Ignition Upgrade...I think?
02-02-2002, 08:39 AM
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Re: Ignition Upgrade...I think?
Originally posted by gtr_rider
Did anyone see this on the stillen website, I just noticed it today...is this new?
Its going for $625
Did anyone see this on the stillen website, I just noticed it today...is this new?
Its going for $625
you can get it for cheaper than that...
and they have been around for awhile.. it doesn't to too much for us though...
02-02-2002, 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by bags533
I think that's what roadbeast is running. I have NOT heard of anyone running this.
I think that's what roadbeast is running. I have NOT heard of anyone running this.
02-02-2002, 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Howie
I have been running this for a while and it is not true that it does not do anything for us it does, I bought from stillen also but not that much I paid $325 with s/h
I have been running this for a while and it is not true that it does not do anything for us it does, I bought from stillen also but not that much I paid $325 with s/h
02-02-2002, 12:00 PM
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I waiting for the MSD version
MSD probably will make a digital ignition so I can retard the timing. If not, they have the Stacker ignition which function basically like the HKS.
02-02-2002, 12:05 PM
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Re: I waiting for the MSD version
Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
MSD probably will make a digital ignition so I can retard the timing. If not, they have the Stacker ignition which is function basically like the HKS.
MSD probably will make a digital ignition so I can retard the timing. If not, they have the Stacker ignition which is function basically like the HKS.
or it has to over 25hp to be considered gain, do more get more buddy
02-02-2002, 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
No way a NA will gain 4hp with an ignition upgrade. They are a waste of money on NA cars.
No way a NA will gain 4hp with an ignition upgrade. They are a waste of money on NA cars.
02-02-2002, 01:51 PM
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I think iginition upgrade will help cars running nitrous.
I had some ignition problems with my 100shot. I had to close up the gap on the spark plugs. If I upgrade to either HKS or the MSD. I could open up the gap again to get a better spark. I'm just waiting for MSD. I feel better working with parts that are from the states. It's easier to get customer support and warranty repair.
02-02-2002, 03:58 PM
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As redmaxpa007 said it has been around for a while.
It is a very needed part in ur car since u r looking to gather all three :Air, fuel, and electricity( plugs,twin power, etc.)
So i guess to get the total package from ur car u have to plug the twin power....as for what it gives......it gave me a better response through the whole rpm...... BUT i didnt get what other maximas got cuz:::: my spark plugs r dead........in order to get the complete advantage from the twinpower u need to upgrade ur plugs.( denso, SF,etc..)
Last but not least since that there are only few performance parts for the max then i guess up to 4 horses r not bad at all......even if it cost u 479$ (including tax)
Maxima rules!
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It is a very needed part in ur car since u r looking to gather all three :Air, fuel, and electricity( plugs,twin power, etc.)
So i guess to get the total package from ur car u have to plug the twin power....as for what it gives......it gave me a better response through the whole rpm...... BUT i didnt get what other maximas got cuz:::: my spark plugs r dead........in order to get the complete advantage from the twinpower u need to upgrade ur plugs.( denso, SF,etc..)
Last but not least since that there are only few performance parts for the max then i guess up to 4 horses r not bad at all......even if it cost u 479$ (including tax)
Maxima rules!
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02-02-2002, 04:36 PM
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Re: Re: I waiting for the MSD version
Originally posted by Howie
well isn"t 4hp more better than none??????? or it has to over 25hp to be considered gain, do more get more buddy
well isn"t 4hp more better than none???????
or it has to over 25hp to be considered gain, do more get more buddy
02-02-2002, 07:58 PM
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It works because it's hooked up to a Haltech stand along fuel/ignition system. The Digital 6 DIS system can only fire up to 4 channels/coils...ie Late model V8 Mustang. It won't work on 4th gen because we have 6 coils. The MSD Stacker will work on the maxima, but it hasn't been relased yet. It's pretty much function like the HKS as a piggy back to the OEM ignition system.
Originally posted by nigelcmf
Unclemax is supposed to have an MSD ignition for his Max. I have been trying to find out how it works. Haven't heard back yet.
Unclemax is supposed to have an MSD ignition for his Max. I have been trying to find out how it works. Haven't heard back yet.
02-02-2002, 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
It works because it's hooked up to a Haltech stand along fuel/ignition system. The Digital 6 DIS system can only fire up to 4 channels/coils...ie Late model V8 Mustang. It won't work on 4th gen because we have 6 coils. The MSD Stacker will work on the maxima, but it hasn't been relased yet. It's pretty much function like the HKS as a piggy back to the OEM ignition system.
It works because it's hooked up to a Haltech stand along fuel/ignition system. The Digital 6 DIS system can only fire up to 4 channels/coils...ie Late model V8 Mustang. It won't work on 4th gen because we have 6 coils. The MSD Stacker will work on the maxima, but it hasn't been relased yet. It's pretty much function like the HKS as a piggy back to the OEM ignition system.
I am interested in the MSD stacker, do you have more information on that (other than it has not been released yet)?
Thanks!
02-02-2002, 11:24 PM
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http://www.msdignition.com/n2000.htm
Originally posted by nigelcmf
Dude you're right! The digital 6 DIS system does only fire up to 4 channels/coils, but that's not the reason it cannot be used. The main reason it cannot be used is that ours is a transistorized coil system. If it were not transistorized, then it would work by the "wasted spark" technique whereby two plugs are fired at once, one on the ignition stroke and the other on the exhaust stroke. That way you only use three channels (hooking two together) and that's how it can work on a V8 (using four channels). No doubt, firing individually has it's advantages.
I am interested in the MSD stacker, do you have more information on that (other than it has not been released yet)?
Thanks!
Dude you're right! The digital 6 DIS system does only fire up to 4 channels/coils, but that's not the reason it cannot be used. The main reason it cannot be used is that ours is a transistorized coil system. If it were not transistorized, then it would work by the "wasted spark" technique whereby two plugs are fired at once, one on the ignition stroke and the other on the exhaust stroke. That way you only use three channels (hooking two together) and that's how it can work on a V8 (using four channels). No doubt, firing individually has it's advantages.
I am interested in the MSD stacker, do you have more information on that (other than it has not been released yet)?
Thanks!
02-02-2002, 11:45 PM
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Any idea when it might be available? ... just thought you might know, since you know it hasn't been released yet.
02-03-2002, 12:20 AM
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I asked MSD a few times over the phone and the date keeps getting pushed back.
Originally posted by nigelcmf
Thanks man! Any idea when it might be available? ... just thought you might know, since you know it hasn't been released yet.
Thanks man!
Any idea when it might be available? ... just thought you might know, since you know it hasn't been released yet.
02-03-2002, 12:22 AM
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One way to test out if the HKS works might be using this tester.
http://buy.snapon.com/products/diagn...00&dir=catalog
It can measure Kilovolt. I guess take some measurements before intallation the unit and take somre measurements after.
It can measure Kilovolt. I guess take some measurements before intallation the unit and take somre measurements after.
02-03-2002, 12:36 AM
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Re: One way to test out if the HKS works might be using this tester.
Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
http://buy.snapon.com/products/diagn...00&dir=catalog
It can measure Kilovolt. I guess take some measurements before intall the unit and take somre measurements after.
http://buy.snapon.com/products/diagn...00&dir=catalog
It can measure Kilovolt. I guess take some measurements before intall the unit and take somre measurements after.
Thanks again!
02-03-2002, 12:41 AM
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Re: Re: One way to test out if the HKS works might be using this tester.
If you find a way to retard the timing short of stand alone ignition system, please let me know.
Originally posted by nigelcmf
Actually, I am more interested in the engine retard stuff than voltage. But thanks for the info. It seems that this product may not be able to do that ... but there is limited info on the site.
Thanks again!
Actually, I am more interested in the engine retard stuff than voltage. But thanks for the info. It seems that this product may not be able to do that ... but there is limited info on the site.
Thanks again!
02-03-2002, 07:04 AM
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I have been thinking about this for a while too. The best idea I have had so far is to replace the individual coil pacs with a three chanel wasted spard set up. You can get the coil pack assembly for under $100. MSD makes Hemi spark plug attachers that are long and will fit down the plug holes on the Max. My application is a little different because I am boosted, I want ignition retard but boost referenced. Now I just need to find some one who makes a three chanel ignition controller that takes a MAP sensor input?
02-03-2002, 10:01 AM
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Don't believe anything your read unless you know how reliable the source is. Most guys on here came to the conclusion that the HKS twin power doesn't work because Loren (.org member) bought it when it first came out. That was 2 years ago. He dynoed tested on his SC maxima and it provided no gain. That doesn't mean it didn't do anything, but it just didn't do anything for a car that's making ~270ish HP. It might provide good gains for someone that's making 350hp, but who knows. This is why I brought up the Snap On Tool. With that tool you can actually take measurement independent of the rest of the car.
Originally posted by rOaD bEaSt
I think that many guys said that I'm a lier when I said that Twin Power is working in maxima and you can find that in stillen and this will give you about 4 HP , please guys next time before you say to anyone lier be sure if this was true or not ..
I will sell mine if any one intrested please contact me for the price
Thanks
I think that many guys said that I'm a lier when I said that Twin Power is working in maxima and you can find that in stillen and this will give you about 4 HP , please guys next time before you say to anyone lier be sure if this was true or not ..
I will sell mine if any one intrested please contact me for the price
Thanks
02-04-2002, 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
I have been thinking about this for a while too. The best idea I have had so far is to replace the individual coil pacs with a three chanel wasted spard set up. You can get the coil pack assembly for under $100. MSD makes Hemi spark plug attachers that are long and will fit down the plug holes on the Max. My application is a little different because I am boosted, I want ignition retard but boost referenced. Now I just need to find some one who makes a three chanel ignition controller that takes a MAP sensor input?
I have been thinking about this for a while too. The best idea I have had so far is to replace the individual coil pacs with a three chanel wasted spard set up. You can get the coil pack assembly for under $100. MSD makes Hemi spark plug attachers that are long and will fit down the plug holes on the Max. My application is a little different because I am boosted, I want ignition retard but boost referenced. Now I just need to find some one who makes a three chanel ignition controller that takes a MAP sensor input?
Yeah, if you find one that is boost dependent, let me know!
02-04-2002, 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
Don't believe anything your read unless you know how reliable the source is. Most guys on here came to the conclusion that the HKS twin power doesn't work because Loren (.org member) bought it when it first came out. That was 2 years ago. He dynoed tested on his SC maxima and it provided no gain. That doesn't mean it didn't do anything, but it just didn't do anything for a car that's making ~270ish HP. It might provide good gains for someone that's making 350hp, but who knows. This is why I brought up the Snap On Tool. With that tool you can actually take measurement independent of the rest of the car.
Don't believe anything your read unless you know how reliable the source is. Most guys on here came to the conclusion that the HKS twin power doesn't work because Loren (.org member) bought it when it first came out. That was 2 years ago. He dynoed tested on his SC maxima and it provided no gain. That doesn't mean it didn't do anything, but it just didn't do anything for a car that's making ~270ish HP. It might provide good gains for someone that's making 350hp, but who knows. This is why I brought up the Snap On Tool. With that tool you can actually take measurement independent of the rest of the car.
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