Level 10 Auto Rebuild
02-22-2002, 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by clee130
I know a couple of people have gotten it done at Level 10 ... but Don's VB is about $300 cheaper and IMO, better.
I know a couple of people have gotten it done at Level 10 ... but Don's VB is about $300 cheaper and IMO, better.
Rebuilding an automatic transmission is not for the faint of heart...
02-22-2002, 01:59 PM
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Bah what a waste of mula. Syki has dons VB, and said it didn't take any time off his 1/4th. And if its longevity of your tranny that your getting it for, my sister has 167k on hers, and its still goin! and believe me she BEATS on it. It outlasted the damn engine so its gotta be good..
If your gonna get this serious about your car, might as well do the 5spd conversion like me
If your gonna get this serious about your car, might as well do the 5spd conversion like me
02-22-2002, 02:20 PM
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I already have the VB mod, I'm looking at N2O or Supercharging and don't want to blow the tranny. I have been quoted a price for labor and it doesn't look too bad. Possibly a new TC also...
Clee: How much did level 10 charge for the rebuild? Were they satisfied with the results? Is there much improvement on quarter times?
Overall, which is better in performance and dependability?
Built Auto or 5-Speed?
Thanks for your help...
Clee: How much did level 10 charge for the rebuild? Were they satisfied with the results? Is there much improvement on quarter times?
Overall, which is better in performance and dependability?
Built Auto or 5-Speed?
Thanks for your help...
02-22-2002, 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by MadMax95
Overall, which is better in performance and dependability?
Built Auto or 5-Speed?
Thanks for your help...
Overall, which is better in performance and dependability?
Built Auto or 5-Speed?
Thanks for your help...
02-22-2002, 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by slammed95
I believe that a 5 speed will probably always outperform the auto's given the same amount of power. 5 speeds have a lower first gear, and have closer ratios throughout the gears. As for dependability, an carefully built auto might be better because it seems like some people have been having prob's with their 5 speed maximas when reaching higher power level. i.e. ericdwong
I believe that a 5 speed will probably always outperform the auto's given the same amount of power. 5 speeds have a lower first gear, and have closer ratios throughout the gears. As for dependability, an carefully built auto might be better because it seems like some people have been having prob's with their 5 speed maximas when reaching higher power level. i.e. ericdwong
1) You can get a torque converter for the auto.
2) A modified VB will shift faster than any 5-speed driver can, and also more consistently.
3) If you are going to "heavly" build an auto, why not just add the 5th gear in it
Kirk
Don said something a while back about auto's being faster after a certain point, but i forgot what time in the 1/4 he noticed there was a difference.
02-22-2002, 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by 1/3There2/3ToGo
No. Once you get a ton of power the built auto is better. Here is why:
1) You can get a torque converter for the auto.
2) A modified VB will shift faster than any 5-speed driver can, and also more consistently.
3) If you are going to "heavly" build an auto, why not just add the 5th gear in it
Kirk
Don said something a while back about auto's being faster after a certain point, but i forgot what time in the 1/4 he noticed there was a difference.
No. Once you get a ton of power the built auto is better. Here is why:
1) You can get a torque converter for the auto.
2) A modified VB will shift faster than any 5-speed driver can, and also more consistently.
3) If you are going to "heavly" build an auto, why not just add the 5th gear in it
Kirk
Don said something a while back about auto's being faster after a certain point, but i forgot what time in the 1/4 he noticed there was a difference.
But for normal people who arent car-crazed 5spd is the street choice. But if you are insane and wanna spend all that $, go auto.
02-22-2002, 03:10 PM
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im in a situation where i cant get a 5-spd transmission, i have to stick with auto because my dad is basically crippled and he cant drive a manual (he bought the car for me so he wants to be able to drive it and i want him to be able to as well), if i can spend 3-5 grand on an auto and make it better like u guys were just talking about, where/how/what needs to be done, money is not a huge concern i can save up for whatever it is, i have a good income and scholarships pay for all college expenses, so can one of u experts at this stuff please help me out
Thanks a bunch,
Tom
Thanks a bunch,
Tom
02-22-2002, 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by TN-Max
im in a situation where i cant get a 5-spd transmission, i have to stick with auto because my dad is basically crippled and he cant drive a manual (he bought the car for me so he wants to be able to drive it and i want him to be able to as well), if i can spend 3-5 grand on an auto and make it better like u guys were just talking about, where/how/what needs to be done, money is not a huge concern i can save up for whatever it is, i have a good income and scholarships pay for all college expenses, so can one of u experts at this stuff please help me out
Thanks a bunch,
Tom
im in a situation where i cant get a 5-spd transmission, i have to stick with auto because my dad is basically crippled and he cant drive a manual (he bought the car for me so he wants to be able to drive it and i want him to be able to as well), if i can spend 3-5 grand on an auto and make it better like u guys were just talking about, where/how/what needs to be done, money is not a huge concern i can save up for whatever it is, i have a good income and scholarships pay for all college expenses, so can one of u experts at this stuff please help me out
Thanks a bunch,
Tom
Get either a Trans-go shift kit, or Dons VB mod. The trans-go is $35-65 dollars but requires professional installation. ($100 around that)
Dons is $350 is supposedly a little better, but u gotta ship and wait and ship and wait.
Now, once you have done this my friend, SUPERCHARGER. You can get a stillen V2 supercharger for 3,300ish new. But it is really quite. I personally love the trademark wine of a supercharger. If you are like me, look around for a stillen V1 supercharger.
Ohhh, my. That will make you jizz your pants.
02-22-2002, 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
ok...screw the 5,000 auto! you lucky dog...this is what you need to do:
Get either a Trans-go shift kit, or Dons VB mod. The trans-go is $35-65 dollars but requires professional installation. ($100 around that)
Dons is $350 is supposedly a little better, but u gotta ship and wait and ship and wait.
Now, once you have done this my friend, SUPERCHARGER. You can get a stillen V2 supercharger for 3,300ish new. But it is really quite. I personally love the trademark wine of a supercharger. If you are like me, look around for a stillen V1 supercharger.
Ohhh, my. That will make you jizz your pants.
ok...screw the 5,000 auto! you lucky dog...this is what you need to do:
Get either a Trans-go shift kit, or Dons VB mod. The trans-go is $35-65 dollars but requires professional installation. ($100 around that)
Dons is $350 is supposedly a little better, but u gotta ship and wait and ship and wait.
Now, once you have done this my friend, SUPERCHARGER. You can get a stillen V2 supercharger for 3,300ish new. But it is really quite. I personally love the trademark wine of a supercharger. If you are like me, look around for a stillen V1 supercharger.
Ohhh, my. That will make you jizz your pants.
, however ive been reading about this turbo kit the guy installed, so i might hold off and see how that does, but back to auto. trans. question, if i did want to spend like a grand or two, what else can i do other than vb mod, i want to be at least as fast as 5spd, faster if its possible? any suggestions?
02-22-2002, 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by TN-Max
yea im already saving up for supercharger right now , however ive been reading about this turbo kit the guy installed, so i might hold off and see how that does, but back to auto. trans. question, if i did want to spend like a grand or two, what else can i do other than vb mod, i want to be at least as fast as 5spd, faster if its possible? any suggestions?
yea im already saving up for supercharger right now
, however ive been reading about this turbo kit the guy installed, so i might hold off and see how that does, but back to auto. trans. question, if i did want to spend like a grand or two, what else can i do other than vb mod, i want to be at least as fast as 5spd, faster if its possible? any suggestions?
If you have a SC, Y-pipe, Cat-back system with the VB and Torque Converter you should be faster than a 5-speed in the 1/4.
Kirk
02-22-2002, 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by TN-Max
yea im already saving up for supercharger right now , however ive been reading about this turbo kit the guy installed, so i might hold off and see how that does, but back to auto. trans. question, if i did want to spend like a grand or two, what else can i do other than vb mod, i want to be at least as fast as 5spd, faster if its possible? any suggestions?
yea im already saving up for supercharger right now
, however ive been reading about this turbo kit the guy installed, so i might hold off and see how that does, but back to auto. trans. question, if i did want to spend like a grand or two, what else can i do other than vb mod, i want to be at least as fast as 5spd, faster if its possible? any suggestions?
here is an idea.
www.levelten.com
1) Tranny rebuild kit. --- $750 its suppose to make the tranny handle alot more HPs.
2) Dons VB MOD.--- $450 turn around time was a day 2 days.
3) levelten shift kit --- $1019 you can manual shift you auto like tiptronic "or so they say"
your grand total for parts is $2219 built Tranny.
plus labor cause i wouldn't pull my tranny apart. vavle body yes tranny no.
oh by the way love the valve body mod. thanks to DON.
02-22-2002, 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by 1/3There2/3ToGo
You can change the gearing, definatley get Dons VB mod - IMHO its going to last longer than the trans-go shift kit(plus Don uses it himself), replace the clutches and try to have a transmission shop just make everything in it stronger. Also get a Torque Converter(Don sells these too) that will make you launch a TON better.
If you have a SC, Y-pipe, Cat-back system with the VB and Torque Converter you should be faster than a 5-speed in the 1/4.
Kirk
You can change the gearing, definatley get Dons VB mod - IMHO its going to last longer than the trans-go shift kit(plus Don uses it himself), replace the clutches and try to have a transmission shop just make everything in it stronger. Also get a Torque Converter(Don sells these too) that will make you launch a TON better.
If you have a SC, Y-pipe, Cat-back system with the VB and Torque Converter you should be faster than a 5-speed in the 1/4.
Kirk
02-22-2002, 05:18 PM
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I really want to get this kit myself. Just not sure if it's worth it though. The guy I talked to at Level Ten told me this rebuild kit not only "bulletproof" the transmission, but also will give you considerable performance from it. In another word, the shifts should be even better with this kit. Hm...who knows. Too bad nobody on this board have this kit. This is not the full rebuild that cost $3k+, this is a Stage I rebuild kit.
02-22-2002, 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by TN-Max
wow, thank u soo much, ive wanted to hear that it was at least possible to be faster than a 5spd somehow, that really put a smile on my face, THANKS!!!!!!!
wow, thank u soo much, ive wanted to hear that it was at least possible to be faster than a 5spd somehow, that really put a smile on my face, THANKS!!!!!!!
Kirk
02-22-2002, 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by 1/3There2/3ToGo
Yes, it is definatley possible. Once you have a certain level of power automatic transmissions are faster than sticks. Thats why dragsters are autos.
Kirk
Yes, it is definatley possible. Once you have a certain level of power automatic transmissions are faster than sticks. Thats why dragsters are autos.
Kirk
02-22-2002, 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by mzmtg
Dragsters are auto because they are more consistent than manual...
Dragsters are auto because they are more consistent than manual...
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02-22-2002, 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by pawn
or just buy a 5spd. to start w/!
or just buy a 5spd. to start w/!
Don't you use to have an auto? Of all people you should understand our pain. No need for smart remarks, most auto owners like me would like to get a 5spd Maxima, however, most of us are not as fortunate as you are to get a hold of another car. I mean, good for you now that you have a 5spd, just no need to get cocky. Btw, I noticed this isn't your first time you did this, that's why I just want to remind you, you used to have an auto too.
02-22-2002, 07:18 PM
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ok i want the vb mod...?? is it worth it....how many 1\10 of a sec will i see of my 1\4....i have intake,y-pipe,rt cat, greddy sp....will i be faster than a modded 5sp...i have the loot just need some advise...also does the suspension im putting on have any benefits besides the drop...(agx's with h&rs on some chrome 17
driv mach 5's) ...???need some help??
driv mach 5's) ...???need some help??
02-22-2002, 08:08 PM
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Most drag cars aren't autos
The top fuel and funny car dragsters are direct drive. So in effect they have only 1 gear. Now the pro stock cars are manual trannies. Given the same engine power a manual tranny will be more effiecent than an auto. However change the gearing, stall speed and shift speed in the auto and the tables could turn. Here is a crazy *** idea. Why not see if the components from an automagic Z32TT could be machined/modified to fit the maxima tranny? Since the stock engine already puts out more than 280tq, it should be able to handle whatever you throw at it. If someone could email me the S.D.S info in the AT section from a 4th gen I could compare it with my Z32 FSM info.
02-22-2002, 08:28 PM
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That's why I got a spare tranny to work on. Since I'm not in any hurry, I can take my time, and do it myself. Plus I have a couple of mechanic friends who know what they're doing.
Originally posted by jdmmax
here is an idea.
www.levelten.com
your grand total for parts is $2219 built Tranny.
plus labor cause i wouldn't pull my tranny apart. vavle body yes tranny no.
oh by the way love the valve body mod. thanks to DON.
here is an idea.
www.levelten.com
your grand total for parts is $2219 built Tranny.
plus labor cause i wouldn't pull my tranny apart. vavle body yes tranny no.
oh by the way love the valve body mod. thanks to DON.
02-22-2002, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
Don't you use to have an auto? Of all people you should understand our pain. No need for smart remarks, most auto owners like me would like to get a 5spd Maxima, however, most of us are not as fortunate as you are to get a hold of another car. I mean, good for you now that you have a 5spd, just no need to get cocky. Btw, I noticed this isn't your first time you did this, that's why I just want to remind you, you used to have an auto too.
Don't you use to have an auto? Of all people you should understand our pain. No need for smart remarks, most auto owners like me would like to get a 5spd Maxima, however, most of us are not as fortunate as you are to get a hold of another car. I mean, good for you now that you have a 5spd, just no need to get cocky. Btw, I noticed this isn't your first time you did this, that's why I just want to remind you, you used to have an auto too.
yes, i used to have an auto!!!! i understand your pain, but on the same note, i don't feel sorry for you! if you don't like the auto, then get the 5spd. it is as simple as that, its not 5spds are hard to come by! and you are right, this wasn't my first time, nor my last!!!!!!
02-23-2002, 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by pawn
yes, i used to have an auto!!!! i understand your pain, but on the same note, i don't feel sorry for you! if you don't like the auto, then get the 5spd. it is as simple as that, its not 5spds are hard to come by! and you are right, this wasn't my first time, nor my last!!!!!!
yes, i used to have an auto!!!! i understand your pain, but on the same note, i don't feel sorry for you! if you don't like the auto, then get the 5spd. it is as simple as that, its not 5spds are hard to come by! and you are right, this wasn't my first time, nor my last!!!!!!
02-23-2002, 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by BLacKMax69
ok i want the vb mod...?? is it worth it....how many 1\10 of a sec will i see of my 1\4....i have intake,y-pipe,rt cat, greddy sp....will i be faster than a modded 5sp...i have the loot just need some advise...also does the suspension im putting on have any benefits besides the drop...(agx's with h&rs on some chrome 17
driv mach 5's) ...???need some help??
ok i want the vb mod...?? is it worth it....how many 1\10 of a sec will i see of my 1\4....i have intake,y-pipe,rt cat, greddy sp....will i be faster than a modded 5sp...i have the loot just need some advise...also does the suspension im putting on have any benefits besides the drop...(agx's with h&rs on some chrome 17
driv mach 5's) ...???need some help??
Kirk
02-23-2002, 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
Feel sorry for me? You think I care? lol...btw, just because you got a 5spd now doesn't mean you're fast. I have beaten plenty of 5spd Maximas before. Sure, 5spds aren't hard to come by, but like I said, not everyone is as lucky as you to get another car. Man, I knew you were cocky. Where do you live? Let's race and see how big and bad your 5spd is. NOT!
Feel sorry for me? You think I care? lol...btw, just because you got a 5spd now doesn't mean you're fast. I have beaten plenty of 5spd Maximas before. Sure, 5spds aren't hard to come by, but like I said, not everyone is as lucky as you to get another car. Man, I knew you were cocky. Where do you live? Let's race and see how big and bad your 5spd is. NOT!
Just imagine if you were still supercharged..
02-23-2002, 01:33 PM
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Does anyone have real PROOF that the vb mod takes time off your 1/4? I've heard sooooooooooooooooooooo much about this mod on this forum and I have yet to hear anyone (other than mobletech's own website) claim an actual, verified time reduction. Anyone? Proof?
02-23-2002, 01:55 PM
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The $750 Level 10 is just the parts. Ever price out the labor to put that $750 kit in? You are looking at total of 3-4 grand.
Originally posted by guido_sst
Don's VB is just a valvebody, the Level 10 kit is a full rebuild, new clutches and bands throughout, etc.
Rebuilding an automatic transmission is not for the faint of heart...
Don's VB is just a valvebody, the Level 10 kit is a full rebuild, new clutches and bands throughout, etc.
Rebuilding an automatic transmission is not for the faint of heart...
02-23-2002, 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
The $750 Level 10 is just the parts. Ever price out the labor to put that $750 kit in? You are looking at total of 3-4 grand.
The $750 Level 10 is just the parts. Ever price out the labor to put that $750 kit in? You are looking at total of 3-4 grand.
I did my homework...
02-23-2002, 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
Feel sorry for me? You think I care? lol...btw, just because you got a 5spd now doesn't mean you're fast. I have beaten plenty of 5spd Maximas before. Sure, 5spds aren't hard to come by, but like I said, not everyone is as lucky as you to get another car. Man, I knew you were cocky. Where do you live? Let's race and see how big and bad your 5spd is. NOT!
Feel sorry for me? You think I care? lol...btw, just because you got a 5spd now doesn't mean you're fast. I have beaten plenty of 5spd Maximas before. Sure, 5spds aren't hard to come by, but like I said, not everyone is as lucky as you to get another car. Man, I knew you were cocky. Where do you live? Let's race and see how big and bad your 5spd is. NOT!
not just you, but all auto owners, and yes, I am faster than before
, and yes, everyone can be as lucky as me...how hard is it to sell your car, and go out and buy a 5spd????and how exactly am i cocky??? all i said was if you want a 5spd. buy a 5spd. simple as that, not like i was saying im faster than everyone on the board, now that would be cocky...you wanna race? anytime...I live in Colorado....
02-23-2002, 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by pawn
not just you, but all auto owners, and yes, I am faster than before, and yes, everyone can be as lucky as me...how hard is it to sell your car, and go out and buy a 5spd????and how exactly am i cocky??? all i said was if you want a 5spd. buy a 5spd. simple as that, not like i was saying im faster than everyone on the board, now that would be cocky...you wanna race? anytime...I live in Colorado....
not just you, but all auto owners, and yes, I am faster than before
, and yes, everyone can be as lucky as me...how hard is it to sell your car, and go out and buy a 5spd????and how exactly am i cocky??? all i said was if you want a 5spd. buy a 5spd. simple as that, not like i was saying im faster than everyone on the board, now that would be cocky...you wanna race? anytime...I live in Colorado....
"How hard is it to sell your car, and go...????" Oh man, how can you say that?! I guess you don't get attached to your cars, huh? I could never do that. If I did want a 5-speed (don't though), I would much sooner convert than sell. So to answer your question how hard, my answer is: VERY.
02-23-2002, 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by pawn
not just you, but all auto owners, and yes, I am faster than before, and yes, everyone can be as lucky as me...how hard is it to sell your car, and go out and buy a 5spd????and how exactly am i cocky??? all i said was if you want a 5spd. buy a 5spd. simple as that, not like i was saying im faster than everyone on the board, now that would be cocky...you wanna race? anytime...I live in Colorado....
not just you, but all auto owners, and yes, I am faster than before
, and yes, everyone can be as lucky as me...how hard is it to sell your car, and go out and buy a 5spd????and how exactly am i cocky??? all i said was if you want a 5spd. buy a 5spd. simple as that, not like i was saying im faster than everyone on the board, now that would be cocky...you wanna race? anytime...I live in Colorado....
