your comment is not a classic 'because I am bigger than you' rationality.
Please do not take this as me flaming you; I am not. I intentionally did not include other quotes as I felt they were antagonistic. (Though, that last one is borderline.)
@OP
As stated before, if you want help let me know. As I interpret your posts, what you built does not work in the manner you think it does. That said, depending on your goal, we can work with it.
Your “blah, blah, blah” and your response to my post indicates you either A) did not read what I wrote or B) did not understand it. So let me simplify this for you:
-You said, “um unfortunately the only thing you are feeling is placebo of doing something, unless your car was structurally compromised that mod should have made no difference at all.” [SIC] This is not accurate. I gave a scenario in which he could have actually felt a difference.
-You said, "im quite sure of it. Its the mounts on the crossmember are what dictate the rocking motion of the motor, that rocking motion causes wheel hop. The side mount is just added support. Im quite sure it will have next to no effect except some placebo." [SIC] This is also incorrect. The lower mounts bear the direct weight of the engine. Where those mounts do limit the movement of the engine, they are not purposed exclusively to control it. If you would like me to explain the physics at work here I would be more than happy to do so.
-You said, "But this is going to have no effect on the movement of the motor. Unless your mount is solid metal....the condition of the motor mount is the defining factor." [SIC] This is mostly correct. (IMO, giving someone half right information is as good as giving them wrong information)
-You said, "If it was "effective" than your car is actually unsafe to drive." [SIC] This contradicts what you said earlier (my second and third quote).
-You said, "You haven't been here very long have you?" Please explain to me how this is relevant to the OP or subject at hand. Feel free to throw in how your comment is not a classic 'because I am bigger than you' rationality.
Please do not take this as me flaming you; I am not. I intentionally did not include other quotes as I felt they were antagonistic. (Though, that last one is borderline.)
@OP
As stated before, if you want help let me know. As I interpret your posts, what you built does not work in the manner you think it does. That said, depending on your goal, we can work with it.
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Originally Posted by adroitcaptor
@OP
As stated before, if you want help let me know. As I interpret your posts, what you built does not work in the manner you think it does. That said, depending on your goal, we can work with it.
This is the direction this thread needs to go, and the way all threads should be responded to. Be more cautious the way you are talking to others.
I'm a member on another forum and someone there just went through some bad stuff in his life and decided to end it all. No, it wasn't because of getting flamed in the forum. But it puts the importance of life, people, and relationships into perspective. He was actually a very positive member that always contributed beneficially. He really did impact/influence peoples lives from his posts. You never know how many other lives you touch through communities like this. But the more time you spend in them, the more you start to feel a sense of relationship/friendship/family...sometimes not until its too late. I didn't know him personally, but I knew him from his awesome/helpful/caring/positive posts. And reading that news hurt. I wish I could have been an influence to help him. So instead of putting someone down, find out where you can encourage/teach/help/ and lift up.
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OP, I'm having an issue with that same mount where the mount is sliding off the bushing altogether. What you did does NOT correct the issue with the motor slidng back and forh during acceleration. You're going to have to remove the mount and fill it to fix the issue.
A torque brace need to be connected from the engine to the unibody part of the engine bay for this to work.
A torque brace need to be connected from the engine to the unibody part of the engine bay for this to work.
Yea not really cool for the flamming from the admin +1 for that one. Most def not cool. To each their own. He felt a difference he was putting an idea out there. +1 for your Logan results probably vary from car to car. As to the admin im quite disappointed in the behavior . I read these forums everyday and I dont see this flaming very much and to see it so extreme by admin is like I said disappointing.
EDIT: Admin(Danny)
EDIT: Admin(Danny)
Your post in NO way helps to put the OP on track with getting his issue resolved so if you have nothing to add to the subject, don't post.
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In every forum ive belonged to its been the JOB of the moderators to keep the flaming and ridicule to a minimum,to warn those that do join in, not to join in themselves...it keeps the threads on topic,not cluttered with insults. The warnings I have seen given on here are usually for reviving old posts not for the constant badgering and cluttering. Everyone is quick to promote the search button as proper forum etiquette, did we forget the the rest of our forum etiquette?
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
In every forum ive belonged to its been the JOB of the moderators to keep the flaming and ridicule to a minimum,to warn those that do join in, not to join in themselves...it keeps the threads on topic,not cluttered with insults. The warnings I have seen given on here are usually for reviving old posts not for the constant badgering and cluttering. Everyone is quick to promote the search button as proper forum etiquette, did we forget the the rest of our forum etiquette?
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
anybody who knows what a motor mount is and what it does is going to look at this and laugh, thats what i did. I didnt say it at first but i laughed. For example think of this as a bridge. Know we all know the middle portion of the bridge is weak, instead of reinforcing the middle of the bridge you went to one edge of the bridge and threw a couple of twigs underneath it and said it made a huge difference.
Let alone this brace was not even bolted down. Im sorry its funny, but it just is and im not going to hide the fact that its funny. I have been laughed at myself plenty of times on this very forum, big deal get over it try something else.
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ok first, y'all came down on him too strong. he tried something but someone has to point out exactly why its wrong in a way everybody can understand... not just saying WRONG WRONG ur a DUMB **** etc lol
Logan30, what you braced was the engine mount bracket to the frame... which i'm sure nissan already designed the bracket strong enough to handle the moment or torque the engine puts on it when being revved for a life time. never have i seen or heard of the bracket failing. although i don't disagree that you may have helped it, and it actually might be making a difference but its not at all the same as the NWP torque link. if anything you removed the moment/torque load more onto the actual mount itself since the bracket is now ultra rigid.
the other thing you didn't catch is that the engine mount is already placed perpendicular to the engine's movement, therefore already reducing rocking movement compared to a mount placed in line with the rocking movement. here's where NWP comes in... it mounts ON TOP of the engine mount (the bolt on the mount in your 3rd picture), its the part that moves the most with the engine, also takes the first moment/torque before transferring the rest of the force to the much more rigid engine mount bracket then ultimately to the frame. Then the NWP link is bolted to the frame. it reduces rocking by making the engine mount move less.
example: no brace
so the engine revs, that mount rocks all the way with the engine, then its stopped by the rigid engine mount bracket
example: with brace
the engine rocks, the mount with it. however, instead of the mount moving all that distance until it stops at the bracket the NWP link takes that load before the bracket does which in turn reduces the amount the engine moves/ travels.
all the noobs and everyone else defending are stupid. just because YOU don't understand why its wrong and not the same as a $100 product doesn't mean you have to stick up for him. thats like abolishing failing grades in school and giving everyone diplomas and medals for participation and trying and saying everyone is right
Logan30, what you braced was the engine mount bracket to the frame... which i'm sure nissan already designed the bracket strong enough to handle the moment or torque the engine puts on it when being revved for a life time. never have i seen or heard of the bracket failing. although i don't disagree that you may have helped it, and it actually might be making a difference but its not at all the same as the NWP torque link. if anything you removed the moment/torque load more onto the actual mount itself since the bracket is now ultra rigid.
the other thing you didn't catch is that the engine mount is already placed perpendicular to the engine's movement, therefore already reducing rocking movement compared to a mount placed in line with the rocking movement. here's where NWP comes in... it mounts ON TOP of the engine mount (the bolt on the mount in your 3rd picture), its the part that moves the most with the engine, also takes the first moment/torque before transferring the rest of the force to the much more rigid engine mount bracket then ultimately to the frame. Then the NWP link is bolted to the frame. it reduces rocking by making the engine mount move less.
example: no brace
so the engine revs, that mount rocks all the way with the engine, then its stopped by the rigid engine mount bracket
example: with brace
the engine rocks, the mount with it. however, instead of the mount moving all that distance until it stops at the bracket the NWP link takes that load before the bracket does which in turn reduces the amount the engine moves/ travels.
all the noobs and everyone else defending are stupid. just because YOU don't understand why its wrong and not the same as a $100 product doesn't mean you have to stick up for him. thats like abolishing failing grades in school and giving everyone diplomas and medals for participation and trying and saying everyone is right
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In every forum ive belonged to its been the JOB of the moderators to keep the flaming and ridicule to a minimum,to warn those that do join in, not to join in themselves...it keeps the threads on topic,not cluttered with insults. The warnings I have seen given on here are usually for reviving old posts not for the constant badgering and cluttering. Everyone is quick to promote the search button as proper forum etiquette, did we forget the the rest of our forum etiquette?
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
FTR, OP was not flamed mercillesly...in fact, he wasn't really flamed at all. The first several posts were observations on what was actually done, then a couple (including mine) that made mention of "if OP felt a difference it was due to poor condition of the mounts themselves"....
If there was flaming, it started way later.
If there was flaming, it started way later.
lemme fix these pics for you
um unfortunately the only thing you are feeling is placebo of doing something, unless your car was structurally compromised that mod should have made no difference at all. A torque brace is from motor to chassis/frame. Not mount to frame because the mount is already mounted on the frame.
A for effort though.
um unfortunately the only thing you are feeling is placebo of doing something, unless your car was structurally compromised that mod should have made no difference at all. A torque brace is from motor to chassis/frame. Not mount to frame because the mount is already mounted on the frame.
A for effort though.
I am curious to see how this holds up.
Looks flimsy IMO.
I wonder if it will hold up to wheel hop..?
If this ends up lasting, I'm interested enough.
Thanks for the thread!
Edit: I just took a closer look at the photos.
I think the improvement is in your head, not real.
I don't see any firm bracing to it at all.
It's only "connected" in one place.
Looks flimsy IMO.
I wonder if it will hold up to wheel hop..?
If this ends up lasting, I'm interested enough.
Thanks for the thread!
Edit: I just took a closer look at the photos.
I think the improvement is in your head, not real.
I don't see any firm bracing to it at all.
It's only "connected" in one place.
im quite sure of it. Its the mounts on the crossmember are what dictate the rocking motion of the motor, that rocking motion causes wheel hop. The side mount is just added support. Im quite sure it will have next to no effect except some placebo.
But this is going to have no effect on the movement of the motor. Unless your mount is solid metal....the condition of the motor mount is the defining factor. Here is the thing, a car with good motor mounts with out the support will severely out perform a car with this support with worn motor mounts.
But this is going to have no effect on the movement of the motor. Unless your mount is solid metal....the condition of the motor mount is the defining factor. Here is the thing, a car with good motor mounts with out the support will severely out perform a car with this support with worn motor mounts.
The thing you braced is the chassis,(unibody) and I highly doubt that did any flexing or it would have snapped off long ago. It's a ridged part, not meant or designed to flex.
The flex is happening inside the mount itself, the center of the rubber section that the bolt goes through. And that mounting point itself isn't really controlling engine movement that much if any at all. The front and rear mounts are what holds the engine from rocking back and forth as torque is applied.
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Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,218
From: Mississauga, ON, CANADA
FTR, OP was not flamed mercillesly...in fact, he wasn't really flamed at all. The first several posts were observations on what was actually done, then a couple (including mine) that made mention of "if OP felt a difference it was due to poor condition of the mounts themselves"....
If there was flaming, it started way later.
If there was flaming, it started way later.
In every forum ive belonged to its been the JOB of the moderators to keep the flaming and ridicule to a minimum,to warn those that do join in, not to join in themselves...it keeps the threads on topic,not cluttered with insults. The warnings I have seen given on here are usually for reviving old posts not for the constant badgering and cluttering. Everyone is quick to promote the search button as proper forum etiquette, did we forget the the rest of our forum etiquette?
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
In every forum ive belonged to its been the JOB of the moderators to keep the flaming and ridicule to a minimum,to warn those that do join in, not to join in themselves...it keeps the threads on topic,not cluttered with insults. The warnings I have seen given on here are usually for reviving old posts not for the constant badgering and cluttering. Everyone is quick to promote the search button as proper forum etiquette, did we forget the the rest of our forum etiquette?
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
Also when new prospective members are searching the forum and they see this constant ridicule, why would they want to join??? Then we all miss out on prospective new members who could possibly have great knowledge and insight to bring to the .ORG
Just my 2 cents worth on this off topic chat
Do get upset if they say your mod doesn't do a damn thing. Figure out why they're saying it if you're here to learn something.
Junior Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 57
From: Athol, Idaho
I never said the people here dont know what they're doing, thats the whole point of this forum...I come here for knowledge and try to weigh in with any that i may have as well...I work in auto parts and have for years so when it comes to parts I know my stuff...repairs I try to do on my own, if I need help I come here and search or google. I only said I could see where his "design" could in theory help reinforce the factory bracket, not that its needed but im sure theres lots of "mods" that have been done on many cars over the years that werent needed.
I agree its not the same as the nwp mod by any means and prob does next to nothing unless you have worn mount(s).
I agree its not the same as the nwp mod by any means and prob does next to nothing unless you have worn mount(s).
Junior Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 57
From: Athol, Idaho
Really? No one initially flamed you but you weren't open to hearing what these guys were telling you. I'm not here to tell folks not to be smartazzes. It's on you if someone tries to help you and you provoke them into the flame department.
Do get upset if they say your mod doesn't do a damn thing. Figure out why they're saying it if you're here to learn something.
Do get upset if they say your mod doesn't do a damn thing. Figure out why they're saying it if you're here to learn something.
That's all we were saying...
Junior Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 57
From: Athol, Idaho
Never meant to disagree with the theories just some of the later deliveries of them...like I said not my idea or project and Ive been helped many times on this forum by "you people" lol...actually currently being helped in another thread here... people here know their stuff, never meant to imply they didnt sorry if it came across that way
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Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 159
From: Ottawa, Canada
Man I'm not one to decide whether OP's idea is stupid and useless or not but you guys are jumpin all over him waaaay too aggressively.
Either way, he came to the org with his idea with good intentions, tryin to help the people on this board. And you boys are dumpin all over him, its kinda rude
Either way, he came to the org with his idea with good intentions, tryin to help the people on this board. And you boys are dumpin all over him, its kinda rude
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