Hung with an M5??
05-27-2002, 06:44 PM
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Hung with an M5??
I was cruising up the Merritt Pkwy, in a line going about 70-75. There was some clear roadway ahead on the right, but a slow poke up ahead, so it wouldn't be worth launching down it.
But an arrogant M5 (maybe '98-00?) came flying up the right side. I was tailgating the guy in front of me a little, so there wasn't room. But the b@stard went for it anyway! Nearly clipped me. So I lean on my high beams and horn, to let him know he's ticked me off. He brakes, then brakes a little more, forcing me to brake just to rub it in. I let him have the "strobing high beam" treatment for a few seconds.
A channel clears to the right, and so he takes off. I downshift into 4th and go after him. I *should* have gone to 3rd, but by the time I realized it, it was a little too late. I just floored it in 4th.
Well, I couldn't believe it. He wasn't pulling away--I kept right up with him. We flew from 75 up to 115. That's just a little too fast for the twisty, windy Merritt. So, I had to back off as traffic was getting dense ahead.
But no, Mr. M5 had to keep going. Like I'd turned him from Dr. Jekyl into Mr. Hyde, he just zipped in between cars nearly clipping all of them, then floored into open road beyond. Hehehe... what a jerk.
Anyway, the whole point for mentioning this--I'm straight stock engine wise. And I know I didn't use my gears to my full advantage, yet I kept up with him. Does that make any sense? Or was he just not using his car to HIS advantage?
But an arrogant M5 (maybe '98-00?) came flying up the right side. I was tailgating the guy in front of me a little, so there wasn't room. But the b@stard went for it anyway! Nearly clipped me. So I lean on my high beams and horn, to let him know he's ticked me off. He brakes, then brakes a little more, forcing me to brake just to rub it in. I let him have the "strobing high beam" treatment for a few seconds.
A channel clears to the right, and so he takes off. I downshift into 4th and go after him. I *should* have gone to 3rd, but by the time I realized it, it was a little too late. I just floored it in 4th.
Well, I couldn't believe it. He wasn't pulling away--I kept right up with him. We flew from 75 up to 115. That's just a little too fast for the twisty, windy Merritt. So, I had to back off as traffic was getting dense ahead.
But no, Mr. M5 had to keep going. Like I'd turned him from Dr. Jekyl into Mr. Hyde, he just zipped in between cars nearly clipping all of them, then floored into open road beyond. Hehehe... what a jerk.
Anyway, the whole point for mentioning this--I'm straight stock engine wise. And I know I didn't use my gears to my full advantage, yet I kept up with him. Does that make any sense? Or was he just not using his car to HIS advantage?
05-27-2002, 06:49 PM
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Re: Hung with an M5??
Originally posted by Gary95
Anyway, the whole point for mentioning this--I'm straight stock engine wise. And I know I didn't use my gears to my full advantage, yet I kept up with him. Does that make any sense? Or was he just not using his car to HIS advantage?
Anyway, the whole point for mentioning this--I'm straight stock engine wise. And I know I didn't use my gears to my full advantage, yet I kept up with him. Does that make any sense? Or was he just not using his car to HIS advantage?
05-27-2002, 07:58 PM
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The reason you hung with him
The reason you hung with him was because of those painted altezzas. They give you more HP. 
-Ian
PS- I'm going to try that exact same mod but paint the clear black except for the little around the break light. Its going on my beige 1995 gxe. hopefully it'll turn out good.
-Ian
PS- I'm going to try that exact same mod but paint the clear black except for the little around the break light. Its going on my beige 1995 gxe. hopefully it'll turn out good.
05-27-2002, 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by AndyXXL
If he has an M5 doesn't mean he can drive. From what you described, it seems that he's either stupid or very inexperienced, or both.
Also, I would like to clarify that not all BMW drivers are such morons
If he has an M5 doesn't mean he can drive. From what you described, it seems that he's either stupid or very inexperienced, or both.
Also, I would like to clarify that not all BMW drivers are such morons
On a side note to all of the V8 lovers in the crowd. I hear all the time how nice an american V8 sounds, but compare it to a german v8...no comparison one sounds highly tuned like a symphony and the american more like a garage grunge band. Its a shame.
05-27-2002, 09:26 PM
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Re: Hung with an M5??
Originally posted by Gary95
I was cruising up the Merritt Pkwy, in a line going about 70-75. There was some clear roadway ahead on the right, but a slow poke up ahead, so it wouldn't be worth launching down it.
But an arrogant M5 (maybe '98-00?) came flying up the right side. I was tailgating the guy in front of me a little, so there wasn't room. But the b@stard went for it anyway! Nearly clipped me. So I lean on my high beams and horn, to let him know he's ticked me off. He brakes, then brakes a little more, forcing me to brake just to rub it in. I let him have the "strobing high beam" treatment for a few seconds.
A channel clears to the right, and so he takes off. I downshift into 4th and go after him. I *should* have gone to 3rd, but by the time I realized it, it was a little too late. I just floored it in 4th.
Well, I couldn't believe it. He wasn't pulling away--I kept right up with him. We flew from 75 up to 115. That's just a little too fast for the twisty, windy Merritt. So, I had to back off as traffic was getting dense ahead.
But no, Mr. M5 had to keep going. Like I'd turned him from Dr. Jekyl into Mr. Hyde, he just zipped in between cars nearly clipping all of them, then floored into open road beyond. Hehehe... what a jerk.
Anyway, the whole point for mentioning this--I'm straight stock engine wise. And I know I didn't use my gears to my full advantage, yet I kept up with him. Does that make any sense? Or was he just not using his car to HIS advantage?
I was cruising up the Merritt Pkwy, in a line going about 70-75. There was some clear roadway ahead on the right, but a slow poke up ahead, so it wouldn't be worth launching down it.
But an arrogant M5 (maybe '98-00?) came flying up the right side. I was tailgating the guy in front of me a little, so there wasn't room. But the b@stard went for it anyway! Nearly clipped me. So I lean on my high beams and horn, to let him know he's ticked me off. He brakes, then brakes a little more, forcing me to brake just to rub it in. I let him have the "strobing high beam" treatment for a few seconds.
A channel clears to the right, and so he takes off. I downshift into 4th and go after him. I *should* have gone to 3rd, but by the time I realized it, it was a little too late. I just floored it in 4th.
Well, I couldn't believe it. He wasn't pulling away--I kept right up with him. We flew from 75 up to 115. That's just a little too fast for the twisty, windy Merritt. So, I had to back off as traffic was getting dense ahead.
But no, Mr. M5 had to keep going. Like I'd turned him from Dr. Jekyl into Mr. Hyde, he just zipped in between cars nearly clipping all of them, then floored into open road beyond. Hehehe... what a jerk.
Anyway, the whole point for mentioning this--I'm straight stock engine wise. And I know I didn't use my gears to my full advantage, yet I kept up with him. Does that make any sense? Or was he just not using his car to HIS advantage?
But seriously, please don't *** around at 100mph on the packed Merritt. Even if some a@@hole cuts you off, give him the finger, or whatever gesture/strobe light treatment you want and he deserves. Call his plate in. Tell 'em he's doing 100mph and the car stinks like weed.
But chasing an obvious a@@hole no matter what he's driving in bobbing in and out of dense traffic is just plain stupid.
Dead kids and chicks are never cool.....
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05-27-2002, 10:26 PM
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I've sat in an M5 with a car full of ppl before. That thing is **** fast. It pulled HARD even with 5 ppl in it. Just having a fast car doesn't mean you can drive like a d1ck...You shoulda bought the $4.99 toolset they sold at kragen a while ago for situations like this. See who has the last laugh once that tool set hits his car going 100mph. 
P.S. - If you do decide to do this, don't tell the cop you got the idea from me... JsL
P.S. - If you do decide to do this, don't tell the cop you got the idea from me...
JsL
05-28-2002, 01:10 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Hung with an M5??
Originally posted by jlharris_50010
Sorry... I doubt even a heavily modified max could hang with an M5... We couldn't even hang with an M3... A friend of mine has a 97 M3 and he let me drive it! My god!
Sorry... I doubt even a heavily modified max could hang with an M5... We couldn't even hang with an M3... A friend of mine has a 97 M3 and he let me drive it! My god!
05-28-2002, 03:49 AM
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Yeah, I thought about it later and did the math: 190 vs. 400. Heh, no way would that M5 have a tough time keeping me away.
The "scramble" zone was clear--anyone could have floored it for about 30~60 secs before having to cut back. He could have left me in the dust... I only chased him because the traffic was clear at that point. Safety is #1 in my book.
If his recklessness within the congestetd traffic was any indication of his intelligence, well, then I'm sure he wasn't using his car to the best of its ability. Or maybe he wanted to get a better look at Greg's grille.
But yeah, those rocket engine "exhaust port" Altezzas help a little, don't they?
The "scramble" zone was clear--anyone could have floored it for about 30~60 secs before having to cut back. He could have left me in the dust... I only chased him because the traffic was clear at that point. Safety is #1 in my book.
If his recklessness within the congestetd traffic was any indication of his intelligence, well, then I'm sure he wasn't using his car to the best of its ability. Or maybe he wanted to get a better look at Greg's grille.
But yeah, those rocket engine "exhaust port" Altezzas help a little, don't they?
05-28-2002, 06:05 AM
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Gary, what color was it? >>
Was this on Friday evening? I encountered an idiot of an M5 driver...some snot-faced dude with a car-accessory girlfriend zipping through traffic on I95 South. He cut off half a dozen people, but not before he passed a guy in the right lane by driving on the shoulder.
05-28-2002, 06:33 AM
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Have you ever driven a stock M3? I don't think that they make them with auto's do they?
Here is the specs on a 1997 M3:
http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/m3info.html
Here is a 1997 Maxima:
http://www.cobrow.com/cobrow/docs/Ca...an_Maxima.html
I'll break it down for you:
M3 0-60 5.5 seconds
Max 0-60 7.9 Seconds...
You think you could keep up?
Here is the specs on a 1997 M3:
http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/m3info.html
Here is a 1997 Maxima:
http://www.cobrow.com/cobrow/docs/Ca...an_Maxima.html
I'll break it down for you:
M3 0-60 5.5 seconds
Max 0-60 7.9 Seconds...
You think you could keep up?
05-28-2002, 06:38 AM
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I've told this story before but there was a night that toolrocks, myself and seoh2max all were playing with mid 90's M3. They aren't that tough on the go. I'm sure he could've dusted me in the turns, but on the freeway, he wasn't going anywhere I wasn't. We on each other from the time he started playin till we hit traffic. All in all we were a good match up. I'm sure I would've pulled away since I'm not speed monitored past 135. But he wasn't pulling on me. I am modified though, it would be very different if I was stock.
05-28-2002, 07:29 AM
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Re: I've driven one too >>
Originally posted by Albertt
And even with the 5-speed auto, an E36 M3 will smoke a 4th Gen.
And even with the 5-speed auto, an E36 M3 will smoke a 4th Gen.
05-28-2002, 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by jlharris_50010
Have you ever driven a stock M3? I don't think that they make them with auto's do they?
Here is the specs on a 1997 M3:
http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/m3info.html
Here is a 1997 Maxima:
http://www.cobrow.com/cobrow/docs/Ca...an_Maxima.html
I'll break it down for you:
M3 0-60 5.5 seconds
Max 0-60 7.9 Seconds...
You think you could keep up?
Have you ever driven a stock M3? I don't think that they make them with auto's do they?
Here is the specs on a 1997 M3:
http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/m3info.html
Here is a 1997 Maxima:
http://www.cobrow.com/cobrow/docs/Ca...an_Maxima.html
I'll break it down for you:
M3 0-60 5.5 seconds
Max 0-60 7.9 Seconds...
You think you could keep up?
I'll break it down 1/4mile style: 5-speed E36 M3s typically run mid to high 14s, 5-speed maximas typically run high 14s to low 15s....on an average thats a difference of less than a half second down the 1/4 mile.
I don't "think" that I could keep up....I KNOW that I have kept up with (stock) and BEATEN (my bolt-ons) several M3s.
05-28-2002, 07:51 AM
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Hmmm, I drove a 1997 4-door M3 >>
Originally posted by SLC I30t
I believe they have a 4 speed auto and a 5spd manual. Off the line they will smoke a stock 4th gen. but rolling, I know from experience that they won't.
I believe they have a 4 speed auto and a 5spd manual. Off the line they will smoke a stock 4th gen. but rolling, I know from experience that they won't.
Here's some more proof:
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1997/bmw...tml?id=lin0062
05-28-2002, 08:03 AM
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You are smoking crack... 0-60 time doesn't matter... Maybe I did quote a slow 0-60 for the max but it doesn't matter.
Don't get me wrong... I love the Maxima. I think that it is an extremley well designed car, and that it has one of the best V-6's on the market. However, the BMW M class is head and shoulders above any car out there.
1997 M3
3.2-liter inline 6
240 hp @ 6000RPM
Torque, 236 ft-lbs @ 3800
Curb Weight: 3150 lbs
1997 Maxima
3.0-liter dohc 24v V6
190hp @ 5600 RPM
Torque, 205 ft-lbs @ 4000
Min. curb weight 3085 lbs
Less than 100 pounds heavier and 50 more horses... You can't claim that a stock Max could keep up!
The Germans are too good...
However, looking at bang for the buck the max is the king!
Don't get me wrong... I love the Maxima. I think that it is an extremley well designed car, and that it has one of the best V-6's on the market. However, the BMW M class is head and shoulders above any car out there.
1997 M3
3.2-liter inline 6
240 hp @ 6000RPM
Torque, 236 ft-lbs @ 3800
Curb Weight: 3150 lbs
1997 Maxima
3.0-liter dohc 24v V6
190hp @ 5600 RPM
Torque, 205 ft-lbs @ 4000
Min. curb weight 3085 lbs
Less than 100 pounds heavier and 50 more horses... You can't claim that a stock Max could keep up!
The Germans are too good...
However, looking at bang for the buck the max is the king!
05-28-2002, 08:08 AM
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Re: Hmmm, I drove a 1997 4-door M3 >>
Originally posted by Albertt
I'm sure it was a 5-speed auto. I love that dark green color on M3s...
Here's some more proof:
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1997/bmw...tml?id=lin0062
I'm sure it was a 5-speed auto. I love that dark green color on M3s...
Here's some more proof:
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1997/bmw...tml?id=lin0062
05-28-2002, 08:16 AM
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Re: Re: Hmmm, I drove a 1997 4-door M3 >>
Originally posted by SLC I30t
it says 5 spd tranny. nothing about being an auto. Regaurdless whether it has 5 on a stick or a "D". Its not a godsent car till you get to the 333hp.
it says 5 spd tranny. nothing about being an auto. Regaurdless whether it has 5 on a stick or a "D". Its not a godsent car till you get to the 333hp.
Stock for stock I think that the BMW will move ahead.
to support this I'll ask anyone of us to watch some GT racing and look to see how many M3's are on the circuit. It is simply a street legal race car. But don't go on through life thinking that they are untouchable. Really the 2 shouldn't be compared, the M is modified from the factory. A GTR and an M3 are more suited for comparison. Both designed for performance and handling. When Nissan starts selling Modified Maxima's with performance engine hardware then they can shown in the same picture. Also leaving me to realize that even if a stock 4th gen or a mildly modified I30 can show an M3 a good time it shows the nissan is a better car, coming in almost 15k less.
05-28-2002, 08:32 AM
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Re: Re: Hmmm, I drove a 1997 4-door M3 >>
Originally posted by SLC I30t
it says 5 spd tranny. nothing about being an auto. Regaurdless whether it has 5 on a stick or a "D". Its not a godsent car till you get to the 333hp.
it says 5 spd tranny. nothing about being an auto. Regaurdless whether it has 5 on a stick or a "D". Its not a godsent car till you get to the 333hp.
"Automatic 5-Speed Transmission........+ $495 "
just to clear that up. although, that has nothing to do with proving anyone's point.
05-28-2002, 08:35 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Hmmm, I drove a 1997 4-door M3 >>
Originally posted by Newman
under "Price with Options" it says:
"Automatic 5-Speed Transmission........+ $495 "
just to clear that up. although, that has nothing to do with proving anyone's point.
under "Price with Options" it says:
"Automatic 5-Speed Transmission........+ $495 "
just to clear that up. although, that has nothing to do with proving anyone's point.
05-28-2002, 09:15 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Hung with an M5??
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
stock E36 M3s aren't that impressive....if you had said '02 M3...then a "my god" would be approiate...but a stock 97 M3 isn't that much quicker than your maxima 5-speed....if it's an auto....you can beat it.
stock E36 M3s aren't that impressive....if you had said '02 M3...then a "my god" would be approiate...but a stock 97 M3 isn't that much quicker than your maxima 5-speed....if it's an auto....you can beat it.
05-28-2002, 09:16 AM
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I really doubt it was an M5. I was in an M5 with 3 other people and it was amazing.. There is kits out there to make a normal 5 series look like an m5.. It was probably a 528 with the kit.. More comparable.
05-30-2002, 10:13 AM
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Re: Gary, what color was it? >>
Originally posted by Albertt
Was this on Friday evening? I encountered an idiot of an M5 driver...some snot-faced dude with a car-accessory girlfriend zipping through traffic on I95 South. He cut off half a dozen people, but not before he passed a guy in the right lane by driving on the shoulder.
Was this on Friday evening? I encountered an idiot of an M5 driver...some snot-faced dude with a car-accessory girlfriend zipping through traffic on I95 South. He cut off half a dozen people, but not before he passed a guy in the right lane by driving on the shoulder.
This was on Monday. It was fairly dark out, so I couldn't tell if he had a passenger. But I do believe that the M5 was dark blue in color. Not to knock Andy, but I have seen quite a few M3 and M5 owners who are arrogant about their German muscle and are eager to flex it in your face. The other ~60% I've seen drive more civilized.
05-30-2002, 11:32 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Hung with an M5??
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
stock E36 M3s aren't that impressive....
stock E36 M3s aren't that impressive....
You're crazy, I think they are awesome. I haven't been here in a while........ANDYXXL is sporting a 330ci now? Nice move!
Congrats!
06-03-2002, 06:21 AM
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maybe the M5 driver was phil96se 
j/k
anyway.. an E36 M3 can't beat a bolt on 5spd 4th Gen Maxima.. i don't care how many magazine you read... its not happening..
you can do power to weight all you want.. but you should also pull out dyno graph's if you want to get technical and also gear ratios.. you think pulling up numbers is going to explain why some cars are faster than others?
i mean jeez.. a v6 mustang has 225ish hp and it weighs around 3200 lbs.. but a 4th Gen maxima has 190 hp and it weighs around 3100 lbs .. and everyone knows a 5spd Maxima will smoke the living crap out of a v6 Mustang.. come on guy.. put down the magazines and get out of hte house...
if you are going to get technical about specs.. do it right.. lets see some gear ratios and dyno charts...
don't also forget cars like GTP's run low 14's stock and trap out at low 90's.. but a VW GTI runs low 15's and trap out at low 90's.. whats strange here? hmm... they both trap out at low 90's.. which mean at highway speeds its all up to driver.. even though the GTP runs low 14's and the GTI runs low 15's.. when you pull the dyno sheet and the gearing.. then you will full understand.. weight and hp doesn't mean ****..
j/kanyway.. an E36 M3 can't beat a bolt on 5spd 4th Gen Maxima.. i don't care how many magazine you read... its not happening..
you can do power to weight all you want.. but you should also pull out dyno graph's if you want to get technical and also gear ratios.. you think pulling up numbers is going to explain why some cars are faster than others?
i mean jeez.. a v6 mustang has 225ish hp and it weighs around 3200 lbs.. but a 4th Gen maxima has 190 hp and it weighs around 3100 lbs .. and everyone knows a 5spd Maxima will smoke the living crap out of a v6 Mustang.. come on guy.. put down the magazines and get out of hte house...
if you are going to get technical about specs.. do it right.. lets see some gear ratios and dyno charts...
don't also forget cars like GTP's run low 14's stock and trap out at low 90's.. but a VW GTI runs low 15's and trap out at low 90's.. whats strange here? hmm... they both trap out at low 90's.. which mean at highway speeds its all up to driver.. even though the GTP runs low 14's and the GTI runs low 15's.. when you pull the dyno sheet and the gearing.. then you will full understand.. weight and hp doesn't mean ****..
06-03-2002, 08:12 AM
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hehe. i just got done reading this thread and i love how alot of u think maxima is a "sports car" 
I know we are happy for our maxes but we could bring it down to a realistic level and understand that the max will always be a family sedan..and people with Bmws Camaros and Mustangs will always have little or no respect even though we can beat some if we are modded ourselves..Just like some of u guys have no respect for say civics even though U can do them up to high hell and leave alot of cars in the dust with a modded one..if u got beat u would think in your mind, Still a civic...just my 2 cents. I dont see any need to post "hung with a M5" PeAcE
I know we are happy for our maxes but we could bring it down to a realistic level and understand that the max will always be a family sedan..and people with Bmws Camaros and Mustangs will always have little or no respect even though we can beat some if we are modded ourselves..Just like some of u guys have no respect for say civics even though U can do them up to high hell and leave alot of cars in the dust with a modded one..if u got beat u would think in your mind, Still a civic...just my 2 cents. I dont see any need to post "hung with a M5" PeAcE
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