Out of curiosity... What other _sedan_ out there can be equipped with:

- V6
- 6-speed manual transmission
- limited slip differential

Is there anything beside M5 ?

 

I think the TL-S will eventually be available with a 6-er...

 

caddillac cts (i think)

btw.. i dont think m5 is a v6

 

M5=v8...dont play with thoes...it'll beat you...tear your *** off...run circles around you....and give your *** back.

 

 

man that is one mean car it'll spank yu come back toy with yu be yur friend challenge it and make yu eat yur a@# for breakfast,lunch and dinner

 

the new Caddy is still a 5 speed.

Nothing like it right now.

 

hundai tiburon is a 6spd v-6 with 255hp. its also lighter then the 2k2's. but botton line its still a hundai.

 

Tiburon is a 181hp 2.7L V6

 

yea tiburon is 181hp, and is the m5 a v8? i thought all BMW were inline.

 

Tiberon is not a sedan... or is there a sedan version?

It looks like there is no _sedan_ that offers:
v6
6-speed manual trans.
limited slip differential

 

yeah ur right i jsut checked th site, just misinformed, mybad.

 

Not even close:

For 2003 here's the specs:
140HP for the four, and 181HP for the six.
And as far as weight? Over 3000 Lbs, not so light.

However, I still like Hyundai, I own a 2000 Black Elantra which my girlfriend uses. And funny thing is it's warranty spanks my Nissan's. Hyundai gives 5yrs/unlimited roadside, compared to the 0/0 on my Maxima.

[but you'll never see me in another hyundai, not after driving a Maxima!]

 

G35 6spd...only 4 months wait time left.

 

they all are Tiburon is a Hyundai remember

 

Doesn't the IS300 come with a 6 speed?

 

The real reason Hyundai has such a long warranty is so that finance companys will deal with them. Their resale is so bad, they usually attract bragain hunters with bad credit who can hardly afford the car, nevermind the repairs. I've been in the auto finance industry 7 year now and before 98, there was no sub prime lender that would touch one!

 

The six-speed doesn't really mean much for the Max since you're just driving with a 4-speed and two overdrives. Any manual with LSD and V6 qualifies and I think the CTS is it.

 

nope...5spd manual or eshift.

 

And the IS's are slower than you could ever imagine. Feels like a Max pulling a jet ski or something. I test drove IS's and G35's both before getting my Max. The Max is way more car for the money and trounces the IS across the board. The IS might handle slightly better, but...well, that's why I bought a FSTB and ordered my Addco RSB today.

As for the G35...I couldn't feel the extra 5 hp. The RWD was cool, but once again, for an extra $5K, not a lot to show for it.

-Johnny V.

 

Thats a negative brutha, Tiburon is v-6 181hp. not 255hp c'mon hyndai doesnt have technology like that..!

 

Yeah. I was like WTF ?? How did Hyundai pull 255 HP out of their ***** like that ? It's like a Kia, with 300HP !

 

hey i heard wrong what could i say, it my mistake. hey its ok atleast this way we can all think and laugh at it, im a moron for posting it without lookin into it. peace.

 

but... the hyundai is very nice... in some tests, it outhandled almost every car that they had ever tested... the chassis is very tight, and handles very nicely even for a FWD coupe... i drove the 6Sp, V6, and it was pretty fast and the handling was actually very tight
you gotta support the little guyz, or the big dogs will just push everyone around

 

S4. Plus you get 4 wheel drive.
Is X-type Jag 6-speed?

 

I would hate to see how long the hoods would have to be to shoehorn a 4.4 V8, or the 5.4 V12 inline engine!!

 

No...I don't think so.... maybe the 6th gear may be the overdrive gear but not the fifth...why would they have 2 overdrive gears? So what you are saying is that, all manual six speed sports cars (corvettes, ferraris, porsches, lambos, bugattis, and bimmers just to name a few) are just 4-speeds with 2 overdrives.

Can someone give some automotive insight to this logic?

 

Check out the ratios (found in a previous thread):

2002 6-speed ratios:

1st 3.153
2nd 1.944
3rd 1.392
4th 1.055
5th .809
6th .630
Rev. 3.002

F/D: 3.81

2000 5-speed ratios, from my 2000 ESM:

1st 3.285
2nd 1.850
3rd 1.272
4th 0.954
5th 0.795
Rev. 3.428

Final gear ratio 3.823

Fifth and sixth are overdrive gears. Actually 5th gear in the 2002 is only slightly different in ratio from the 2000/2001.

 

I agree with you that the max will kill an IS300 everytime, but only in a straigt-away. The IS handles much, much, much better than the max, even with the FSTB, and RSB. IMO the FSTB and RSB don't provide that much extra susp. support. Now when you start talking about Front and Rear Sway bars, and changing out a lot of other bushings and what not, then you might be able to hang with the IS's handling, but all in all, the max handles like a family-car should. I do love my max, and did also test drive an IS300, and I admit that the IS300 is an over-priced Carolla, but I did love the way that thing handled, was almost like it was on rales.

 

You know, technically from those #'s, the 5spd is actually a 3 speed with 2 overdives as well!

 

well...they called IS300 a big brother of AE86 (early corolla that had RWD) in Japan. but IS300 over there only runs 2.0 liter engine, where u get an I6 here. I would not say that is an over priced corolla based on its I6, RWD and well balanced body. it's like saying that G35 is an overpriced maxima.

 

Yes but the size of the car, particularily the interior...same size, definately not worth the price tag. If I wanted a car with that much room, I would just go ahead and buy the 350Z for the same amount of $$$, because at 6'3" no one could sit behind me in the IS300 anyway. When I test drove the car, and had my seat moved to a comfortable position, there was only about 4" from the back of my seat to the front of the rear seats.

Scott

 

...You should see the back seat of my buddy's Audi TT... If you push the driver's seat all the way back (only way there's room for a 6'-0" person in driver's seat) the back of the front seat TOUCHES the rear seat! Technically, its not even a rear seat, its a rear shelf!

 

That's what I was going to conclude too, but you beat me to it...

By the way, what constitutes or makes a gear ratio be considered an overdrive gear?

 

A ratio of less than 1.000.

 

Audi S4 is about the only one you'll find. Of course, the Audi has a base sticker of $38,900, while a Max SE is $26,000.

 

Yes, but over there that 2.0 liter is a Turbo Alteeza. Puts down better numbers than the IS300.

I drove the IS300 before I bought another max. I liked it. but it was too small and I thought it was a lesser car than the max. The car is just over-priced. What if Acura came out with a Civic that was called the "BFD - type C" would you go buy it just because you wanted a better "brand named" car??? He11 no you wouldn't, it is still just a Civic.

Toyota has a great product, they just need to be realistic in their car. Like Benz did with their little car, they put it in the 20's, and Lexus needs to do the same with the IS300. Then it will be more cost effective to buy. The maority of their sales are on Yuppies who just want to own a Higher breanded car and have no clue they are driving a carolla.....

 

dont forget that the is300's inline six is a detuned SUPRA ENGINE

 

A ratio of less than 1.00 and the discussion wasn't about the VQ30 5-speed. I'm just saying that using the fact that the VQ35 has a six-speed as a competitive difference doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't provide an advantage over the competition so much. More important is the gear ratios of gears 1-4 if you're comparing to other cars. Screw the overdrive gears...who needs 'em.

 

The overdrive gears were probably designed into the car so that at highway cruise speeds it'll be more fuel efficient...

You want to run the vq motor at 3000 plus rpm at highway speeds for long period of time? You'll be paying hefty fuel costs....