Ummmm....dude.

They were AFRICANS.

As I understand it:

Seals are merely used for Underwater Demolition and recon. While they are the absolute best in the world at those things, they do not do Seek and Destroy or Seek and Capture missions regularly. They may be involved in a support role in those missions (recon the enemy), but they don't usually directly do the missions.

That is a Hollywood farce.

Delta Force, Rangers, and Marine Force Recon do those things.

Green Berets train guerillas in guerilla warfare, and also do not do those missions regularly. However, never get stuck with one after you in the bush (grin).

I'm not saying I'm 100% correct, but growing up in the military, and living on bases, and having my entire family military, that is what I know.

Maybe some of the servicemen on this board can clarify for me?

IanS

 

I grew up on NAS JAX navy base in Jacksonville florida, my Dad was a commander and c.o. of his squadron.

So I know a lil' about it, probubly not as familier as you though. I just gave a very generic view of the seals/rangers/ect. I know they have different jobs.

my point was that you don't send special forces groups in to fight an entire army. They would have to do everything perfect in order to succeed, which obviously is impossible and didn't happen.

 

Spec Ops has their own command...their AOR is the world. They really don't operate under any specific service. They are their own...whether Combat Control, Ranger, Green Beret or any of the other spec ops people...they all help the services out in times of need...

 

Active Duty Soldier.... you can have a vehicle... no car during basic training.. if your AIT is longer than like 30+ weeks(not sure) you can bring your car to AIT.. if you chose a combat MOS ... your not driving at all. Dam i wish i was going active, make sure you come back and do college.
Roger

 

marines actually have higher ASVAB requirements than allother service branches.

Roger

PFC, Non-Ranger 91W Healthcare Specialist

can we start talking bout maximas again

 

Special Forces are trainers, there mission isn't that of the Rangers.
SF go behind enemy lines, and train rebel forces to fight. They are trained to deal with any kind of obsticle in the way.

SEALS, do more than underwater missions. The navy diver is designated the task of underwater recon/salvage. If you think back about 10 years ago CNN go a tip on the beach head that a SEAL mission was going to land on somewhere in the Middle East. They like the RECON, and Rangers are taught how to assault. Delta Force and SEALS do have a unique role in the recovery of hostages and counter terrorism.

It was a while since I went to my Q course and school, but I vaguely remember discussions of the roles of the US military's Spec. Ops groups.

I wouldn't narrow my mind to the point of saying that only someone who went to school to be a Ranger a Ranger. I'll ask all Batt. brothers out there... Who wore the Black Beret? (Don't tell me commanders discression either) I will always call a Marine a Marine, whether or not they still have a green card. If you wore the boots, and did the time-you deserve the title. I have a guy who served with me that still calls me SGT, thats good to hear every once in a while.

 

Under no circumstances will you be allowed to bring a POV to basic training. Once you graduate, you will go to a secondary school for further specialized MOS training. At this point, you MAY have the option of bringing your car. I am not sure how the army does things... My guess would be no. And yes, if you get told no, please don't argue. I used to love thrashing PFCs and Privates who told me no...

 

I wanted to join the army, but living in Canada, I don't want to joing the underappreciated and underfunded army.
I don't want to end up somewhere on an Indian reserve looking after polar bears wondering into mine fields. naaah, I wish I was an American, I'd love to jin the airforce.
Do I need a Green card to join the army or whatever in the states? or can I be a Canadian citizen?

 

Sounds like you know what's you're talking about.

My dad has 3 berets in his drawer...Green, Maroon, and Black.

Any idea what all of those mean? I know he worked with the Vietmanese before we were "officially" in there, teaching them how to fight the VC, so I get the green beret, but what do the other 2 mean???

I once overheard one of his staff Seargents call him "Triple Threat
".....that have something to do with it?

I spent alot of my time hanging out in my Dad's office when he was CO of Marines, Subic Bay.....so I overheard alot. But he doesn't talk about it much....I see all the medals on the wall, and the berets, and the paratrooper and scuba pins, but I don't know what they all mean.....

I do know he taught at The Army War College, spent 3 tours in Vietnam as an officer and one in Korea as a PFC (He's a "Mustang").

I know we've gone TOTALLY OT now, but this thread went that way a long time ago.

Thanks,
IanS

 

Well, the beret wasn't allowed to be worn by any US soldier till JFK, he said that the SF (was called LRRP then) would be it's own entity and should stand out from the crowd. They would wear a green beret, the head gear would later nick name the special force groups. The Maroon beret is worn by Airborne troops on "jump status" (meaning they jump at least once a month). The Black beret was worn by Rangers, but has since become the primary head gear of the ARMY. I belive the only way to tell a ranger from a leg soldier is the flash on the beret. if it is baby blue with white stars around the edges, they are leg troops. but if it is white with green and blue then it is a ranger. As an honor, some regimental commanders or command sergeant majors will present a set of wings or head gear to another soldier, inducting them as a honorary member.

 

the way to tell a ranger now is by the tap on his shoulder or the tan beret that he wears. rangers now wear tan berets, not black..black is the standard issue for all army personel.

 

I didn't know that they changed the issue color, that sounds tacky. I know I was ****ed when they allowed all soldiers to wear berets period. It used to be a sign of the elite, not for the masses. When you say Tap, do you mean the tab or the scroll? I knew you can tell by that, I meant by the headgear.

 

Hmmm.

I know my Dad went to jump school, so that must be the Maroon Beret. The Black Beret he earned well before the change (he retired in 1989), so he must have gone to Ranger school as well???

And of course the green beret is obvious.

Wow....I never really knew until now....that's cool.

Of course, knowing that he's 69 years old and can still snap me like a twig with his thumb is a litle intimidating.

I went to Phoenix to visit him last Thanksgiving, and at the gym he was doing 8 reps of 275...heh Now that's a Marine!

Just kidding...he's totally mellow.



Sorry about the continuation of this totally OT thread, but I find it interesting.

 

Email me if you have any other questions, let this thread get back to the topic at hand.

 

Definately store it on base after BT. Believe it or not, your insurance rate will be better if you tell them you keep your ride on base.

 

Also change your insurance to USAA, they have LOW LOW premiums for soldiers and families, and I was reading they have a discount for on base vehicles

 

When I got out of the USMC last year and moved back to SC, my insurance went up about $25-$30 a MONTH.

And on the subject of Marine intelligence levels... I have a 125 GT and made a 99 on ASVAB. I was also Marine Corps infantry. I found it amusing that a lot of the 03's were actually "smarter" than the intel and admin guys. Guess that they just had something to prove.

A good friend of mine is also a Marine Recruiter. He works in the same office building with recruiters from the other services. Apparently, the USMC really does have slightly higher standards than the USN or the USA. Not sure about the USAF. I remember when I signed up five years ago. It was my understanding then that the other services were still taking GEDs while the Corps was only taking high school diplomas.

 

Yep...USMC and Air Force both only take High School Diplomas, all other services (GC, Army, Navy) will take a GED.

Oh, and I have USAA....besides low insurance rates, they have awesome Credit Card rates.....10% standard.

IanS