alright, seriuosly, why is the 95 faster?
05-05-2002, 06:38 PM
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alright, seriuosly, why is the 95 faster?
I always hear less restriction blah blah, well from what? and I know all the 4th gens have the exact same engine. The engine in my moms 98 sounds tons differnent than my 95 tho, stock for stock. Can anyone tell me why that is? I've always wondered why...
05-05-2002, 06:40 PM
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The '95's are the lightest, that is the main factor here.
Also, I BELIEVE, our air flow is less restricted, since emissions got stricter as the years went on, or somethin' like that. But don't quote me becuase last time I talked 'emissions', MZMTG and medic got on my case for it.
All I know is, we sure are fast...
Also, I BELIEVE, our air flow is less restricted, since emissions got stricter as the years went on, or somethin' like that. But don't quote me becuase last time I talked 'emissions', MZMTG and medic got on my case for it.
All I know is, we sure are fast...
05-05-2002, 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by jules
The different sounds from your engine and your moms could also be due to age and wear.
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The different sounds from your engine and your moms could also be due to age and wear.
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05-05-2002, 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by SLC I30t
the 95's are OBD1 which as mentioned before have less strict CARB and EPS standards. Resulting in a few more FWHP ponies.
the 95's are OBD1 which as mentioned before have less strict CARB and EPS standards. Resulting in a few more FWHP ponies.
05-05-2002, 07:23 PM
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I'm not an expert, but from what I've been told is that the OBD1 cars have less strict EPA standards, not constrictive piping. The placement of the O2 sensors differ as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the EVAP stuff is apart of the OBD2 systems and not the OBD1? Weight wise, I doubt there is much of a difference.
05-05-2002, 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by SLC I30t
I'm not an expert, but from what I've been told is that the OBD1 cars have less strict EPA standards, not constrictive piping. The placement of the O2 sensors differ as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the EVAP stuff is apart of the OBD2 systems and not the OBD1? Weight wise, I doubt there is much of a difference.
I'm not an expert, but from what I've been told is that the OBD1 cars have less strict EPA standards, not constrictive piping. The placement of the O2 sensors differ as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the EVAP stuff is apart of the OBD2 systems and not the OBD1? Weight wise, I doubt there is much of a difference.
05-05-2002, 07:36 PM
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The 95-96 cars have lighter bumper suport structures. Also, for some reason they feel "peppier" I dont know why, they just do...
Craig, I was just picking on the term you invented "speed emissions"
Craig, I was just picking on the term you invented "speed emissions"
05-05-2002, 09:37 PM
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sorry guys..but i have to =( on the 95-96....the back trunk is just naaaaaasty....taht groove in the back of the trunk just ruins the car. can't beat the trunk of the 97-99 that is what made maxima the maxima if you think about it...thats why 5th gen was misdesigned because that nice expensive looking trunk was ruined IMO
05-05-2002, 09:38 PM
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bumpers
yah, well, i wish i had those stronger bumpers, geez ive seen the comparison pics of the 95s to the 97s and its like over a thousand $$ difference for the same 5mph wreck. geez. what about trannies etc... are those left the same?
05-05-2002, 10:05 PM
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u kno, today my cars battery was dead so i took my dads 95 and damn it felt GOOD compared to my 97, theres just sumthin bout it, it revs a bit more easily too, but sumhow my 97 i can feel a lil better torque? i dunno if it has to do with my suspension on my 97 feeling a bit smoother and my tires being slightly better even tho both my struts and tires are pretty worn, the ride on my 97 is still better than my 95, but my dad got hit on the front fender and bumper on his car so his suspension is messed up on one side a bit...butyea the 95 does sumhow feel faster, ive asked this before too..same answers with the restrictions, but i was wondering, would a 95 with a CAI and Y pipe and Catback system be faster than a 97 with those same mods? cuz dont these mods, especially the Y, remove sum of these restrictions??
05-05-2002, 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by PejMax97SE
Their NOTT faster
for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
Their NOTT faster
for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
05-06-2002, 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by PejMax97SE
Their NOTT faster for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
Their NOTT faster
for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
i mean that in a good way though.
05-06-2002, 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by SLC I30t
I'm not an expert, but from what I've been told is that the OBD1 cars have less strict EPA standards, not constrictive piping. The placement of the O2 sensors differ as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the EVAP stuff is apart of the OBD2 systems and not the OBD1? Weight wise, I doubt there is much of a difference.
I'm not an expert, but from what I've been told is that the OBD1 cars have less strict EPA standards, not constrictive piping. The placement of the O2 sensors differ as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the EVAP stuff is apart of the OBD2 systems and not the OBD1? Weight wise, I doubt there is much of a difference.
If I'm not mistaken, Louie is correct. That is why they did a voluntary recall on the Emissions systems in 96 Maxima's. It was a new thing for the Max, and they had not worked out all the bugs yet. The point being that the 95's do not have the same emissions system as 96+ Maxima's...
05-06-2002, 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by PejMax97SE
Their NOTT faster for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
Their NOTT faster
for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
05-06-2002, 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by maxwillden
If I'm not mistaken, Louie is correct. That is why they did a voluntary recall on the Emissions systems in 96 Maxima's. It was a new thing for the Max, and they had not worked out all the bugs yet. The point being that the 95's do not have the same emissions system as 96+ Maxima's...
If I'm not mistaken, Louie is correct. That is why they did a voluntary recall on the Emissions systems in 96 Maxima's. It was a new thing for the Max, and they had not worked out all the bugs yet. The point being that the 95's do not have the same emissions system as 96+ Maxima's...
05-06-2002, 11:19 AM
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Just wanted to add that when I banged up my front bumper the metal re-enforcement on the 95 was an aluminium one the replacement I got was metal. Yes it was for the 95s apparently no more aluminium ones are available.
Could explain the some of the weight differences.
Could explain the some of the weight differences.
05-06-2002, 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by iregula
sorry guys..but i have to =( on the 95-96....the back trunk is just naaaaaasty....taht groove in the back of the trunk just ruins the car. can't beat the trunk of the 97-99 that is what made maxima the maxima if you think about it...thats why 5th gen was misdesigned because that nice expensive looking trunk was ruined IMO
sorry guys..but i have to =( on the 95-96....the back trunk is just naaaaaasty....taht groove in the back of the trunk just ruins the car. can't beat the trunk of the 97-99 that is what made maxima the maxima if you think about it...thats why 5th gen was misdesigned because that nice expensive looking trunk was ruined IMO
The 97-99's look to small, neat and feminine. It's all thinner and squished, and makes me think of sporty little girls.
The 95-96 with a spoiler and clear/red's looks the most muscular IMHO.
05-06-2002, 01:26 PM
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Jeese, this lame argument again 
The difference in weight is maybe 20-lbs. The 97+s aren't that much safer either. A off-set 40mph crash has a different result everytime. Don't be mislead into believing that stronger bumpers are going to somehow increase the safety of the car by a large margin. It's just not going to happen unless you redo the safety cage...........which Nissan didn't do.
The reason the 97+s "might" be a little slower is the additional rotational weight of the 5 spoke 16s vs the 95-96 15s and a slightly more kinked B-pipe. Emissions mean nothing. At WOT, the emissions system is completely bypassed. OBDI, OBDII, whatever, revolves around the MAF, O2 sensors, baro sensor, cat, and temp sensor. At WOT, the ECU pays no attention to these systems and goes into a preset fuel map. Only during part throttle cruise is when the emissions system is working. The difference in performance between these cars is neglible for the most part. There are plenty of guys running mid 14s in the their 95-96s as there are guys running mid 14s in the 97+s. I have a 96 and I'm not so ignorant to think my car is any quicker than a similiarly modded 97+. For the most part, it's the driver that counts.
Dave
The difference in weight is maybe 20-lbs. The 97+s aren't that much safer either. A off-set 40mph crash has a different result everytime. Don't be mislead into believing that stronger bumpers are going to somehow increase the safety of the car by a large margin. It's just not going to happen unless you redo the safety cage...........which Nissan didn't do.The reason the 97+s "might" be a little slower is the additional rotational weight of the 5 spoke 16s vs the 95-96 15s and a slightly more kinked B-pipe. Emissions mean nothing. At WOT, the emissions system is completely bypassed. OBDI, OBDII, whatever, revolves around the MAF, O2 sensors, baro sensor, cat, and temp sensor. At WOT, the ECU pays no attention to these systems and goes into a preset fuel map. Only during part throttle cruise is when the emissions system is working. The difference in performance between these cars is neglible for the most part. There are plenty of guys running mid 14s in the their 95-96s as there are guys running mid 14s in the 97+s. I have a 96 and I'm not so ignorant to think my car is any quicker than a similiarly modded 97+. For the most part, it's the driver that counts.
Dave
05-06-2002, 01:55 PM
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this question may never be answered...
most importantly - even if there is a difference, it would be so small that it would not matter anyway. It's not like 95-96 owners will win races against 97-99s because of this difference.
most importantly - even if there is a difference, it would be so small that it would not matter anyway. It's not like 95-96 owners will win races against 97-99s because of this difference.
05-06-2002, 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by black019
you sir, are an idiot.
i mean that in a good way though.
you sir, are an idiot.
i mean that in a good way though.
It seems the more miles these engines get on them, the faster they are. I'm very close to getting 15.5 or even 15.4 stock and I have over 90,000 on my auto. I just need a little more traction and I'm there.
05-06-2002, 05:53 PM
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My maxima is fater than my friends' 97
Originally posted by PejMax97SE
Their NOTT faster for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
Their NOTT faster
for the last time. Not even by a little bit. Not even by .1 second. Infact, a stock 95 5sp would be theoretically slower than a stock 98 or 99 5sp since the engine will have more miles.
I raced him like 3 times, and I beat him all the time. (Both AUTOs)
A week ago, he was going in front of me and suddenly GUNNED it, I gunned my max expecting to barely follow him because I started late, and guess what, I passed him.
(I know, I was surprised too, and he was ****ed).Anyways, I think either my 95 max is faster than 97 or my friend's 97 has some serious trouble.
05-06-2002, 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by guido_sst
I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but most 1995s are OBD-II, not OBD-I. All 95's made after mid-February of 1995 are OBD-II, but the emissions requirements aren't as strict as the later years.
I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but most 1995s are OBD-II, not OBD-I. All 95's made after mid-February of 1995 are OBD-II, but the emissions requirements aren't as strict as the later years.
As for 1995 being any faster, I'm not so sure. I haven't seen any 1995's with dyno numbers any better than later years...
