A couple of guys at my work have these cars and are always kinda bugging me to race. I know the WRX will smoke me badly but what about the Celica? Its the TRD version GT-S. Do either of these cars have weaknesses that the Max could maybe take advantage off? Im not expecting to win if I race I just didnt know if the Max had any kind of advantage at all against either of these cars. Thanks

 

I don't know what upgrades the TRD brings, but you would have a better chance against the Celica, you might even be able to win.. The WRX is another story though, especially if it has a boost controller.

You could say that both cars have bad low-end acceleration, but in the top end they are both fast, especially the WRX.

 

what are you? year,trans,mods?

just to let you know I lost to my friends 00 gt-s from a stop up to 80, was winning until mid 2nd-ish(auto)

 

Weakness of the Celica: Little torque, 6 speed gear ratios are too far apart, it drops off the big cam lobes in 3-4 and 4-5 upshifts. To take advantage of the maximas torque, race him from a stop or a roll where he is just into the next gear, like 35-40 mph. He would be just into 2nd gear, and it would take him a little bit to get up to the higher RPMs where his engine really starts to boil.

Weakness of the WRX: Very small turbo, top speed governor. This turbo spools very quickly and consequently, starts to wheeze at higher RPMs. They also have a governor, its at like 126 or 130 mph. If you want an advantage, race him on the highway where his massive midrange punch and awesome AWD launches don't do him a whole lot of good.

If you are auto, prepare to get ripped apart by both of these guys if they are both experienced manual drivers.

 

Yeah, beware of an WRX with an HKS SLD (Speed limit defencer) and boost controller.

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Compression on the GT-S is 11.5:1

 

you 5spd guys might lose to them too unless you're a good driver yourself.



wow...lots of auto negativity lately.

 

Sometimes reality just sucks

 

I'd just say to sum it up, the biggest weaknesses of each (stock) would be the Celica's low-end, and the Subaru's top-end. I'm sure there's more things you can do about the u-r-a-bus' top-end than the Celica's low-end...

 

I'm not too worried about that.

 

From a roll the WRX will be weak. No 6K AWD dumps.

 

Supercharge your car and add a 125 N02 shot, but don't forget CAI, the y-pipe, rt cat, and cat back sys. And you'll win. MAYBE

 

What I find humorous is a person can do all of that to a used maxima ($10-12K) and have a faster car than those cars cost new ($20-25K).

 

You realize that is what all the 5.0 Mustang guys say about maximas right?

 

Hmmm, I seem to have seen a reply similar to this before

 

True true. I like the looks and RELIABILITY of our Maximas and other foreign cars more than the 5.0's though.

 

I can say this. The only time it would ever be more advantageous to have a Maxima is if you are trying to take a road trip with three 6+ foot guys and four suitcases or if you are sitting with your GF in the car and you want to look up into the night sky to find "your star".

 

Celica's are like DOHC Honda's, they need a really good driver to run its best times. If the Maxima is a 5spd, the Celica shouldn't really be any contest. The WRX on the other hand, especially if u guys launch, it'll take u, but its weak up top, stock that is. WRX puts down like 165hp at the wheels, but with mods itll easily outrun a maxima all around.

 

i raced a teammates celica GTS with 18" rims, clear hood and stereo (basically a show car). i thought it would be a close race, but i smoked him pretty badly. my dial in time was 14.4 and his was like 15-15.2 i think. my dad drives a WRX and i am fortunate enough to practice my double clutch/heel and toe techniques on a regular basis. i only took that car to the track once (it's too new). my best time was only 14.6@96mph in the WRX. i find it very difficult to launch effectively. heatsoak and bogged launches differed my times from 14.6-15.3. there is not a lot of lowend because of lag. maybe with more practice i can master the AWD launch (4.5-5.5k clutch drop). i think it's quite easy to beat a celica at all speeds or from a stop because all my times were better (60', 330', 1/8mi, etc) all around than he ran at that day. the WRX is different. you can't slouch on the line otherwise you're toast. from a roll you might beat the WRX because the lag absolutely sucks (I can't stand lag). it's a close race with the WRX, but i have confidence i can beat stock WRXs with my current setup. just watch out for bad weather. you'll be lunch. i have no fear in the WRX in the rain under throttle! it hooks up so nice and handles so neutrally. it's time for vishnu stage zero. my max will be overpowered then.

 

Personally I raced my friends GT-S and after second gear i never saw him again. Overall they just dont have what the max has to offer.All I have is a pop charger pulley and a universal muffler, and he had a aem cold air intake.

 

Looks I dont care about. Reliablity is of question, especially in performance applications. I've had much transmission PAIN with my car. I HATE the repair cost that is associated with a foreign car. You could rebuild an entire Ford/GM transmissoin with completely aftermarket parts changing gear ratio's etc for the cost it would to replace a single gear on a foreign car.

My take on it, is if you're a hobbiest looking for cheap speed and a project car either A) buy a crotch rocket (already did that) or B) Buy an american car where the parts are cheap and plentiful or do both.

 

I disagree guys

a 6spd GTS and a 5spd max are almost equal in speed

it should come down to the better driver....

 

ALMOST equal, the max is stil faster

 

Isit a TRD racing conversion or did your friend buy it with the trd package,I think it like costs like 36,000$.Anyways the TRD version of it is 4.8 secs 0-60 and the conversion is 4.9 0-60. VERY quick stay away from him!

 

Uh does this TRD package include an AWD drivetrain and forced induction? Short of that, theres no way a celica is getting to 60 in 4.8 seconds.

 

cus the wrx is out of the question.. our cars are not as performance inclined as the scooby my roommate just got one like 2 monthes ago and that thing is scary fast from the factory ..take yesterday for ex. we were coming back from miami beach and hoped on the highway all of a suden we had two street bikes and a moded focus also a boxter all around us hitting 105mph in mild traffic mind you its 6 in the afternoon so cool every one slowes down as traffic gets thicker and my buddy says "yall readdy to loose theas fool,s we wer 5 in the car 2 sec later baam!!wot at 3rd geer the handling is amazing we wer weaving thru traffic at 115 mph no problems my max would have never made is through the firs 5 mins of it ..mind you i have a fstb.rstb.sway bar ,agx and sprint springs ..but its all about its all wheel drive traction and turbo power to smooth .incredible car if i was looking to buy a car this would be it ..so do yourself a favor unless your heavily moded dont think about the wrx ..i still love my max though..peace

 

Did you or do you have an automatic Maxima? Because I've never had trouble with my car (5 speed). And what performance mods have you done? The max is a great car, but it isn't a 300ZX. So I don't think you should compare our car to a pony car like the mustang or a big sportscar like that anyway. So you go ahead and stick to your crotch rocket.

 

Domestics, cheap repair costs at the cost of a lot of repairs that need to be done.
Imports, higher repair cost with less repairs to be done.
Its a stereotype of domestic vs. imports, but between me and all my friends experiences with imports and domestic cars, our imports have had less repairs to be done.

What kind of transmission problem was there with the maxima, ive got an auto with 62k miles and i dont have any problems yet. Ive gone through a couple bottles of nitrous on it too and it shifts only a little slower than it did when i bought it, and i put my car through quite a bit of spirited driving. I dont think many 5spd owners had much problem with the transmission if any.

 

Are you serious, Nissan 5 speeds are notorious for bearing failures around 70-90K. There was an interesting thread earlier about Nissan not using the correct shims causing tolerance issues. Not sure of the real cause, but there is definitly an issue with some of them. Others go forever with no problems. You're either screwed or your not.

 

Okay look, Nitrous Oxide is N-2-O, two Nitrogen atoms and ONE Oxygen atom per molecule. That drives me nuts.
FYI:
Air = 23% Oxygen by weight, 21% Oxygen by volume
N2O = 36% Oxygen by weight, 50% Oxygen by volume!

Great name though dude, seriously! Honda hunting is one of my favorite hobbies!

 

NO2 = Nitrogen Dioxide

 

Correct...

 

Here is the thread I was looking for, I thought id have a good solid answer for you on this but the celica that we raced was supercharged. However if that supercharged celica only beat me by a car and a half to 90 then maybe it would be possible to beat a non SCed Celica. And about the WRX, it smoked the Celica im not sure what mods the WRX had though. Take Care

 

Everybody else is quite right, the WRX's main advantage is it's AWD high-RPM launch, and turbo boosted midrange. Celica GT-S' make 180hp @ 7K-some odd-RPM which means they have only about 130lb-ft of torque at that RPM. VVTLi is supposed to give them a relatively flat torque curve so they aren't great on acceleration, it'd be like a Honda. The best 0-60 I've seen for a GT-S is 7.5 seconds. WRX's do it in 5.6 seconds, but that skyrockets to around 6.8 for a 5-60mph run.

 

race wrx after 60mph..

 

i once raced a celica i think it was a gt-s. and well , he squieled of while i just steped on the gas normaly i caught up with him on 2 gear andthe smoked the*** out of him. but i could of bim a just a gt. but im sure it was a gt-s.