karguy

Have any of you done any research or used AC products by Enviro-Safe? This product (ES-12a) is supposed to be 32% more efficient than R12 and even more efficient than R-134a. It seems the EPA gods made us use a less efficient refrigerant (R-134a) in the name of global warming. By using a more efficient refrigerant in our older AC systems we can recover some of the efficiency we have lost.
Link to their site: www.autocool-refrigerants.com/product.htm
A case of 12 cans is $69.00 + HAZMAT Charge (Includes Shipping).
They will give quantity discounts. Is this something we would want to pursue a Group Deal on? I believe the price drops to approximately $30.00 per case of 12 cans in quantities of 100 cases.
Your thoughts & ideas.
Be well!!!!

Eric L.

All 4th gens use R134a refridgerant. Can you even put R12 (or R12a) in the system?

rmb

No....

Good old freon required different pressures which resulted in different seals/lines, etc....

-RMB

karguy

The ES 12a is compatible with R 134A and can be used in R 134a systems.

pocketrocket

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Actually, R12 was breaking down the ozone layer. R134a doesn't have the same ozone-robbing effects BUT it does contribute to the greenhouse effect, hence R134a is actually causing global warming ... we just don't get cancer-baked, that's all.

Even though is is compatible with R134a systems, the question is will shops work on your car if they know you have a refrigerant blend? Chances are, a refrigerant ID machine will point out it's not R134a so A/C shops will not hook up their machines to your car because they don't want to contamintae the pure R134a that they have in their tank. A point to consider - check with your A/C shop and see what they say.