which break pads out of those two are better?

What's the comparison on them? performance/dust(squeeking)?

which would be better for 18" aluminum rims.


thanks.

 

Well, it seems nobody else is going to answer you on this one. I've personally run both pads on & of the track and here is what I've found out. The Axxis Metal Masters are a good upgrade from stock, but only on a normally driven street car. They are very "metallic", which increases grip but also eats rotors. They also tend to fade under hard use. Heat from the pads and all that metal tends to increase the chance of boiling the brake fluid.

My experience has proven that the Poterfields are one of the best pads on the market, if not the best. They are much better than Performance Friction pads, which are carbon-metallics. They take some heat before they work. The Porterfields are carbon-kevlar and work very well right off the bat, which is good for street driving and autocrossing. The kevlar gives excellent grip and is much more friendly on the rotors. They also have a ceramic layer between the pad material and the backing plate, which disipates heat and keeps it from transfering into the caliper, keeping fluid temps much lower. I can't recommend Poterfields enough. They also work so well that they decrease pedal effort and are very hard to fade. Hope that helps!

BTW, I'd recommend some cross-drilled or at least slotted rotors to really make your brakes hold up under hard driving conditions.

 

do they give a lot of brake dust??? and which model are you reffering to???

 

To answer your question...yes..they will dust. But probably not any worse than the stock pads. Mine will start looking bad if I don't wash the car for 3 to 4 weeks. That only happens when it rains out too much. I used to have the Stillen Metal Matrix and switched to the Porterfields and have been much happier...the Porterfields hit the first time in the morning and have great stopping power. Only disadvantage is they don't come with the audible wear indicators.

 

here's what it comes down too, as mentioned earlier, Axxis metal crap is the worst brake EVER, I think that stock pads are better then these stupid pads, I could smoke them after ONE really hard breaking, and they dust like you wouldn't believe

portefields are by far a much better pad and what I noticed is that the hotter they get the better they break, that's on the steet and autoX, if you're going to go on the real track you would need something better, and they dust just as much if not less than Axxis metal crap. and also port. work well in the cold weather also

good luck

Vinipux


p.s. sorry about the ranting on axxis, it's just when I was buying new pads everybody was praising them and they turned out to be the worst things ever

 

Which model of the porterfields do you recommend?? My car is lowered on 18's, and i have stock rotors. I do some heavy braking, but rarly. I dont do autocross or anything like that, so which do u recommend??

 

You'd want to go with the R4S pads, as they are designed for street / limited competition use. The others are for full road race cars. Hope that helps.

 

thanks...wheres the cheapest place to get em??

 

directly from Porterfield. Mention maxima.org for a nice discount ; )

 

Thanks!!!

 

Seems like you're in the minority on this one. I've used the Axxis MM on my Maxima, Z, and Miata for racing (racing on the Z and Miata) and have no complaints on dust, fade, or bite. Most others for daily use are happy with them, too.

 

It must depend on the car and driving style. I've been racing my 510 for 12 years and have tried several brands with the Poterfields being the best by far. I ran the Metal Masters for a while, but one really hard day at the track and it killed my rotors and the pads, severe brake fade, etc. I got 3 years of hard work out of the Poterfields. In the Datsun 510 community, nothing has been found to beat the Porterfields. Now, for a daily driver, it might not make much of a difference, but it does if you autocross or do track days.

 

I haven't raced this 02 season because of my wrist but when I'm healthy, I'm autoXing every other weekend

 

I have to agree that there was a time when the Metal Masters were the best thing around, but with the new Carbon pads, there isn't any comparision. Just about every race car from CART to Trans-Am are all using a carbon pad. Great stuff and now at a reasonable price.

I'm thinking of hillclimbing my Maxima since I sold my Datsun 510 with 340 HP / 400 ft. lbs torque a couple months ago. I know it won't be hardly as quick, but probably still quick enough to take the class record in Street Prepared. We'll see.

 

I've tried carbon kevlar pads and did not like them for street use. For track use they are fine but for the street, they dust way too much (for lazy guys like me who don't like washing their wheels every week) and take a little longer to reach operating temperature.

 

Gosh, now i'm confused, i know the axxis metal masters take some warm up, and it gets annoying really quickly, but i didn't know the carbon kevlar needed warm up?

 

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Not all carbon kevlar pads are created equal!! There are cheap ones like Carbotechs that not all that great. The Poterfields work right away and don't require any heat, at least with the R4S compound, but the others do. At least there are several options to go with, I just needed the maximum performance I could get and found them to be the best.

 

I didn't like the KVRs I used. I've never tried Porterfield so no experience there.

 

Wow, the Porterfield are much more expensive compared to Metal Master.

Front.......$89.00 versus $49.00
Rear........$69.00 versus $39.00

Wow!

 

First, the Poterfields don't need heat to work, but the same can't be said for many other pads. As far as price goes, there is a club discount so they are less than that and you also get what you pay for. Looking at it from a cost/performance ratio, it's worth the money. You also have to figure that the Metal Masters are a lot harder on rotors due to the large amount of metal in them, so you'll be replacing rotors more often.

 

Funny this is the same exact way I feel....now I have about $90 down the drain because I'm not sure what the "warranty" is on pads I've only had on my car for about 1 month.

 

R4S Fronts AP430 ($89.00 Retail) - MaximaDriver.com Price@ $69.00

R4S Rears AP540 ($69.00 Retail) - MaximaDriver.com Price @ $49.00

Both AP430 & AP540 R4S pads ($158.00 Retail) - MaximaDriver.com Price @ $118.00

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The above discount has been a maximadriver.com/maxima.org group deal for a few years now. As for the brakes themselves, I've very please with their performance. Though I don't feel the biggest difference on the streets (below 30mph) I can definately feel the BITE from high speeds such as 80 to 40 or 60 to 20. And the great thing is, just as everyone mentioned, they're make of a carbon/kelvar composite (rotor friendly).

 

I just brought a pair of rear Metal Masters and had planned to have them installed this week. I currently have Metal Masters on the front. I don't do any racing at the track, just running up and down the street and city driving.

Would it be negative to have Metal Masters on the front and Porterfields on the rear?

 

these prices are wrong, if you call portefield then they will say that 1) he wasn't suppose to have these prices on the website, 2) I think it's only $25-$30 more for the set so it's definatly worth it

good luck

Vinipux

 

From past experience, I would not recommend that. With a set of MM on the front, you have more bite up front, which is OK. If you put Poterfields on the rear, which have more bite than MMs, you may end up with too much rear brake bias and having the rears lock up is not a safe thing as you can easily spin the car. I'd go with some regular organics or MMs, but still highly recommend using the same pads front & rear to keep the factory brake bias balance. Hope that helps.

 

Technically you are probably right. But Nissan probably set up the rear brakes to NEVER over brake the rears( for safety and liability reasons). So if anything, a little more rear braking performance is probably a good thing. I don't see any problem using different pads in the front/rear. The difference in pad performance is probably not nearly enough to make any measurable difference in the front/rear bias.

 

As a general rule, I'd have to agree but not when talking about the Poterfields. It's better to error on the side of safety. There is a huge difference in pad performance. On several custom built Datsun 510s I've done where we've put bigger brakes on them, the metal masters really didn't have enough bite where we contemplated having to add a brake booster. The pads where replaced with Poterfields and the fronts locked up with half the effort. Going off that experience and seeing that the Poterfields require much less pedal effort than everything else I've tried, I'd rather have someone have a safe braking car. Just my 2 cents.

 

The strange thing is I've never really read too many people commenting that the Poterfields were SIGNIFICANTLY that much better than other brands(for the maxima). It wasn't your experience and I don't question your facts but I'm just saying, I haven't read reliable concensus stating any brakes pads(for street use) were much better than the other(in the sport oriented catagory). I've read posts where some cheapie pads were much WORSE than others however.

BTW. I had a set of 280zx front struts and calipers on my old 510. I should have upgraded the master cylinder also. The extra pedal travel was unnerving at first! For a cheap booster upgrade, I hear the Datsun 610 automatic vaccum booster works very well.

 

Are Raybestos Quiet Stop good pads for 2002 Maxima? I am trying to replace my fron pads and trying to see which ones I should? I know alot of people are saying good things about Porterfield R4S pads.

 

I have the fastbrakes kit with Wilwood Street pads for the fronts. I just got some Axxis Metal Masters for my rears, I need new rears and they were on group deal so I figure I'll try them out ($35 for rear set). I'm going to install everything hopefully before mid June.

 

What is the email or telephone number in order to get the Poterfield brakes.