madmax97

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Ive heard they have 245 horses but buddy insists they still beat the max what you guys think ? thanks

ru4real

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Accord is still slower.
I read the 2003 Accord will have an available 3.2L V6 with around 225 hp.
Will a manual transmission even be offered?

2k2maxima

Anyone know when it's gonna be released??!?! Also, how much would they cost??

Thankz in advance....

Maxima06071

and it's a Honda just think of the aftermarket support.
They'll be tuned up faster than you can say" oh I wish people would take the Nissan Maxima as a serious performance 4-door sedan.."
but stock, well you know stock Hondas...

rubman

I beleive the Coupe will get a 3.2 with 240+ hp. A standard 6-speed tranny will be available. With Honda's quality control, this could be one sweet puppy. Have not heard price projections, but have also not heard of price increases over the 2002 projections. My best friend is considering a 2K3 Max, I've got him holding on to see what that sweet Coupe looks like(see autoweek.com for pics). Might have to go back to Honda if I can't swing a three series and the Accord is not too big. The 2K4 Max so far does not look like an option.

2M0A0X2

any pics?

rubman

Go to www.autoweek.com tab all of the way down to your right.

Mystical2k2SE

Several sources have confirmed a 240HP 3.0L V6.




I think it's ugly, but if you can live with the looks, it's a great car for the money. The 6-spd tranny won't be available until next year though.

Here's a link to the AutoWorld article:http://community.webshots.com/album/44150265fKlFcS

95emeraldgxe

it will be 225HP.......and yes the coupe will be a 6spd..........the maxima will be in a different league soon though. no more v-6

Mystical2k2SE

240HP, it's already been announced by several reputable automags. Don't know where you got the 225 stuff.

EZ

The new accords are totally blah And this is coming from a Maxima guy I'd get the 2k2-2k3 Max. The accords have NEVER been as sporty as a Max and even with 240, the Max has 255. Chances are, the torque rating is about 210-220. Thats whats great about the Max, the TORQUE!!

Josaredo

...how would a fully loaded Maxima GLE fair against a fully loaded 2003 Accord EXV6 in a race. Sure the Maxima has more hp and torque, but the new Accord has a 5spd automatic transmission, that's unavailable in the Maxima. Styling may still be bland, but from the pic I saw in AutoWorld Mag, the Accord looks to have interior materials as good as the VW Passat. Impressive! Also the EXV6 gets a tilt/telescoping steering wheel, Lexus-like daytime gauage illumination, dual automatic climate control, an optional voice-activated navigation system, an armrest that slids out. Although the Maxima has one that slids up. Adjustable headrest, and many other nice little features. I doubt that it'll have memory seats. A feature I LOVE in the new Maxima.

chinaonnitrous1

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240 horses...honda...WHERES THE TORQUE Numbers!!!

Mystical2k2SE

240HP, 217lb.ft of torque... typical Honda. If Comptech modifies the Accord V6 S/C to work on the new engine, it'll be a sad day for Maxima/Altima/TL-S/Mustang GT owners.

chinaonnitrous1

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hmm theyre getting better with the torque numbers i guess. still needs more tho.

Ironlord

there's nothing wrong with only 217 lb/ft of torque!!!!

Mystical2k2SE

It's still about 30 less torque than the Altima. And that peaky engine will still be mated to a craptastic Honda 4-spd auto tranny until the Coupe gets a 5-spd manual next year. The Accord is still the better car though. How does voice activated navigation sound? Or a sliding armrest?

00MAXIST

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Stevtec went on av6.com and posted some numbers using a program with hp/torque/weight/gear ratios and everything and it is supposedly pretty acurate. He has the 2003 AV6 coupe with 215 hp with a 6 speed and one with 240 hp and they are about .1 faster than a 2k 5 speed in the 1/4 mile and about .5 slower than the 2k2 6 speed. Go do a search for it on Accordv6.com its a very comprehensiv list and very in depth. He is good.

In my opinion I would bet on the 215 hp in the accord. A 240 hp accord would kill base tl and cl sales. As it is right now the new accord is looking like it will be more advanced than the base cl/tl, who is going to want to spend more money for a slower less advanced car. The accord is getting the new voice navi and a whole host of neat features. Honda knows that the accord is their car for people that want a car with some pep to get around town for a good price and quality, Honda knows that the average Av6 buyer isn't performance oriented and just wants a good value. I used to own an Av6 so I am also pretty educated on the topic being av6.com alot up until this past may.

Also those magazines that are saying 240 hp have been very misleading in their quotes by saying that a possible 240 hp and rumored 240 hp. So I would place my bet on the 215 hp v6 with maybe an upgrade to 240 after a more powerful cl/tl is introduced.

Mystical2k2SE

Ok man, whatever you say. Have fun in fantasy land.

F23A4

The J32A1 motor (base TL motor - 225hp) was rumored to be the new V6 motor for the Accord V6 for sometime. It was only recently that the 240hp 3.0L V6 was announced for the Accord V6. If we see 240hp in the 7G Accord, we have the Altima 3.5SE to thank for it.

As for Steve's program, he probably used the Cartest program. I have that program and it's pretty accurate, given what I've seen at the track.

MONTE 01&97 SE

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Stop comparing the Accord to the Max they have never really been in the same league. The Maxima has been in a category of its own since its competition the Cressida turned into the boat it is now the Avalon. Compare the Accord to the Altima its competiton!

soundmike

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5spd auto, 6spd manual.

6th gen Accord is to 5th gen Max what 7th gen Accord is to 2k2 Alt.

EZ

Nonetheless, you can't automatically say the Accord is better than the Altima. Interior, sure. Exterior Even lots of Honda fans hate the spy shots. The status quo won't change either way. If you want a FAST sporty FWD sedan, the Alty will probably spank the Accord. If you want a car that does everything well, the accord has always been the better choice.

I hear the Alty is getting a revised interior due to all the criticism...can anyone confirm?

dblrr900

Arew they trying to make the butt end look worse than the Maximas??? Gawd that is butt ugly.

jconway

had one (99 accord coupe v6) happy its gone. the new one looks liek it is keeping with the tradition of boring and ugly. and the driving? im going to make some speculations on the 03 accord based on mine. one word for ya...sedated make mine maxima.
-jc

i thought only john travolta had to be in a bubble??

madmax2k1

Found the following info on Edmunds.com


http://community.webshots.com/album/44150265fKlFcS


I will pick the Maxima over the Accord any day, who wants to drive a car that half a billion other people drive ?

MONTE 01&97 SE

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Very true you see 1 or 2 in every group of cars along with a couple of Camry's. You can definately tell that they outsell every other car virtually 3 to 5 to 1 or so.

95maxrider

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jesus that car is big!!! theyre gonna need all that power to get it moving. look to be a lot bigger than the altima.

00MAXIST

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I don't see where I am in fantasy land on this..
Honda is doing the same thing Nissan did on the 5th gen, an increase in horsepower as well as a very significant increase in weight. The new accord will no doubt be faster. Will you please tell me where I am in fantasy land, I think my post was very thought out and pretty comprehensive. Not angry about it or anything but just want to know what you think might be wrong about what I said so I can do some more research and get back to you. Go to v6accord.com and search for stevtec's post on the 03 accord, his information is very good stuff, very comprehensive and backs everything up with facts, I am just too lazy to do what he does

Mystical2k2SE

Yeah, I saw the post you're referring to a while back.

As for the fantasy land comment, I was referring to your 225HP figure for the new Accord. I have been following this issue for a while now. Honda took notice when Nissan released the new Altima. As a matter of fact, the president of Honda's North American division released a statement to the press declaring that Honda would match or surpass the 240HP Altima.

On the eve of the new Accord's release, virtually every reputable source that has gotten close to this car has confirmed that the V6 version will indeed have 240HP. Yet you still refute the info and link I posted. It's ok to rely on one's own intuition, but don't you think you're acting a little silly? You don't even have a credible source to back your claim, or your reasoning.

225HP would be an utter waste of time for Honda. It simply wouldn't be enough to entice current AV6 owners to move into a new Accord. Nor would it answer the challenge from a direct competitor (Altima).

ru4real

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That's not true. You're thinking like a performance-minded Maxima owner. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I doubt many people who consider buying Honda Accords or Toyota Camrys are concerned with horsepower as a leading factor in their decision. The newly-designed 2002 Toyota Camry has a V6 with only 192hp. As far as I know, that's not preventing folks from buying it in huge numbers. Sure, the new Altima has significantly more power than its competitors, but people who buy Hondas and Toyotas probably rank attributes like reliability, safety, comfort, features, resale value, and overall quality before horsepower.

Mystical2k2SE

No, I'm not thinking like a performance-minded Maxima owner. As I've already said before, Honda made it their goal to match or exceed the HP rating of the Altima when it came out. If you haven't been paying attention to Honda's response to the Altima, then you wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about.

As for the Camry, it's targeted audience is older and more mature than the target audience for the AV6. Most Camry owners don't bother to research other cars, and could care less about HP ratings. That's why they made the Solara to try and attract younger buyers.

The AV6 appeals to a broader audience which includes younger buyers as well. So a 25HP bump would do little to help the AV6 maintain it's competitive edge. Plus it would backfire if Honda didn't stay true to it's word that it would answer the challenge from Nissan.

SteVTEC

I was paged to this thread

Well, I was long a skeptic of a 240HP Accord V6 from a 3.0 engine, but it's in most mags now so it's probably accurate. Here's the scoop:

3.0L SOHC VTEC V6
240 HP @ 6250 rpm
215 lb-ft @ 5000rpm

Basically it looks like a scaled down Acura Type-S V6 engine MINUS the variable intake manifold so the low-end probably won't be NEARLY as good as it could be, depending on what Honda decides to do on the cam's. The cam's on the current J30A1 V6 are castrated for emissions and mileage. Hopefully Honda won't do this again...

So the engine is basically a top-end beast, sorta like the VQ30DE-K on the 00-01 Max.

The 6spd tranny is confirmed, but ONLY ON THE COUPE. Since I like 4 doors, it looks like I won't be buying a new Accord any time soon, since a manual tranny is now mandatory for me. NO AUTO EVER AGAIN as long as I am physically able to shift gears

Still no word on what the auto tranny will be. Maybe 5spd, but could still be 4spd as well. I'm not sure.

With this configuration, the 03 Accord is NOT going to outperform an 03 Maxima or an 02-03 Altima. The VQ35DE has a TON more torque, and the Nissan cars are pretty light so they will probably be able to out-accelerate the new Accord V6. But who knows. If Honda puts a 5AT in the car they might be able to make up for the torque deficit with more aggressive gearing.

I'm going to run some numbers in CarTest2000 tonight with the new AV6 specs and I'll post back here

J30A1

The new 2003 Honda Accord V6 comes with a 3.0L V6 SOHC 240HP@6250Rpm and 212TQ@5000RPM. The Sedan comes with a 5 Speed Auto and the Coupe is available with the 6-Speed manual transmission. This are the specs of the 03' Accord V6. It is available on Honda-Acura.net in the automotive rumors and news section.

rubman

Thre is NOTHING in this world bigger than an Altima. I'm sorry, I know the next gen. Max will be based on the same frame. Love my 5th gen. Max, next Max as well as Altima are frigging fuglyyyyy.

ru4real

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You missed my point. Sure, Honda is increasing horsepower as a response to the Altima, but that is not as important as you think it is to keep Honda Accord owners from defecting. That's why you're thinking like a performance-oriented driver. Accord and Camry owners put other things ahead of horsepower ratings (see my previous post). The Accord and Camry don't really need the same or more horsepower than the Altima to remain competitive. They don't now, and they still sell them in mass quantities.

You didn't disprove my statements about the Toyota Camry. The Camry is a direct competitor to the Accord. Who says it isn't? How do you know what Camry owners research? If you can dig up some statistics on Camry's targeted audience compared to Accord's, please share. Hopefully you can find data on Camry and Accord owner research habits, age-ranges, and ranking of preferred features.

maximawanabee

Exactly what I was gonna say.

Because of the Altima's 3.5 V6, it currently leads the class in power and engine size. Now that the Accord's redesign in almost out, out comes increased power for Honda also. See, if it wasn't for Nissan that improved the Altima, the Accord will still be a torque-less wonder (or is still is?)

As for Accord having all these creature amenities, I doubt it will have class leading interior appointments. The Accord pays the bills at Honda, and knowing them, the Accord will be as conservative as they will ever come. The only reason there's a nav in the TL is for luxury. Correct me if I'm wrong, Accord buyers are on this side of PLAIN and these buyers are not the ones that like change.

ru4real

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Sure, the styling is boringly conservative, but who said anything about luxury amenities? The 2002 Accord already has similar interior features to it's competition. I read that Nav will be an option in 2003. The interior has got to be better than the Altima.

Mystical2k2SE

I guess this is too complex an issue for some of you to fully understand. I'm telling you the reason why the new Accord has such a big horsepower increase, but you're not listening.

Think about what makes the Camry popular. Look at the demographics. This car is very popular among older, more mature car buyers. Generally speaking, consumers in this demographic are 30 and up, married w/kids, value longterm reliability and care little about performance.

The Accord attracts car buyers of all ages because there are three distinctive versions: sedan, coupe, and 4-banger. Consumers in this demographic value a variety of things: longterm reliability, image/looks, gas mileage, and performance to a larger degree than Camry owners. The sedan appeals to buyers looking for a family car, while the coupe appeals to younger single buyers.

Now look at the Altima. It falls under the same categories as the Accord. It appeals to wider variety of buyers, just like the Accord, and for the same reasons. There is no coupe version, but it's performance and looks/image appeals to younger buyers. This is why Honda had to ante up with the Accord across the board. I imagine the same thing will happen when the new Maxima comes out; the TL-S will have to play catch up once again in response to direct competition from Nissan.

ru4real

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Who is disagreeing with you about why Honda increased the power for the Accord? I'm not! If you read my posts again, you might see that I was merely stating that Honda does not necessarily need to match the power of the Altima to remain competitive from many consumers' points of view. They make decisions based on other factors, like the the variety of things we both mentioned.
You also make generalizations about Accord and Camry owners that I asked you to prove with real-world statistics. How do you know Camry owners don't consider other cars, or that they are generally older and married w/kids? How do you know these things? Do you work for Toyota marketing conducting customer surveys? Find some proof and we will thank you. That's all I'm asking.
Please don't try to insult our intelligence either, with what you say is a "complex issue" we can't fully understand. Someone your age should be past that kind of behavior. I'm one of your peers.